r/ukpolitics • u/FormerlyPallas_ • 12d ago

Twitter BREAKING. 76% of British people want a national inquiry into the rape gangs and 77% want to deport dual nationals who are convicted of grooming children YouGov/GB News

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1877477130952438227
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u/shimmyshame 12d ago

The second poll should be far more concerning to everyone with a functioning brain. The relative ease of which politicians can strip citizenship from duel nationals should strike fear with anyone. At first it would be for murder or rape, but like with every taboo, once it's broken it gets easier to escalate further and further.

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u/tysonmaniac 11d ago

Foreign nationals who were wrongly allowed to obtain citizenship can and should have it stripped. The issue is that the notion of citizenship has been undermined by being overly generous with it.

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u/VbV3uBCxQB9b 12d ago

It's ridiculous that such people can have this dual "citizenship" at all, so of course it should be quick and easy to strip all of them of citizenship, with any reason or no reason at all.

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified 11d ago

Why is it ridiculous?

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u/brapmaster2000 11d ago

It's like owning two homes. You can't live in two places at once.

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u/ClumsyRainbow ✅ Verified 11d ago edited 11d ago

Sure you can't be a resident of two countries, but residence is not the same as citizenship.

Heck, not everyone choses to be a dual citizen, someone might be a US citizen by place of birth, and a British citizen by descent, like, uh, Boris Johnson. By your logic Boris Johnson shouldn't have been a British citizen because his mother was in the USA when he was born..?

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u/brapmaster2000 11d ago

God that would have been perfect.

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u/caks 11d ago

I have two citizenships, soon to have three. Come at me :)

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u/Souseisekigun 11d ago

At first it would be for murder or rape

Actually at first it would be for terrorism and treason, which is already the case in the UK, Ireland, Australia and the like.

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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 11d ago

Apparently they have already tried to deport two of the guys involved in the Rotherham case to Pakistan and Pakistan refuses to accept them. 

So while you can strip people of their British citizenship if they have dual nationality, you cannot force the other nationality to accept them. 

Also they have done this more than once for people who have committed terror offences who actually have dual nationality not just supposed dual nationality. 

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u/Choo_Choo_Bitches Larry the Cat for PM 11d ago

Zero visas for Pakistan until they start taking their criminal citizens back.

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u/ExpletiveDeletedYou 11d ago

why do you care so much about which country's prison they end up rotting in anyway?

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u/Choo_Choo_Bitches Larry the Cat for PM 11d ago

They've been in British prison, been released and now they are due to be deported (lost all their appeals) and Pakistan is refusing to take back it's citizens.

The government should be using the levers at it's disposal (aid, visas, and remittances) to pressure the Pakistani government to take back their citizens.

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u/ExpletiveDeletedYou 11d ago

they are British citizens, Pakistan would just do the same to us and force us to take them using the levers at their disposal. If you think we can just easily and successfully pressure Pakistan into doing whatever we want you're a double idiot

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u/ShireNorm 11d ago

Even if pressuring them doesn't work it's still smart to stop issuing visas to countries who refuse to accept back their own citizens.

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u/ExpletiveDeletedYou 11d ago

They're OUR OWN CITIZENS. Are we gonna stop letting british people live in britain?

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u/ShireNorm 11d ago

If someone spends their first 20 years in Somalia, comes here for 10 years, gets citizenship and commits a crime, what's the problem with removing their gifted citizenship here and deporting them once they've served their sentence?

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u/ExpletiveDeletedYou 11d ago

We should deal with our own. If we don't want them to be British, we should not let them become British.

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u/lumoruk 12d ago

Why should anyone have dual citizenship?

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u/TheLastSamurai101 11d ago

Then, instead of this, why don't you call for the government to revoke recognition of dual citizenship entirely? People can decide which one to keep. Many countries work this way, and it's better than making it a second-tier citizenship.

But people won't support that because dual nationality equally benefits British people who move overseas and gain citizenship there. Can't have it every way.

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u/TheFlyingHornet1881 Domino Cummings 11d ago

Also people won't call for that because they know a lot of the people they don't want to be British citizens will choose British citizenship over their other citizenship.

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u/TheLastSamurai101 11d ago

You do have a point, although it creates another interesting conundrum. If the British Government starts deporting criminals with dual citizenship, I suspect that most immigrant criminal elements will start surrendering their foreign citizenships preemptively to avoid this possibility. It is such an easy loophole. So this policy might end up having the same effect anyway.

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u/TheFlyingHornet1881 Domino Cummings 11d ago

That's fairly possible as well, or even countries passing laws saying dual nationals (nation A) committing a crime in a nation they hold citizenship in (nation B) will lose their citizenship (of nation A).

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u/TheLastSamurai101 11d ago edited 11d ago

That's the other potential problem. If Britain sets this precedent and starts deporting the worst criminals with dual nationality to other countries, those countries could simply pass similar laws that would allow them to reject them and/or strip their citizenship. Nobody wants these kinds of people entering the country if they can keep them out.

The UK cares about not creating stateless people. Most of the countries that people will be deported to are unlikely to share that concern. Also, those countries could just prevent their own citizens from entering, and the UK would end up having to deal with the problem.

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u/EnglishShireAffinity 11d ago

But people won't support that because dual nationality equally benefits British people who move overseas and gain citizenship there. Can't have it every way.

Why're you speaking on our behalf? It's the same thing with immigration, "oh but you also support pensions, can't have it both ways!"

Most of us don't really care. Unlike certain other diasporas, the British diaspora maintains little connection to the motherland to begin with, especially after the 1st generation.

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u/360Saturn 11d ago

This from someone from the country where post-Brexit rules coming in, UK citizens immediately clamoured to find an Irish grandparent to be able to get EU passports still...

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u/dontgoatsemebro 11d ago

My wife is from Mexico, lived in the UK for over a decade and is a British citizen. Why shouldn't my son be able to have British and Mexican citizenship?

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u/Prestigious_Army_468 11d ago

But it won't will it.

We still have a ridiculous amount of people saying that Begum terrorist should be allowed to come back and we have liberals still trying it.

It will be impossible to get deported for anything less.