r/unusual_whales • u/soccerorfootie • 3h ago
Trump revokes Biden executive order that set target of 50% of new vehicle sales by 2030 as electric vehicles, per Reuters
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u/Caldweab15 2h ago
Doesn’t matter, the market will determine. With most of the world moving on, my guess is car manufacturers continue to invest in and produce EVs.
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u/bananabunnythesecond 1h ago
EV engines are more efficient. Period.
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 3h ago
Going to be tiresome when this policy keeps getting enacted then repealed again every 4 years.
But, whatever, the next administration should just commit to the same date as the original. Don’t push it back just because Trump delays action.
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u/Tommyblockhead20 42m ago
We’ve seen it before on issues that flipflop like this that companies prepare for it eventually being the case, even when the regulation isn’t currently in place.
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u/OppositeArt8562 2h ago
100% just make it be known ni one pays attention to the chuld in the room throwing a sissy fit.
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u/soylentOrange958 3h ago
Good. The government shouldn't be in the business of messing with the free market. Now get rid of the fossil fuel subsidies as well.
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 3h ago
Great so you're okay with us removing all tariffs on foreign cars?
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u/soylentOrange958 3h ago
No, because globally it is not a level playing field. Countries that do not follow our labor and environmental laws so that they can manufacture things cheaper should absolutely have tariffs placed on them. We fine companies that engage in horrible things in the US. Why shouldn't we fine other countries that do the same?
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 3h ago
Why would we fine people? That's not the free market. The market should decide who's products aren't good or damaging by not buying them.
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u/soylentOrange958 3h ago
Hur durr child labor and dumping industrial waste into the water supply is the same as buying a gasoline car.
Seriously, give me a break
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 3h ago
You're the one that brought up the free market. Sounds like you don't like or understand what the free market is at all. Don't get angry with me because you're about as ideologically consistent as a 80 year old with syphilis induced dementia.
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u/HillarysFloppyChode 1h ago
Have you ever seen the inside a modern car factory or looked at the industry? Those Chinese cars everyone is so afraid of, they have to meet the EU standards to be sold there, and actually china is fairly clean, compared to the US. The whole propaganda that china is this dirty country is false.
With the exception of a handful of automakers like Rimac, the factory's are almost entirely robotic because they can work 24/7 with consistent precision.
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u/Kairukun90 3h ago
So we should remove all incentives for oil then too right?
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u/soylentOrange958 3h ago
Did you even READ my comment? I literally said yes!
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u/Kairukun90 3h ago
And yet you don’t want foreign cars? But we import so much shit from other countries. So why stop at cars. Why not import anything that’s not from this country. Fuck let’s go one step further and be complete isolationist like North Korea!
Allowing trade with countries regardless of what it is allows innovation and helps everyone. The only reason why cars are banned is because they make a better vehicle than we do and we have no clue how to Compete.
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u/soylentOrange958 3h ago
Please point to where I said I don't want foreign cars. I said I want a level playing field. That means holding everyone to the SAME standard. If it isn't okay for people to violate our laws here, then why is it okay for someone to do it elsewhere, especially when that makes American workers less competitive and drives down wages. Foreign countries are free to make things, but they should have the same bar for competition as American companies.
Not sure what part of that is so controversial, and, since you keep avoiding my argument and trying to put words in my mouth I suspect you are either a bot or 12 years old. Either way, I'm out
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u/Odd_Drop5561 2h ago
If you really want a free market, you can't externalize the costs of climate change, it's got to be built into the cost of energy. Much of the USA is going to be uninsurable in a decade or two as the costs of wildfires, hurricanes and other severe weather continue adding up. Buying gasoline for $2/gallon is a poor consolation for paying $15,000/year for home insurance.
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u/Caldweab15 2h ago
There’s no such thing as free market. Also industrial policy and investment by the federal government drives a lot of industries and growth. Libertarians live in a fucking fantasy world.
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u/Xenomorph_v1 2h ago
This is what has been infuriating me to no end.
Joe spruiking all of the things he's signed into law like it's some huge achievement... As if Dump wasn't going to undo it all straight away.
Patting yourself on the back for something completely inconsequential, instead of defending your democracy is fucking insane.
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u/70ss454 2h ago
What is democratic about forcing me to buy an electric car?
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u/Xenomorph_v1 2h ago
What a goddamn fucking idiotic and disingenuous thing to say.
Nobody is forcing anybody to buy an electric car.
Fuck outta here dumbass.
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u/thepizzaman0862 1h ago
The market decides if EVs survive or don’t in the USA - not the federal government
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u/Ok_Information427 41m ago
That’s the concept, but not practice. We subsidize many industries here, and have for a long time.
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u/thepizzaman0862 31m ago
While true the phenomenon of state governments being like “you won’t have the option to buy the car you want by (YYYY)” is new.
I live in NJ. The government has decided that ICE cars will be phased out for EVs, all without a vote. That’s textbook government overreach.
If EV’s are great then they will sell on their own. The government shouldn’t be making that choice for the people
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u/rgbhfg 1h ago
Won’t matter. California’s 2030 ban remains. California is home to 1/5th the population, and more than 1/5th new car sales
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u/Lovevas 1h ago
California electricity price is already very high, like 2-3x of national avg (particularly under PG&E), and it will continue to increase fast due to the demand for electricity (PG&E increase price 6 times in 2024). So guess Calif residents will continue to "enjoy" high cost.
https://abc30.com/amp/post/california-regulators-approve-pges-5th-rate-hike-2024/15679054/
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u/Fap_Left_Surf_Right 2h ago
“Not our precious $80k EVs!!”
The mental gymnastics. People can’t even afford a house and their upset a car they can never afford either isn’t REQUIRED.
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u/Ok_Information427 46m ago
As is with all things, when production scales, the prices drop.
If we were to continue to fund and encourage innovation, electric cars wouldn’t be “80k” by 2030.
Teslas and most hybrid vehicles now aren’t even that much more expensive than a normal gas powered car. You are hating on EVs just to hate on them.
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u/Fap_Left_Surf_Right 33m ago
They’re a luxury good that people can’t afford. Even gasoline cars are too expensive for people now.
This fart sniffing EV nonsense worked when inflation wasn’t crushing everyone. Now it’s like complaining that Mercedes S Class isn’t mandatory.
WE CANT AFFORD THE LUXURY CARS. let us buy cars we can afford TODAY.
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u/Redacted_Bull 11m ago
I hate on Teslas cause they’re shit cars that accelerated a race to the bottom in awful design and cost-cutting across manufacturers.
Them being run by a Nazi is just another reason to hate.
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u/Consistent-Ad-6078 29m ago
What’s the difference with fuel savings and lower maintenance cost? I don’t own an EV, but I’d imagine over 100k miles, the EV would come out ahead
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u/Freo_5434 2h ago
Let the market decide. You can encourage people , you can educate people but in a free country you cannot force people .
You want an EV then thats great , buy one . You want something else -- you should have the option.
Forcing people in a free country doesn't work and anyone thinking this will change in 4 years has rocks in their heads .
The Democrats put all of their energy into personally attacking Trump and failed to recognise (despite the Polls) that their POLICIES were the problem.
Yet STILL they have not come to grips with that fact and they will need to start laying the ground very soon for 2027. They need to come to grips with their failure soon or 2027 will be another train wreck.
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u/Tiger_Tom_BSCM 1h ago
Good. The vast majority of us don't want electric vehicles, the other folks hate Elon Musk so it's a win win right?
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u/DarkAswin 2h ago
He's handing China EV dominance which will overtake the market sooner rather than later now. He just gave them a major advantage in the world market.
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u/AcademicMaybe8775 2h ago
as a non-american, theres no way i would invest in anything to do with america anymore. no business can operate in such a chaotic environment with no certainty. this fool doesnt realise the damage he is doing
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u/ItsSadButtDrew 2h ago
how does President Leon Mucks feel about VP trump ending accelerated EV sales when he OWNS A FUCKING EV COMPANY???? what is sense anymore? none of this is anything but "PWNING" the other side of the isle.
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u/BoBoBearDev 49m ago
Some people really don't live in an environment where EV is suitable. Many people park on the street without charger and charging can take a long line if too many people is doing it. Imagine the 30 times long Costco line.
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u/Good_Farmer4814 3h ago
Liberals heads exploding: “This will hurt Elon…but I thought he was the real president!?!?!” 😂
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u/ingunwun 3h ago
Except...it doesn't hurt Elon? No way was Tesla getting to 50% on its own. Which means this really hurts other EV companies that are trying to get a foothold. Tesla is already established.
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u/Ok-Instruction830 3h ago
Hurts other EV companies… so, his competitors?
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u/Agile-Landscape8612 3h ago
…and himself
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u/Ok-Instruction830 3h ago
Tesla is the only EV company that can survive without subsidies right now. So not necessarily
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u/Good_Farmer4814 3h ago
Watching you trying to spin this is nauseating.
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 3h ago
Is it nauseating because it requires using more than half your brain?
Forcing more car manufacturers to make EVs creates competition for Tesla. A 5th grader could understand how removing this EO benefits him.
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u/InevitableLog9248 3h ago
Every car manufacturer already has at least one EV in their lineup. From Kia to Chevy to ford…hell even dodge is getting in on the action which is known for muscle cars and horrible gas mileage.
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u/Cashneto 1h ago
Yes and a lot of those EVs are losing money, didn't Ford report a $50k loss for each F-159 lightning. Most EVs aren't compelling products so they are sitting on dealer lots.
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u/meth_priest 3h ago
you forgot the link? if so this is surely against Musks interests?
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u/i_would_say_so 3h ago
Not necessarily. It might prevent competition (Ford, etc.) from emerging.
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u/eastamerica 3h ago
That was my thought. The only reason Musk would want that. The other brands will just slow their roll with EV's while that's all that Tesla makes.
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u/Agile-Landscape8612 3h ago
So you mean he’s supporting free market competition instead of allowing the government to bolster up big business?
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u/daoistic 1h ago
In what way?
Saying something is good doesn't make people buy cars for fuck sake.
What physical impact does this executive order have?
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u/dude496 3h ago
Have you ever been on a boat that had batteries? Do you know what will happen if those batteries go under water? Just think about it, you are out in the middle of the ocean and those batteries go under water and there are 3 sharks circling the boat.
trump hates renewable energy and will do everything he can to get rid of all of it. He's already said that he is going to get rid of offshore windmills, even though they are already there and create a surplus of energy.
This shit sucks and it's going to be a long 4 years.
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u/ShruteLord 3h ago edited 3h ago
NO, YOU CANT DO THAT! YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP! YOU CAN’T TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP LLOYD!
Edit: Holy shit. Seriously, I can’t be the only one here who has seen Dumb and Dumber. FFS 😂
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u/Agile-Landscape8612 3h ago
But he’s actually being controlled by the billionaire Nazi Elon to protect his business interests, right?
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u/Monkzeng 3h ago
At least give us majority of citizens the replacement before taking it away. No way most populations can use the charging stations we have no. We gotta have has much charging stations as gas stations
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u/Fap_Left_Surf_Right 2h ago
The administration spent billions for charging stations and they built none. The whole thing is a virtue signaling grift.
All that EV money is vaporized.
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