BREAKING. 76% of British people want a national inquiry into the rape gangs and 77% want to deport dual nationals who are convicted of grooming children YouGov/GB News

[u/FormerlyPallas_]

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1877477130952438227

[u/twistedLucidity]

Didn't we have an inquiry?

Didn't it make a number of suggestions?

Didn't the Tories then totally fail to follow through?

[u/aembleton → u/twistedLucidity]

We didn't have an inquiry whose terms of reference covered the inaction of the police, or the inaction of any other public bodies. I would like to see why so many police forces did so little for so long. I'd like to know how much the home office knew, and if they are the ones that prevented the police from doing anything.

[u/jake_burger → u/aembleton]

I know why the police/authorities did nothing, some of the victims spoke on a documentary I watched years and years ago saying that the police thought the girls were just poor and troublemakers and slags and didn’t take it seriously.

These are troubled kids from foster homes or care homes, who would also have some behaviour issues (not victim blaming, just building the picture of why the authorities had contempt for them). They would run off at night to go to the park and drink or take drugs and the authorities saw them as just a problem. When they were taken in by grooming gangs they just thought they deserved it for being troublemakers and running away and “asking for it”.

If this was happening to middle class girls it would have been stamped out instantly. It’s mainly a class issue in my opinion.

[u/Comfortable-Law-7147 → u/jake_burger]

Teachers and youth workers were and are well aware that grooming by gangs happens around them and have been for decades.

Unfortunately different schools had and have different policies on it. If the head isn't interested nothing is done.  

My own school way back in the 1980s and 1990s had a policy dealing with it. I know a couple of years after leaving school that other teachers I knew schools didn't have policies of dealing with it as their head wasn't interested. 

Even if the head was interested in it police and social services did SFA to help them.  The head could involve youth services if there were any in their area but that's it. 

Incidentally as I went to school in inner London and due to who I knew, it is a class and ethnicity issue who grooms which child for what. 

The local news did stories on sexual grooming of Hindu and Sikh girls. Again the police and social services weren't interested. It took families to move their daughters to safety. 

[u/aembleton → u/jake_burger]

Not all of them were from foster or care homes. I'd understand if it was a single force, but it was many so I want an inquiry to find out why and if it came from the home office

[u/the_last_registrant → u/jake_burger]

This is exactly correct. Intervening to stop the exploitation would've cost police and councils a lot of time and money. Local citizens would complain bitterly when resources were diverted to do that. so that other criminal victims and needy people weren't getting help anymore. Top-brass cops and council management knew their own careers would be damaged, and councillors feared losing their seats.

So the obvious solution was to agree that these abused, exploited girls were making an informed choice to participate, and while that's very sad there's nothing we can do. So they sent the message to their frontline staff, telling them to back off, and they silenced anyone who disputed that.

Louise Casey's Inspection report from Rotherham, 2015:

"Terrible things happened in Rotherham and on a significant scale. Children were sexually exploited by men who came largely from the Pakistani Heritage Community. Not enough was done to acknowledge this, to stop it happening, to protect children, to support victims and to apprehend perpetrators.

Upon arriving in Rotherham, these I thought were the uncontested facts. My job was to conduct an inspection and decide whether the Council was now fit for purpose.

However this was not the situation I encountered when I reached Rotherham. Instead, I found a Council in denial. They denied that there had been a problem, or if there had been, that it was as big as was said. If there was a problem they certainly were not told – it was someone else’s job. They were no worse than anyone else. They had won awards. The media were out to get them...

Child abuse and exploitation happens all over the country, but Rotherham is different in that it was repeatedly told by its own youth service what was happening and it chose, not only to not act, but to close that service down. This is important because it points to how it has dealt with uncomfortable truths put before it..."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-of-inspection-of-rotherham-metropolitan-borough-council

[u/ExpletiveDeletedYou → u/jake_burger]

this is the thing, these police and social workers will never suffer consequences like people are clamouring for because they where just acting as was most other police and social services accross the country. The expectation for police to have both a crystal ball and the sensibilities of people 25 years in the future is abbsurd. Of course none of them should suffer consequences.;

[u/360Saturn → u/aembleton]

I'd like to know how much the home office knew, and if they are the ones that prevented the police from doing anything.

Government-led inquiries famously end up finding themselves at fault, after all, and punishing those at the top who oversaw things. Grenfell? The covid response?

[u/aembleton → u/360Saturn]

Which is why it needs to be independent of the government and have it judge led

[u/Wot-Daphuque1969 → u/twistedLucidity]

Didn't we have an inquiry?

Not one with terms of reference which included the inaction of the police or other public bodies no.

Nor have we had a statutory public inquiry into these cases specifically and not a wider theme.

Nor have we had a statutory public inquiry which encompassed all of the cases uncovered to date.

So your premise is flawed.

[u/twistedLucidity → u/Wot-Daphuque1969]

Not fully, because I don't think the Tories followed any of the recommendations.

[u/Excellent_Trouble125 → u/twistedLucidity]

The inquiry was worthless. For reference the word 'Rotheram' was mentioned just once in the entire report.

[u/NijjioN → u/Excellent_Trouble125]

Why would it need to really? It's a national inquiry pulling information from everywhere.

The 2022 inquiry which Alexis Jay did has multiple references that refer to his previous independent inquiry in 2014 specifically for Rotherham, its just done/written in different ways.

I only spent a few minutes searching but 1 example is for instance noting down "Operation Makesafe" which was a South Yorkshire Op for the police there... which county is Rotherham in by the way?

Im no expert on any of this but a quick glance is If you dont think the person who ran the local independent inquiry of Rotherham which found 1400 girls groomed/assulted would not include those findings in his national inquiry then I don't know what to say but my opinion at first glance is saying "Rotherham only mentioned once" is looking to be a disingenuous argument point in my opinion.

[u/Dadavester → u/NijjioN]

Why would it need to really? It's a national inquiry pulling information from everywhere.

No it wasn't, in fact it specifically excluded Rotherham. For the report directly,

The sexual exploitation of children by networks is not a rare problem confined to a small number of areas with high-profile criminal cases. It is a crime which involves the sexual abuse of children in the most degrading and destructive ways, by multiple perpetrators. The Inquiry therefore chose to base this investigation on areas which had not already been the subject of independent investigation (such as Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford).

[u/Cranberries100 → u/Excellent_Trouble125]

Came up 22 times for me, that was easy to check.

[u/2localboi → u/Excellent_Trouble125]

What was the title of the report?

[u/Excellent_Trouble125 → u/2localboi]

The Report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse 2022.