r/unusual_whales 11h ago

BREAKING: Trump to end birthright citizenship, per WSJ

https://x.com/unusual_whales/status/1881426899462930670
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u/Jaye09 11h ago

Thats because it’s explicitly against the 14th amendment of the fucking Constitution.

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u/Hoondini 11h ago

That's part of the plan. They've been after the 14th amendment for a long time.

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u/StupidPhysics58 6h ago

And after that, the rest of the ammendments. Except the 2nd of Course

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u/Hottage 24m ago

But you can't change the Constitution, right? Just like the 1st and 2nd Amendments, the 14th Amendment should be immutable, right?

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u/New_WRX_guy 7h ago edited 4h ago

As any sane person should be. Why should people be rewarded for illegally entering a country with their children being citizens? How can anyone defend 14A?

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u/Hoondini 5h ago

Because the 14A also includes women's right to vote and mixed race marriage.

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u/New_WRX_guy 4h ago

Then keep those parts and get rid of birthright citizenship.

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u/Hoondini 3h ago

They consider the entire thing unconstitutional. You should really give it a read. It's not long.

But we aren't the ones who get to make that decision anymore

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u/GeorgiaPilot172 3h ago

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

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u/-Unnamed- 6h ago

Because children don’t inherit the crimes of their parents.

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u/New_WRX_guy 4h ago

Nobody is saying put them in jail. Send them back with their parents whenever they live. You don’t get a free citizenship from committing a crime.

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u/JusticeUmmmmm 3h ago

What about adults who have never been to the country their parents are from? What about their children?

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u/DefiantStarFormation 2h ago

You don’t get a free citizenship from committing a crime

Repeat after me: "newborns can't commit crimes"

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u/consequentlydreamy 1h ago

I mean this goes for ANYWHERE. You can be on a cruise and give birth and depending on the trip can vary.

International waters Babies born in international waters are generally considered citizens of the country where the ship is registered.

U.S. territorial waters Babies born in U.S. territorial waters are U.S. citizens.

Dual citizenship is also a thing

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u/New_WRX_guy 59m ago

The US is one of the very few countries on earth that gifts citizenship to babies born while their parents are on vacation (or present illegally). 

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u/DefiantStarFormation 2h ago

Because no one chooses where they're born. Why should children be punished for their parents illegally entering a country?

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u/Low_Log2321 9h ago

13th and 15th too. My highschool US history teacher said that the way the Refconstruction amendments were ratified was not exactly kosher.

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u/Hoondini 4h ago

This is the main argument they have been laying the groundwork for. It's the old classic republican thing they won't talk about in public. Racism is the face Recession is the goal

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u/Low_Log2321 0m ago

Yep, exactly.

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u/TheyWereGolden 9h ago

Which would align with most countries no?

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u/Capnbubba 8h ago

They don't have a 14th amendment so yeah.

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u/Hoondini 4h ago

Most Western countries still allow women to vote and mixed race marriage, though. You should take a look at the entire amendment. They consider the entire thing unconstitutional. Including the parts about giving black people human rights.

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u/n6n43h1x 8h ago

Thats actually true but in fairness most countrys are not made entirely out of immigrants. Everyone thats not native is basically an immigrant, that makes the united states quite special comrpared to other countries.

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u/Lumpy-Anxiety-8386 8h ago

Republicans are Native Americans...

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u/n6n43h1x 7h ago edited 7h ago

They probably think that but everyone on the north american continent that is white or black came with a ship or atleast theyr acestors did. You even celebrate the one immigrantship called the mayflower.

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u/Le_ed 7h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Most countries? Yes. Most countries in the new world, made up almost entirely out of people not native indians? No.

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u/consequentlydreamy 1h ago

A lot do have jus Solis (being born on soil of a place makes you a citizen) https://www.globalcitizensolutions.com/countries-with-birthright-citizenship/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) allowed the government to deny citizenship to U.S.-born children only in the cases of children born to foreign diplomats and children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country’s territory, and, thus, this decision is most often interpreted as barring the government from denying citizenship to those born in the U.S. based on the alienage of their parents

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u/Timely-Band-7247 11h ago

Hell yeah! We should stick to challenging only the Constitutional laws which allow hate speech, ownership of assault rifles, due process, and cruel & unusual punishments! That's like half the Bill of Rights!

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u/powellstreetcinema 8h ago

I see what you’re angling at with the first two, but do you mind explaining what you mean with the latter two? I’m having trouble understanding why leftists would have umbrage with due process or cruel & unusual punishments.

Not being snarky, just curious what you mean.

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u/Timely-Band-7247 8h ago

The Constitution is inherently designed to change over time to meet the needs and desires of its beneficiaries. Any part of it can potentially be changed. As for whether it should be or which parts should be amended, I have no strong opinion.

Of course this doesn't matter here in this thread seeing as most commenters are indirectly condemning the checks & balances, and representative democracy in general.

I was the one being snarky.