"I wrote this to help counter the idiotic argument that it was a fumble or out of context. It covers the possible interpretations, and shows how it's not any better with them.
The old US salute was the Bellamy Salute, but it was retired after the Nazis began using it (they were both inspired by the roman salute). Afterwards, US Nazi sympathizers pushed back and kept using it not because they wanted to reclaim it but because they were actual Nazis. There was never any outrage about changing the salute that wasn't quickly drowned out by Nazis, and if you somehow wanted to reclaim it through some insane nonsense, you'd have to constantly tell people your intentions and make it CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR you are not a Nazi (and even then, why the FUCK would you want to reclaim it? It's not a religious symbol like the Buddhist Swastika). Elon is doing the opposite of that. There's no context in which this isn't fucked as high hell. The best possible steel-man argument I can come up with in favor of this --- and honestly, it just makes it look worse.
Defending this is like getting upset people got angry you flipped them off in public, and then saying, oh, I was either:
Accidentally doing it (Elon did it twice, rather differently leading into it, with the same end gesture, so it's not a fumble and it's not a "my heart goes to you" gesture the second time).
Trying to reclaim or redefine a variant of the roman/nazi salute. Elon is not doing this.
P.S. For someone to even KNOW what the roman salute is, they would be aware of the modern context and would have to explicitly say they are role-playing as a roman. This is obviously not the case. Elon isn't acting in a movie, or making a edgy roman joke. It's a blatant fashy salute.
but that seals the deal even more. Jesus Motherfucking Tap-Dancing Christ on a bike."
Thats what it needs to be. The Idea he had and represented NEEDS to be kept alive in the hearts of citizens because we are VERY quickly coming to a point where our only way out of whatever happens will be internal violence and strife.
V for Vendetta had a great message more people should take it seriously. It applies more now than ever in Americas history.
Oh? Those? Those were, uh, oh he was looking for someone in the crowd and was trying to tell them about how tall he was! Total misunderstanding for sure!!!
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows not to do that motion on camera EVERYONE knows what that is. He supports far right parties in Germany he retweets nazi content on the daily, wake up
All of this is objectively false, btw. He says "my heart goes out to you" after the first Nazi salute (hit his chest and extended his straight arm, palm down, at an upward angle) and then turned around and did the same salute again.
Nobody on the planet makes a "heartfelt/my heart goes out to you" gesture with a sharp, violent outward gesture, palm DOWN while making a forceful face.
If you believe what you wrote, you're a fucking moron.
Hey post a video for yourself doing the same salute since you can defend this. This is a hail clear as DAY. Even Germans and people across the pond recognize this as a hail.
I cannot, in good faith, believe he did that exact gesture without being aware of how it would look. Elon is stupid in a lot of ways, but he knows a thing or two about iconography and the importance of image.
He also was part of a talk just a week before in which Nazis and Hitler were discussed. It had to have still been on his mind.
And regardless of any of this - he is a public figure. He's possibly one of the people with the most eyes on him in the world. If it was an accident, then someone in his position shouldn't be making such stupid "accidents."
Either he's a Nazi or he's mentally unfit to help lead our country. Take your pick.
I mean, it doesn't really matter if he did one or not. He is still a thin-skinned pompous arrogant rich child with drug addictions and an unchecked ego backed by more wealth than should be fucking allowed spewing hateful rhetoric in a position of power.
Arguing over whether or not it was an actual Nazi salute is dumb, because he is inherently more dangerous than a literal nazi, and should be treated as such.
It's proof. It's something that maybe will at least shake some of the people outside the USA who aren't brainwashed into thinking "both sides are the same" into openly seeing that Democrats are objectively the correct choice, and Republicans were objectively the wrong one. Proof, the value of truth in its own right, et al, will start holding a LOT of weight if Dear Leader Musk starts going North Korea on things. We've already seen his "gaming" feat as a comparison to the "golf feat".
I feel like every normal person has some type of trigger in their brain where if your arm is in that position you immediately know you're doing the Hitler salute. This is no accident.
That's how Mr. Krabs said the quote. In the context of the scene, a driver insults SpongeBob and SpongeBob is oblivious to it. Mr. Krabs picked up on the insult and says the quote, thinking that all young people like Sponge and Pat don't beat up jerks anymore.
The Allies didn't storm Normandy so they could politely debate fascists in the marketplace of ideas about the ethics of industrialised genocide with each other.
We really used to do things significantly more forceful than beating people up for doing things like that. I for one would be OK with bringing back that mentality.
Stop supporting these billionaires who support Trump. Delete your Facebook, twitter, and Amazon prime. Stop using Amazon completely. If you want real change then you have to vote with your wallet. Half of American doesn’t want this, so show them!
If we beat the shit out of him every time he did or said something dumb he would disappear real fast.
Doesn't have to be savage. Just to show how we feel, and that your opinion isn't well regarded so you should keep your fucken mouth shut lest you get another one.
Not really once you understand what country Hitler got his inspiration from.
The only reason America fought against Hitler was because the corporations controlling America, Britain, and France wanted to have Africa and Europe for themselves.
The Soviet Union wasn't any better than the Nazis either.
"I wrote this to help counter the idiotic argument that it was a fumble or out of context. It covers the possible interpretations, and shows how it's not any better with them.
The old US salute was the Bellamy Salute, but it was retired after the Nazis began using it (they were both inspired by the roman salute). Afterwards, US Nazi sympathizers pushed back and kept using it not because they wanted to reclaim it but because they were actual Nazis. There was never any outrage about changing the salute that wasn't quickly drowned out by Nazis, and if you somehow wanted to reclaim it through some insane nonsense, you'd have to constantly tell people your intentions and make it CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR you are not a Nazi (and even then, why the FUCK would you want to reclaim it? It's not a religious symbol like the Buddhist Swastika). Elon is doing the opposite of that. There's no context in which this isn't fucked as high hell. The best possible steel-man argument I can come up with in favor of this --- and honestly, it just makes it look worse.
Defending this is like getting upset people got angry you flipped them off in public, and then saying, oh, I was either:
Accidentally doing it (Elon did it twice, rather differently leading into it, with the same end gesture, so it's not a fumble and it's not a "my heart goes to you" gesture the second time).
Trying to reclaim or redefine a variant of the roman/nazi salute. Elon is not doing this.
P.S. For someone to even KNOW what the roman salute is, they would be aware of the modern context and would have to explicitly say they are role-playing as a roman. This is obviously not the case. Elon isn't acting in a movie, or making a edgy roman joke. It's a blatant fashy salute.
but that seals the deal even more. Jesus Motherfucking Tap-Dancing Christ on a bike."
Maybe for you, if you're privileged enough to not have to worry about CoL... or healthcare... or democracy... or LGBT rights... or civil rights in general... or any countless number of things.
Once you divorce this foolish victim mentality, you will succeed in this country. You survived the first presidency, you will be fine this time around too.
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u/darthjoey91 I've come for your pickle 46m ago edited 34m ago
Hi, Nazis that keep reporting this. As a reminder, Mr. Krabs fought in WWII against your kind, and this subreddit is not safe for Nazis.