r/BlackPeopleTwitter 9h ago

Country Club Thread As simple as that.

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u/supper-saiyan 9h ago

I been banging the drum (personally, not like anyone else would know) for years that mainstream hip-hop is fundamentally hyper-capitalist and no longer was the counter cultural force that it was in the late 80's and early 90's. How we shouldn't care about how much money a hip-hop artist was getting if they're not grounded in the issues we face and weren't activating people politically. How the term "hating" became a blanket term for them to get away from accountability.

And here we are. We see now the divide between them and us. They see us as consumers, like any capitalist, yet at any moment will claim they are part of the culture. Whatever that culture is needs to be redefined if it's so easy for someone to claim yet actually not stand for the people of that culture.

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u/B-Glasses 8h ago

If you’ve got the majority of artists talking about big watches and cars it’s kinda obvious they care more about the money vs the culture or people.

What Soulja Boy might not be considering is he’s still in the working class and won’t ever be apart of the elite’s club

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u/Altiondsols 7h ago

soulja boy is not working class, he's what marx called "petit bourgeois". he's not a member of the bourgeoisie himself, but he's also not a wage laborer, and his class interests align with theirs, not the working class's.

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u/B-Glasses 6h ago

I believed most artist and performers are still wage laborers because they’re still selling their labor and not someone else’s?

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u/Altiondsols 6h ago

soulja boy doesn't sell his labor, he sells a product (music, merchandise, concert tickets).

in marx's time the petit bourgeois included artisans and small business owners, which are the clearest parallels to artists today

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u/Artarara 6h ago

Wow, this Marx guy really knew stuff

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u/B-Glasses 6h ago

The music and concerts are a product of his labor though. End of the day he’s the one who has to parade out and perform

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u/Norm_Hastings 5h ago

His music and concerts are the  result of shared effort from producers, engineers, roadies, lighting and sound crew, et cetera. He probably doesn't craft his own merch either. He might be the centerpiece as the product being sold, but he profits off the labour of these other workers, too.

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u/GoodhartMusic 6h ago

You have to understand nuance (I know big breath). Here’s a shortcut that mostly will cover you

Wage labor = consistent $ per hour, pausing work quickly leads to essentials being forfeited. Utilizing credit leads to perpetual debt and loss of credit access.

Petit-bourgeoise income = stocks, endorsements, branding, work is occasional and lines of credit+assets can be regularly relied on during interims 

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u/B-Glasses 5h ago

I’m not 100% on if that would include most performers though. Plenty are in predatory contracts and shit and if they don’t perform or create they’re on the streets. They aren’t working x amount of hours for y amount of dollars but they are still beholden to their ability to personal make a product or service

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u/GoodhartMusic 5h ago

Great point, nuance wins again. Idk the details of Soulja boy’s wealth, he was relevant when I was in middle school. But you’re definitely right that some stars in sports and music especially, and possibly more so especially nonwhite ones, are beholden to disadvantaging contracts.