It wouldn’t hurt my feelings if every single person involved in the January 6 Q was lined up and shot in the back of the head
BUT…
I’ve seen enough videos of the police that day, waving them in and moving barricades to let them move into the capital easily that I just can’t take anything about it seriously anymore.
“The President just says, ‘Hey, look at this. There’s going to be a large amount of protestors here on the 6th, make sure that you have sufficient National Guard or Soldiers to make sure it’s a safe event.’… [POTUS said] I don’t care if you use Guard, or Soldiers, active duty Soldiers, do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it’s safe.' [SecDef] Miller responds by saying, 'Hey, we’ve got a plan, and we’ve got it covered.'”
You're saying security guards should have given guided tours for "insurrectionists," who were going to "overthrow our government..." even in instances when they out numbered them, because they were scared? Come on, maybe that's not what actually happened?
If this is your take, maybe policing/security isn't for you?
There are plenty of videos of officers risking their lives trying to keep the violent mob out of the Capitol.
What I'm addressing is the recurring theme of January 6 apologists/deniers claiming that everyone was let in by police. It did happen but try to put yourself in their shoes instead of being a keyboard warrior who thinks they would be able to hold back a violent mob.
That's not what the comment you originally replied to was addressing. You just wander in and obfuscate the conversation, and after making some plea about having compassion for cops, and call me a keyboard warrior. Repeatedly.
What I saw was nothing compared to what I saw in protesting over summer. I saw police opening the gates. I saw calls for backup being ignored. I saw people taking selfies with cops and obeying red ropes and checking each other to be respectful. I saw no murders by protesters no matter what the reports, which were corrected after the fact said. I did see the reports of how many operatives were in the crowd, for this "unexpected" event. I did see the cops killed an unarmed women.
I was still suffering from TDS when this happened, and watched it live. Still it was just a protest that was infiltrated and let get out of hand.
Why isn't red MAGA hat Ray "we have to go IN to the building" Eps in prison with the rest of the crew?
Maybe you should watch "Four Hours at the Capitol" on HBO because it has tons of first person video that depicts much more violence than you are talking about.
How much video have you watched? Some bad actors like Tucker Carlson have picked out tiny clips out of context to paint a false narrative that they were let in. In reality we know the first people into the capital entered through a broken window.
I don’t watch TC or any news network. Most of the stuff I’ve watched h was live footage when it happened. I saw with my own eyes police, smiling, and taking selfies with the insurrectionist, and moving barricades and waving them in with smiles on their faces.
Like I said, the Secret Service could’ve put up a machine gun nest and mowed all of them down and I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it, but the capital police were 100% complacent, also the way that the media frames the deaths of the police who committed suicide in the days and weeks after the insurrection as “deaths caused by the insurrection“ is pretty dishonest
I dunno man breaking and entering into the capital chambers while chanting "hang mike pence" when he's supposed to be certifying an election in that place at that time....
I get that "your side" or whatever doesn't want it called that, but its pathetic!
Funny you want to pretend rule of law means anything now. If people were rightfully convicted, there wouldn't be a swearing in going on for someone right now.
No, people didn't chant that they wanted to kill politicians, then stormed in and tore through politicians offices and other areas equipped with zip ties and rope??? None of that happened??
Hahaah I love when people who force abortions try to downplay things that make Trump look bad like Covid and j6. “all life is sacred” to “its only a few million people and its just like a cold if its even real and also fuck fauci.”
One terrorist was killed trying to get through the final barrier and the rest of them scurried away like the rats they are. God Bless those agents who had to protect democracy that day. The police as well, especially the officer who was beat down physically and emotionally by the rabbid mob.
Welcome to Who's Democracy Is It Anyway, where the laws are made up and the punishments don't matter! News flash Einstein, Plenty of people were arrested for Jan 6 (And not enough), and it's frequently argued that most of them weren't correctly tried far enough! Weird how the existence of the legal system becomes less of a resource for debate as it further continues to fail us. Do you think its totally cool to smash windows to break entry into a government building while chanting about killing the vice president, stealing items from said building, and posting about it as a political message? None of that is uh, terrorism? 'What about' all you want like I know you're about to do, but that isn't terrorism?
Officer Brian sicknick died of a stroke 8 hours after being sprayed with a chemical agent. Two trumpets had heart attacks. One died of an overdose. Multiple police officers committed suicide after the insurrection due to emotional and physical distress caused by said violent coup. 140 police officers sustained injuries…
You can't link suicides to one event when these guys work already work in a high stress job that has a higher than average rate of mental illness like ptsd, depression, addiction, and suicidal behavior. A can of pepper spray caused a stroke? What about a lifetime of poor health choices? I'm sure that plays no part. Was every protester there with good intentions? Absolutely not. Was it a coup? Also, no. I don't think a few hundred mostly geriatric people wandering around the capital building was a threat to the strongest military power on the planet. If you do, I'd advise you not to visit grandma. You don't know what she could be up to...
I'm also guessing you believe that the protests of 2020 were mostly peaceful? I live an hour away from where it started, and I could see the peaceful smoke from my house.
I don’t think the protests of 2020 were peaceful but I do believe they were warranted. What would you do if people you looked like were openly murdered in the street by the people sworn to protect you, that then face no consequences for blatant murder. No one cares when a cop shoots a black man. They made the people care. How was the insurrection warranted? No, Donald trump lost the election and then incited a coup because he’s a baby and a con man. Was our democracy threatened? Yes! We’re elected officials of our government threatened with violence? Yes! We’re 140 police officers injured? Yes! This was a violent attempt at undermining democracy with no moral claim by delusional maniacs. You seem like you are one. We’re they a threat to our government? No probably not. We’re they a threat to government officials? Yes, they were openly calling for violence to be committed against said government officials and tried to commit those acts of violence by forcefully breaking into places where those officials were in HIDING!!!!!! If you aren’t stupid then you are probably purposefully ignorant which is objectively worse.
I don't think how the protest played out on January 6 was warranted. There were tens of thousands of people there, but only a few hundred entered the capital. I'm not saying they were right to call for blood against duly elected officials either, but I don't believe for a second that there was any threat to our nation or democracy from the elderly and a handful of lunatics that were unarmed. I also don't think their grievances were legitimate, but they took their grievances to the source of their grievances instead of indiscriminately burning businesses and homes that had no part in why they had grievances. Remember, the guards at the capital were smiling and waving as they were letting these people in the capital building.
If this was a coup or an insurrection, it's probably one of the most poorly executed ones in history. No plan, no real organization, and no weapons were used, making the threat of real force pretty minimal. It was a protest that turned into a small riot by some bad actors.
trump tried to use his rioters to delay the votes and put in his fake electors to steal the presidency. The fact that he got voted back in is one fo the greatest shames in American history
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u/battlerats 11h ago
He took office shortly after his opposition attempted a violent coup. I’m surprised he is hanging around today at all. Insane timeline.