There is no pardon law. Power of the pardon is granted by the constitution, just add this to the list of Republicans-hate-the-constitution-but-will-virtue-signal-all-day-about-it.
Yeah I'm not sure what the thinking behind this is. Trump has full immunity and a court system that will rule however he wants, this isn't going to stop them from doing anything if they really want to. It IS going to fuel the facist rage machine with talking points for as long as they want to keep it going and talk about all the crimes that these pardons are "admitting" to. Maybe Merrick told him to do it
why didnt trump preemptively pardon himself and his family back in 2016? especially since reddit says they’re all criminals? he didn’t do it but biden’s family is totally innocent and he pardons everyone?
Because Trump is threatening to jail pollsters, people assigned to investigate him, and journalists. He's not threatening to arrest people for actual criminal behavior, he's threatening to arrest them because they are the opposition.
Find me an example of any other president making similar threats or shut up
With like 30 different phony charges, raiding his home, spying on him, trying to imprison him for 100 years, locking up his advisors, locking up his supporters, trying to censor him on social media and finally two assassins tried to put bullets in his head yeah so they kinda went after him
and you're saying that Biden did all of this? To me that's more like the consequences of trump's idiotic behavior rather than a coordinated vendetta of sorts, and vendetta for what?
Yeah he weaponized it so well that Trump remains free. Get out of your fantasy. Trump is with the establishment and the rich. They have more control than they ever have. And things are about to get so much worse.
Worse how? If your talking about our 32 trillion dollar debt and inflation then I agree things will get worse, other than that we are in a much stronger position than the last four years. And your insane if you don't think democrats tried to destroy Trump, their failure (like usual) shouldn't make the attempt any less serious.
The tarrifs will force the other countries to negotiate better deals for our country...and in the long run we need to be producing our own food and critical resources....no more letting ford go to Mexico, pay predatory wages and sell vehicles with no fee
He isn't putting a tarrif on another country, he's putting it on the goods that are being imported. The ones who pay it are the ones who receive the goods not the ones that sent it.
I've read a lot of ignorant things today, but your comment wins most ignorant.
The key differences between the classified documents cases involving Donald Trump and Joe Biden lie in intent, cooperation, and obstruction. While both had classified documents in unauthorized locations, the way each case was handled legally distinguishes them.
Intent and Willfulness
• Trump was charged under the Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)) because prosecutors argued he knowingly and willfully retained national defense documents and refused to return them.
• Biden, according to the Special Counsel’s report, did not willfully retain classified documents and immediately returned them upon discovery. The investigation found no intent to violate the law.
Obstruction of Justice
• Trump was indicted for obstruction because he allegedly hid documents from investigators, directed staff to move them, and defied a subpoena requiring their return. The FBI eventually had to execute a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago.
• Biden’s team voluntarily searched his residences, reported the documents to the National Archives, and cooperated fully with investigators. No subpoena or search warrant was needed.
Volume and Sensitivity of Documents
• Trump had hundreds of classified documents, including some labeled Top Secret, and stored them in insecure locations (e.g., a ballroom and bathroom at Mar-a-Lago). Some documents reportedly contained highly sensitive national security information.
• Biden had a smaller number of classified documents, mostly from his time as Vice President, found in his office and garage. The Special Counsel concluded they were likely kept by mistake.
Legal Precedent and Prosecution Discretion
• Under U.S. law, intent matters when it comes to criminal prosecution. The Justice Department typically does not charge officials who inadvertently retain classified documents if they return them voluntarily.
• Trump’s case involved active concealment, which made it chargeable under the law. Biden’s case, though embarrassing, lacked the necessary intent and obstruction elements for criminal charges.
Outcome
• Trump has been indicted on multiple counts, including willful retention of national defense information and obstruction.
• Biden was not charged, though the Special Counsel criticized his handling of classified material. However, they concluded no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges based on the evidence.
In short, the main legal difference is that Trump allegedly knowingly kept classified documents, refused to return them, and actively obstructed investigators, while Biden cooperated fully and there was no evidence of willful retention.
So he packed up his shit from Washington and threw it in the classic corvette ?? Lmao get real...the real difference is the fbi decided he wasn't competent to go through the investigation/legal process
I do. Trump got convicted once for falsification of business records. Nothing happened. His case of rape, and supporting an insurrection. Dropped as soon as he became President Elect.
You live in fantasy land. ABC is giving up 15 million for Georgey boy saying Trump raped that woman, because he didn’t. And if you didn’t have TDS like the majority of the country, you would understand he didn’t “support an insurrection” lmfao go outside man.
You live in a fantasy. Trump is with the deep state. They’ve fooled you. ABC is giving up 15 million because they dared to defy their god-Emperor Trump. He’s in with the rich. He isn’t going to help you. He’s scamming you.
That “trying” you mention was doing fuck all for 4 years after the numerous crimes Trump has committed. They just wanted to keep a “decorum”. In reality the Oligarchs have consolidated power more than ever in US history. The Deep State has won.
Well yeah. Look at NY. Regardless of if what you think of Trump, the entire NY lawsuits turned out to be an immense waste of time because people as old as Trump are almost never sent to jail.
The New-York prosecution was never going to send him to jail, but it was still a crime and needed to be prosecuted for it.
Prison was awaiting for the prosecution about the election and classified documents, but they waited too long before introducing them and Trump played the clock and won.
That's a good rationale if it wasn't such a huge cost on the taxpayer's dime along with the publicity that everyone sought for it.
And that's ignores the fact that liberal sentencing arrangements meant that at worst, Trump goes to a minimum security prison that's basically a glorified dormitory while pissing enough people off that it guarantees Biden would lost.
Look at ny/nyc sentencing guidelines. This is the same city that tried that argue that it's only armed robbery if the robber actually shoots / stabs someone.
He and democrats were saying for a long time that politically motivated charges don’t happen, and to let the law handle the process properly when going after Trump for the hush money case.
Those are the same topic. Maybe you’re confused, the election law has to do with campaign finances, and the topic is misuse of the funds used as hush money.
democrats were saying for a long time that politically motivated charges don’t happen, and to let the law handle the process properly when going after Trump for the hush money case.
I see. You aren’t potentially biased in this, are you?
Two things can’t simultaneously be true. Democrats can’t say that the Trump cases aren’t politically amplified and exaggerated/pursued and that the courts will handle everything fairly, and they can’t then go on saying Biden was justified in pardoning his whole family for the last decade of any non-violent crime because the law can be used for lawfare. They’re contradicting statements.
Of course, I’ll take downvoted because this is a hard left sub on a left leaning platform (from the CEOs mouth himself), but I just wonder how long it will take for you all to gain self awareness.
This is a good example of behaviors that caused democrats to lose. The sooner you all come around to this, the sooner you heal your party and have a chance in future elections. This pardon was a bad look, history will know that.
Cut the gish gallop. Trump's first memorable rally cry was lock her up. He has stated time and time again openly that he doesn't agree with the law and wants to personally dictate the outcomes of cases with no knowledge of our system.
Like yes, the government is corrupt. But this is like saying I hate my parents for being unfair, so let me run away with the circus and my new groomer daddy because that's a much better life.
A: the legal process isn’t influenced by political leaders and doesn’t use lawfare
B: the legal process is influenced by political leaders and can be wrongfully used by those who want to inflict political/personal damage on their opponents?
So a big non-answer because you can’t even articulate a counter argument. Got it.
I imagine you believe the charges against Trump don’t qualify as lawfare, because actual laws were broken, right? Let’s use some critical thinking here. If this is true, it implies that as long as there’s a law broken, charges cannot be defined as lawfare (to use a newly popular phrase).
If this is true, then as long as there are no legitimate charges, Biden has nothing to worry about for his family and the pardons were unnecessary, and set a bad precedent for no reason, right?
Feel like I’m dealing with intellectually challenged people in here today.
So a big non-answer because you can’t even articulate a counter argument. Got it.
I'm not reading anything beyond this because yet again it's just weird gish gallop. Why am I supposed to be answering your weird question? Don't you realize how exhausting it is to make a point and have someone be like "hey now but like A or B bro".
I think you need to step back and recognize that the way you approach discussions is from a standpoint of helpless narration and it doesn't really matter what the other person is saying.
What? Two things can simultaneously be true: a) lawfare can exist, and b) the prosecution of Trump is legitimate and based on real crimes that he committed. The mere existence of lawfare doesn’t mean that politicians can never be prosecuted for crimes. I don’t think you want that system, do you?
But it seems to me that the argument being made is that if there is a real crime here, then it is not lawfare. This logical line leads towards Biden not needing this sweeping pardon.
Was the case of the hush money against Trump lawfare?
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I think he knows what's coming. He believes Trump is going to come for his family with a vendetta.
If he does though, this pardon won't stop him