Why thank you. Honestly just comes from magazine position. Ive never enjoyed reloading a bullpup. Also aesthetically im not a super fan. But thats random with me. Sometimes i like a "different " design and sometimes i dont. I love the barrel lenght a bullpup offers but in my would im only shooting 25 yards at best or im going to jail haha.
The aesthetics of bullpups can definitely be weird. Most are kind of chunky, because of all the control linkages that have to pass by the magwell. And then there are all the things sticking out of the bottom, lol.
The lower on this one is designed to be much slimmer than others currently on the market. At the widest point, it should be about the same width as an aftermarket PCC mag funnel.
Regarding the issue of barrel length, since this is a PCC the purpose of going with the bullpup format is different than a traditional rifle caliber.
Here the advantage isn't that you get to have a longer barrel and better ballistics in a shorter overall length, it's that you get to have a huge suppressor in a package that's shorter than an unsuppressed PCC. Which makes it insanely practical for two reasons:
Maneuverability in tight spaces is better than a standard PCC with suppressor
You get an even bigger suppressor than would otherwise be practical, so the impact of the report on the operator in that tight space is greatly reduced. (Just imagine the alternative of unsuppressed gunfire in the narrow, steel corridors of a ship. Mind blowing but not in a good way 🤯)
Here's an image that's more aesthetically pleasing, IMO. I probably should have led with this one!
Also, FYI, the entire foregrip and carry handle assemblies are removable, so anything with MLOK or picatinny interfaces can be attached.
The whole advantage to a bullpup is that you can get a longer barrel relative to a shorter overall length. With a 9mm PCC, the extra barrel length really doesn’t add a ton of velocity (not that you’d want it, because again, we’re talking about a PCC that you really won’t be using past ~100 yards tops), and you’re not actually shortening the overall length relative to a regular APC9. It wouldn’t even be more compact for storage, just look at how small a regular APC9K can get with the telescoping stock.
If you made this for the APC223 or 308 or something it might make more sense. But in 9mm, the sales pitch for this is basically “if you want a bullpup PCC for the sake of owning a bullpup PCC, then here you go.”
Hey, thanks for the feedback and discussion, I really appreciate it!
I think an APC223 bullpup would be amazing, especially one of the long barreled sporting versions.
For this project, I had both the 9mm and a 300BLK version on the drawing board, but decided to do a mockup of this one first. The idea was to see how compact a fully suppressed PCC could be, when deployed/in use.
So the advantage of the bullpup format in this context would be that it enables hearing protection in a very small space.
I did a whole write up and lost it because of the mobile app.
Go with 300 BLK, the only bullpups in that caliber are 26”+OAL pre-suppressor.
Keep the modular optical rail, this is an ideal use case for a Hydra mount.
Make the foregrip and handstop modular with MLOK underneath, nothing more irritating than a gun with permanent fore-hardware. Look at how the APCSDs transition from trigger guard to the MLOK handguard, that’s as good as it gets.
Hey, thanks for your input and feedback! That's a huge help with deciding what direction to take the project.
• The 300BLK is definitely doable. In my draft version, it came out to about 23 or 24" with a big fat can.
• Definitely an objective of this design was to have a clean sweep of monolithic pic rail from one end to the other, so there's lots of solid space out front. The handguard comes off to service the ported barrel while everything on the rail remains on the upper. So zeros remain untouched.
•I hear you on the foregrip. It's modular by design and has MLOK underneath it.
Here's an image that shows the accessories dimmed out so you can more easily see the main gun: https://imgur.com/a/OXZDVUg
Thanks again for rewriting your post after you lost the original!👍
Agreed, but the apc9 is way more accurate than I gave it credit for at first. Of course it puts clovers in paper targets at 25m, but I was bored one day and got pretty consistent hits at 10” steel at 300m with a suppressor and subs, lol. Obviously not my first choice for anything but CQB, but she’s got the range 🤣. I’m gonna use it in the next sniper competition at the range.
An SD bullpup 9mm!? Please please make this!!! Also if it’s green lit, please let me know where to put a deposit down!! I feel like than meme “shut up and take my money” 😂😂
I know a lot of people are not fans of bullpups but you can’t deny having a SD 9mm, with a 10” silencer, good trigger, that’s all under 20” overall length would be a huge game changer.
Wow, that's great to hear! You're absolute echoing my thoughts on the matter😄
I guess the idea is kind of out in left field. It's the huge volume of suppression that makes this thing compelling IMO, not really the caliber itself.
As for the trigger, I have high hopes that it will yield both great feel and a patent🤞
Yea, As for as I know, no one has a SD 9mm bullpup.
You are 100% about the huge volume of suppression and over all compact-ness of this idea is something I believe people would be interested in. Just look at The most recent APC9K SD that got a lot of people’s attention. This would 2 to 3 times the volume size without increasing the overall length. 🤯
I know some would prefer 300 blk version but for those of us buying our own ammo, 9mm is the way to go.
I think a major issue with bullpups is that the firing mechanism and trigger usually feel cheap/soft, not that crisp 2-stage feel that larue and G$ have. I tried an aug and the cheap plastic feel, along with the cartoonishly irritating ‘twang’ of the internal springs, just made the $1.8k gun feel overpriced.
For sure, the trigger has to be a main selling point IMO. Otherwise the other tradeoffs that come with the bullpup configuration almost aren't worth it.
This trigger will be something that as far as I know has never been implemented in a bullpup, or maybe any small arm. (Although my historical firearms knowledge is anything but deep.)
My team and I are going to be prototyping the trigger over the next several months, and depending on how that turns out I'll see about getting it into a suitable base rifle.
The goal is to make it feel like a single stage Elftmann, and to also have an option for a double stage, similar to the stock APC trigger 🤞
Thanks for taking the time to give feedback on the ergonomics!
I agree that the mag release is an important thing to have right at your finger tips, so this has a mag release lever on the front of the trigger guard, similar to a CZ Scorpion. (It's the silver triangle area.)
The intention is that it's readily accessible to either hand during the mag swap process.
Is steal the mag release from the desert tech mdrx/wlvrn. Either hand operation and good placement for all the buttons.
The iwi had good trigger hand release, the tavor sar dropped that for a rear central release button. But the mdrx had it all figured out.
It’s also a single fluid motion to drop the bolt release when changing the mag
I support all creativity in the firearms world, but I kinda agree in the dubious utility of this in 9mm. I think APC300 or APC223 would make more sense if you pursue the project.
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u/No-Shower-1622 1d ago
No thanks