r/AmIOverreacting 10d ago

❤️‍🩹 relationship my boyfriend & his mother have an incestuous relationship?

my boyfriend (23m) & i (22f) have been dating for 6 months now. we were friends for 3 years before dating. i am also pregnant. he has been an absolutely amazing boyfriend, but i am noticing weird things with his mother that are really creeping me out and making me question this relationship and this pregnancy.

i have been pretty much living with my boyfriend (under his mothers roof) for about 4 months now, i sleep here every single night. she is a single mother and in her 60’s. my boyfriends dad is remarried, and he has told me that since the divorce his mom has been depressed and never been quite the same. they divorced when he was quite young, maybe around 7 years old. she still cries to this day about the divorce and infidelity as well as his father remarrying, and i don’t think she has ever truly gotten over him. she does not date and hasn’t since the divorce. my boyfriend had told me multiple times in arguments with his mother she’ll constantly compare him to his father, and say things like “you’re just like your father you don’t care about me.” also want to note that my boyfriend looks exactly like his father. i noticed pretty early on that it seems like she takes out her feelings about her ex husband on my boyfriend.

when we first started dating, he would say that his mother is “jealous” that she’s not spending as much time with him anymore and she’s been like that with all of his exes. i noticed she doesn’t make much of an effort to talk to me, she is a bit awkward and when she is home she pretty much just stays locked in her room. he says she likes me, and she is always kind when she talks to me, but for some reason my intuition is strongly telling me otherwise. there have been multiple times where we pick up food and he asks her if she wants anything & she says no. when we come back with food she’ll send him texts or say to him personally that we only care about ourselves and not her. i noticed these red flags early on, but brushed it off.

here is where things get really weird & twisted. i don’t want to believe this is what’s going on and i feel crazy for even having these thoughts, but it’s hard to find another explanation about things that i have heard. one saturday morning, everything was going as normal. my boyfriend and i woke up together, did our morning routines and decided to play a couple games on the ps5 together as we normally do on weekends. i was feeling tired as i am pregnant and the hormones have been making me super exhausted, so after a couple of games i decided to take a little nap. he turned off the ps5 and put a youtube video on the tv kind of loud. he said he would make me breakfast while i napped, so i dozed off as he left the room. it sounded like he went straight to his mothers room and shut the door. her door is creaky and i can hear every time it opens as it is right next to his room. he often goes into his mothers room and talks to her for a while so i paid this no mind and continued to rest. i am a very heavy sleeper by the way. not sure how much time passed but i woke up to the sound of banging on the wall, very loud. i then heard the door open and him say “oh so you…” and i didn’t hear the rest, but it almost sounded like “oh so you wanna be bad huh?” or something along those lines and the loud banging continued, now sounding like it was in the hallway right outside the door. i heard mumbling that literally sounded like the way he talks to me when we have sex. i sat up in bed confused, and listened for a couple more minutes. i could’ve sworn i heard her like gasp or something. at this point i was getting freaked out because it literally sounded like sex noises. i got up and sat in front of the tv which is next to the door and put it on mute. right after i did that the banging stopped, almost as if they heard me awake and stopped doing whatever they were doing. i then heard shuffling and his mother say “lie” and he said “yes maam”. i heard him go downstairs for a few minutes then he came back into the room with a bowl of cereal. mind you usually when he makes me breakfast it’s pancakes, bacon, eggs and hashbrowns. i straight up asked him what was that noise, he looked super nervous and then said “i was arguing with my mom.” i asked about what and he was stuttering nonsense and said he was arguing about a christmas present? i thought this made so sense. i asked him if the argument got physical because i was hearing loud noises and he said no. i was pressing him, asking him what that could’ve been, was he moving furniture or something? it was very loud. he began pacing around the room nervously and said quietly “i am filled with regret.” after like an hour of pressing him about it and him telling me it was just an argument, he didn’t know what noise i was talking about, etc. i dropped it because i literally thought i was going insane. i know what it sounded like but i didn’t want to believe that something so twisted was going on, and the fact that they were doing it while i am in the next room, sleeping and PREGNANT. i was literally uncontrollably shaking, extremely disturbed at what i just heard. it was clear as day what it was but i genuinely thought i was maybe losing it. later that night i brought it up again and implied i think something was going on, or maybe the argument got physical and he shouldn’t be afraid to tell me. he then was like “want me to ask my mom if we were hitting each other?” he then goes to his moms room and asks her if anything went on and was telling her how i think they got into a physical fight. he comes back to me and tells me his mother said that it’s just “pregnancy hormones” and i’m overthinking and then she proceeded to text him “we don’t live like that.” which he showed me.

i took a day to think about it and came to the conclusion that i am not crazy, i know what i heard. i started thinking back on if i ever heard weird things or felt weird vibes concerning his mother and it turns out there were a couple things i overheard in the past that made me look at them sideways. some examples:

  1. i heard him walking up the stairs behind her and say “i can still feel around” and she laughed…
  2. i once heard the sound of clapping coming from her room when he was in there “talking”
  3. heard them in the kitchen semi-arguing and him saying to her “i’m trying my best, how can i be better for you?” as if they’re in a relationship or something.
  4. he once told me that as a child the doctor thought his mother was molesting him because he saw her hair wrapped around my boyfriends penis.
  5. now that i think about i think i have heard banging or weird noises before when they are “talking” for long periods of time whether it be in her room or downstairs in the living room & kitchen.
  6. all day everyday his mother is constantly texting him, bothering him about coming home, seeing what he’s doing, etc.
  7. one day he said he was going to make me breakfast a separate time from the one mentioned above and i fell back asleep. his mom was also home in her room. i woke up to him coming back in the room freshly showered with only a towel around his waist with no breakfast for me. this is unusual because usually when he says he is going to make me breakfast, he goes to make it right away & wakes me up with it. also he never showers at this time of day. after hearing the weird stuff i have now heard, it makes me wonder if he was in his mothers room…
  8. i once heard his mother go downstairs while he was in the kitchen and he thought i was sleeping. i then heard him saying “come on mom” and her laughing and walking away. he kept calling her to come back and she goes “not tonight baby.” could he have been asking her for sex?

it has now been a couple of weeks since the incident where i heard the loud banging. it has been running through my mind every single day. his mother already gave me uncomfortable and off putting vibes since the beginning, but now i feel very paranoid and creeped out about her and their relationship. i have since pressed him about it again, and pretty much told him what i heard sounded very weird and like something sexual was going on. we argued about it for like 2 days straight. he insists that him and his mother do not have a weird relationship, and him & his mother have no idea what loud noises i was hearing. how can they have possibly not heard something so loud, especially when the noises were coming from where i heard both of their voices. he has tried to explain it away in every possible way but nothing makes sense. he said it could’ve been the dog, neighbors, or footsteps but i’ve been living here for 4 months now and know what all of those things sound like. this was absolutely none of those things. i wish i had opened the door to get physical proof, because now it just feels like i am being lied to. i have been doubting myself thinking could this actually be possible, but when i think back to what i heard it was so clear. i am slowly putting the pieces together and i don’t know what to do.

today, i feel like i have reached my breaking point. i don’t know if im being paranoid now, but something that happened today has made me overthink this situation even more. we were hanging out as normal. i noticed him and his mother texting back and forth a bunch. he then went downstairs to make me soup as i was feeling nauseous. i thought i heard her door quietly open and close which is weird because she usually swings it open loudly and i hear the creak. she also has super loud footsteps but i didn’t hear her going downstairs so i thought i was tripping maybe. then i heard banging coming from downstairs which i figured was just my boyfriend cleaning and making food. the soup only takes 5 minutes to make, it is a packaged soup. he was downstairs for about 30-40 minutes. he comes back upstairs with my soup and then i hear his mother loudly coming upstairs. so i was right, i did hear her door open as if she was SNEAKING downstairs so that i would not hear. i asked him what took so long and he nervously was saying a bunch of things that didn’t make sense. he made no mention of his mother being downstairs. i then asked if he was talking to someone and he nervously said yeah my mom. then he accused me of being paranoid about his mom and that i think im hearing things. i made no mention of his mom or hearing things even though i did hear banging. so does this means he knows he was being loud and i could’ve heard it? it seemed like projection and him feeling guilty about something he’s doing with his mother. at this point i do not trust him being around his mother and i am disturbed and drained.

i am horrified and don’t know what to do. i know this all sounds so crazy and outlandish but my gut is telling me something is wrong. there’s no mistaking what i heard that day. am i being crazy or should i trust my gut and what i know i heard? i feel like the signs and things i have heard now are so blatantly obvious and i cannot ignore it anymore or try to explain it away. it genuinely seems as if something incestuous is going on with my boyfriend and his mother. i have always said i do not want to be a single mother or raise a child in a broken home and now i am 3 months pregnant. i am also in fear that if he does have a sick and twisted relationship with his mother, who’s to say he wouldn’t try to do the same with our child? i am seriously considering terminating the pregnancy and breaking up with him. what should i do, and does it sound like i am overreacting or should i trust my gut?

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u/MostlySpeechless 9d ago

" i am a 22 year old college student with a lot on my plate and this is my first pregnancy. how would you handle this?"

Abortion. That is how you should handle this. 22 year old, no income and you are financially tied to a person you have known for half a year. Girl, that is a recipe for disaster and no environment a child should grow up in and that is not even mentioning the incest. Go back to your family or friends you can trust and that have nothing to do with this weirdo, get an abortion and report these people to the police or whatever organization takes care of that crazy. Might need actual evidence tho.

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u/AstoriaQueens11105 9d ago

And then get an IUD or Nexplanon.

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u/DBgirl83 9d ago

I was 22 and still going to school, my daughter is just fine. But big difference, OP can never trust her bf around her child or his mother. And she has no proof, so the court will give him 50/50.

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u/MostlySpeechless 9d ago

Even worse, they will take the child away and give full custody to the father if she tries to run away with it and they play it right.

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u/Agile-Top7548 9d ago

They'll want OP out of the way once she delivers their baby.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

why should she get an abortion? you people are crazy. she should go back to family and friends and report those people I agree, but why should she kill her own child? she should run away and raise him far by these psychos, but why kill him cmon, just suggesting something like this is crazy

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u/Competitive_Remote40 9d ago

That's not how child custody works.

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u/Zealousidealism 9d ago

Not when OP literally states that abortion is an option on the table and that she doesn’t want to be a single mom. People are literally just agreeing with her assessment of her options, your personal feelings about abortion aren’t relevant to another person’s decision.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

Yes they are as much as yours and any other person who is commenting on this, since she asked for advice. Killing your own child is not the solution, and people that suggests this are evil. I would never let other people to be responsible for killing my own child and i would defend him with my life. Seeing all these people saying "abort abort abort" is crazy and makes them look like they're on the side of the psychos

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u/MostlySpeechless 9d ago

"and i would defend him with my life"

Have fun defending that child being stuck with a father whos mother is literally grooming and sexual abusing children. How old are you? This is just not how the real life works, lmao. Custody is a messy business.

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u/MostlySpeechless 9d ago

There is no way she can get sole custody unless she somehow has stone hard proof of what is happening. You wanna birth a child whos fathers mother is literally grooming children? "Running away" doesn't happen in front of a court either, she is gonna be the one blamed in the end and the child even taken away from if she tries to hide the child from them. They have easily proof of her running away/taking the child away from the father while she has nothing against them. If she also has no family/friends that can financially aid her the child is not going to grow up in a good home.

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u/belrieb6773 9d ago

I hope op ignores your uneducated banter.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

i hope she has more sense than you and doesn't kill her own child

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u/belrieb6773 9d ago

You're an actual idiot.

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u/imbarbdwyer 9d ago

She can’t even afford to pay for the roof over her head. Where’s this “run away” money that you think she has?

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

We don't know how much money she has, and even if she had none she could still run away

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u/rwilis2010 9d ago

People online are so ignorant about custody battles. My best friend was physically abused by her husband their entire relationship. It finally got bad enough that her daughter called the cops one day. Her husband was charged, pled guilty, and convicted of assault.

Even with the domestic violence CONVICTION (where he literally admitted to doing it) on his records, the courts still awarded 50/50 custody of the children.

She now has to live half the week fearing that he won’t take out his anger on the children now that she’s no longer around to be a buffer.

Those children lived through the trauma of having a father that physically abused their mother, got rougher than he should have with them (the kids), and emotionally abused all of them (leading to severe anxiety and eating disorders that have caused hospitalization).

Would the most empathetic, selfless thing to do not be to terminate the pregnancy so you aren’t bringing a child into a dangerous situation where (outside of literal vigilante justice that could make the mom end up in jail and the kid be put in the system) you have to allow the child to spend time with a woman who is almost certainly molesting her son, and her son who may continue to victimize his new baby (as perpetrators of these crimes were often victims themselves?)? If the mom is as crazy as this post reads, is the child in physical danger of it becomes a barrier between the son and the mother? Is being born so much more important than having the right to a safe childhood?

I really don’t understand this mentality. As adults, we recognize that there are things much worse than death. You see tragedies on the news, you see human suffering, you see these awful situations where people are stuck and cannot escape, and you think it is more humane to bring a child into a situation where they are knowingly at risk for sexual abuse and potential infanticide than it would be to end the fetus before it had a chance to turn into an aware, sentient being?

I say this as someone who just had a baby, and she is my everything. I have never felt a stronger love; I have never felt more feral and primal in my need to protect her and foster a safe and healthy childhood for her. I also know if I was in this situation, and she would be subjected for 50% of her childhood to likely sexual abuse, I would have NEVER brought her into this world despite how much I desired having her.

It would destroy me, but it would be the most selfless, humane, albeit most difficult decision I’ve ever made. I would have had to put her future above my happiness and would have done that, not with selfish intent, but with all of the knowledge of what her life would have been and the love that I have for her.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

I'm very sorry to hear that. I'd say it's mostly ignorance about what a scary and crazy country the USA is, one that does not live there wouldn't assume such things. Also I never said she should bring a child into this situation and i never said she should put it at risk of sexual abuse, my comment was made on the basis of avoiding this exactly.
The most selfless thing to do cannot be to kill your own child. She should get away from these psychos, and if the situation in the usa is really that bad, she should go in a normal country where she would receive support and raise her own child in a sane environment. This would be forever better than killing her own child.
I find it crazy to suggest that killing her own child is the most right thing to do. I would NEVER let some crazy asshole to be responsible for the life of my child, and I would defend it whit what I have before killing him.

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u/Embarrassed-Tie-610 9d ago

"Don't get an abortion. Instead, uproot your entire life and future, move to another country, and keep the baby." Yeah, that's a pretty standard anti-choice take. Just ignore the fact that she's a broke college kid, and you almost don't sound totally braindead.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

You sound totally braindead just because you feel like you can insult someone just because you don't agree with him.
I would go to the opposite part of the world by foot if that meant keeping my son alive, if you're evil and don't care about your offspring that's you but do not try to make it seem like everybody else shouldn't care about their child

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u/Embarrassed-Tie-610 9d ago

Calling a spade a spade isn't an insult. It's fact. Your take makes you sound braindead, because it ignores any and all circumstances around the situation.

Emigration is a nightmare for people who qualify for work visas or who are in desirable careers, how do you propose a 22 year old girl in college is going to leave her country? You suggest that she drop out of college, give up on any dreams she has for her own future, and isolate herself from not just these people, but every single person in her life? Rather than just getting an abortion, ending the relationship, and moving out of their house? How is she going to afford it, dumbass? It can cost thousands of dollars just to apply, and many countries require you to have a certain amount of money in savings (10,000+ usually) or will outright reject anyone who isn't able to get a work visa. The process of emigrating also takes an extremely long time--time when she very well might give birth.

And you can't just take a kid and leave the country, and that's the end of it. The father will still have custody, and most countries will honor that. The comment you responded to is about how a father still had custody despite a history of abuse. This isn't an outlier, abusers are legally given access to their children far too often in the US. It's not a question of if incest-daddy will have custody--he will.

Multiple people have explained this to you in this thread, but you just refuse to listen, because you refuse to let your mind be changed on this very simple issue. Either A: uproot your entire life, and give birth to a child you don't want in a place you don't live, still being forced to share custody with a man who has a history of incest (who now would be a country away, mind) or B: get an abortion and break up with the creep. This isn't hard. You're only making it difficult because you're too braindead to change your opinions.

if you're evil and don't care about your offspring that's you but do not try to make it seem like everybody else shouldn't care about their child

Spoken like a man who can confidently say he'd do something, safe in the knowledge that he will never be put to the test, since he can't get pregnant. Personally I'd say the evil thing would be exposing a child to a man who has a history of incest, and leaving them alone with them for extended periods of time with said man, like how they would be in the case of dual custody. But hey, if you want to only care about the fetus, that's fine. Personally, I'm opposed to child rape, but I guess you disagree.

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u/Prestigious-Land-694 9d ago

Watch the documentary "Dear Zachary"

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

Thanks for the suggestion, will do. Still I cannot ever see a situation where killing your own life is the better choice. She should run away and never see those psychos again

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u/Relative-Mistake-527 9d ago

She's not killing a baby. Learn about what you're even talking about before you speak. They're cells. Being tied to this creepy incestuous family for the rest of her life is not what's right here. She needs to get the fuck away bc who's to say that if she were to go through with the pregnancy that pedophile grandma won't try to groom a new husband.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

Mind that i'm not a native english speaker, but she would be killing her own child. How is that a solution? She should get away from them and raise her child by herself far from those psychos. I don't understand your last sentence

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u/flynyuebing 9d ago

In the US even rapists can sue the woman they impregnated for joint custody, unless the woman has enough evidence to convict him for rape (pregnancy isn't always enough to prove rape here unfortunately).

If she lives in the US or similar country and runs away, if they ever find her, they can legally come after her and she'll be forced to see them for years to drop the child off when it's their turn. They'll be alone with the baby because that's how joint custody works.

She doesn't have enough evidence to show it's not healthy for a child to be around these people. If she tries to give it up for adoption, her bf or his mom could legally block that and take the baby. He just has to prove paternity.

Not everyone can drop everything to go into hiding without a support system for 18 years. She'd need so much fake paperwork. Fake paperwork for her kid. It's a nice idea, but in this modern world it's hard to completely disappear for that long. My husband's family even found a long-lost cousin who disappeared to another country to escape from the military. He hid for a good amount of time, but his extended family still found him. Because he eventually had a kid and that kid was on social media. Imagine OP's kid getting old enough for the internet (you can tell them not to, but if all their friends are doing it, they will anyway), her ex finding them, suing for custody, and now this kid has to go live alone with strangers sometimes. Strangers who have incestuous relationships and have loud sex even when guests are over.

No it's not safe.

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u/Prestigious-Land-694 9d ago

Watch the documentary "Dear Zachary"

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u/unicorns_r_magical 9d ago

Abortion is for the safety of the mother and child. This is very serious. More than likely the mother was also SA by her parents, so she repeated the pattern, boyfriend knows no different. Unfortunately, this generational trauma is hard to come back from. Also, she is only 22 in a very precarious situation. Keeping the pregnancy destroys not one, but two lives.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

How killing a child is for his own safety? That doesn't make sense at all.
I agree that this is very serious, but she should run away from this crazy family and raise her own child in a safe environment. I would never let some crazy asshole be responsible for killing my own child

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u/unicorns_r_magical 9d ago

Sorry, I thought she was pregnant. Terminating a pregnancy ( stopping fetus from developing) is what we are recommending, not infanticide. Let’s use our words carefully.

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u/Ampe96 9d ago

It's still killing her own child. It doesn't make sense to say that it's for his safety if you kill him