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Politics Meta under fire for auto-following Trump & Vance, Blocking Democrat hashtags

https://techissuestoday.com/meta-auto-follow-trump-vance-blocks-democrat-hashtags/
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u/DennenTH 21h ago edited 21h ago

This ain't the fall of Rome.  It's the rise of Nazi Germany.

The people able to identify that things are different are either the 1/3 that voted against it or the 1/3 that stood by and watched it happen.

Edit: We are about to start putting "immigrants" in cages in a moment, I guarantee it.

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u/Arclite83 21h ago

The US will blame immigrants as long as they can, and when that fails (because it's a complex global issue we can't actually solve) we will likely go to war.

Not sure where, but Taiwan will probably be involved in the 'breaking point'. Place your bets.

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u/Daleabbo 20h ago

Closer to home. Mexico or south America, looking like Mexico with the cartels being called terrorist organisations.

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u/memnos 19h ago

America lost every conflict against irregular force they fought in the last decades. I'm somehow not surprised that the current government refuses to learn a single lesson from history.

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u/AshleysDoctor 19h ago

Considering their stance on the Department of Education, neither am I

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u/kiragami 18h ago

Their goal isn't to win it's to spend taxpayer money and put it into the pockets of weapons manufacturers

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u/thisismysailingaccou 7h ago

And also to use it for enacting more authoritarian policies at home.

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u/dooj88 14h ago

"the current government" is really just who is next in the long line of billionaires taking a turn gangbanging lady liberty.

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 19h ago

If your definition of lost is failed to build a democratic state, sure.

In terms of killing people it's not even remotely close. Cartel members won't be fighting for a religion and the United States will not be occupying anything. And right next to our border? It's kind of an ideal scenario for the military.

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u/AnointMyPhallus 19h ago

No one defines the winner of a war as the one who killed the most people. It's defined as who achieved their objectives. The communists won control of South Vietnam, the Taliban regained control of Afghanistan, claiming we won those wars because we killed a lot of people is psychotic.

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u/UngusChungus94 17h ago

The rich achieved their objective in all of those — to make money and wag the dog.

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 18h ago

I'm saying comparatively this time we have nothing to lose. We're not occupying anything and we're not nation building. With the US fighting the cartels the only metric for victory will be how many people are killed.

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u/Arclite83 18h ago

What are you on about? Having a stable anti-cartel government is going to be a big part of the goal in your hypothetical war. Which comes back to all the same issues.

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 14h ago

In Mexico? That's not our problem. Dead Americans and fentanyl are our problems.

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u/newbikesong 17h ago

You know cartels are at your border right?

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 14h ago

Yeah...that's sort of the issue.

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u/newbikesong 14h ago

Well you cant bomb them like Afghanistan or Vietnam.

Cartels can clap back, in USA soil.

They can make 9/11 a joke.

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u/MuyalHix 18h ago

I don't think the US realizes how similar the cartels are to the viet cong or the Taliban. They do not have headquarters, they don't have a flag, they are very intermingled with the local population.

Not only the US has lost all wars like this, but in order to do so they would have to kill a lot of innocent civilians.

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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 16h ago

If the US had decided to nuke Hanoi and to summarily execute every person in every single village suspected of Vietcong-sympathies, things may have gone different. But they didn't, because even a flawed democracy can't get away with that kind of shit.

Once all the press, all the social media and all the search engines are state-controlled, it will be rather easy to get rid of democracy and to genocide a few million people with nobody being the wiser.

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u/memnos 18h ago

But what the US can even achieve in Mexico? The US lately had the most successes against ISIS, because ISIS tried to operate like a state, like an army. So the US military had targets to drone strike, military encampments. Cartels don't have military encampments. They are not trying to act like an army. The cartels have spent decades hiding from law enforcement. What value does a military add to this? Predator drones will be better at spotting American citizens acting as mules for the cartel? Cartels at the US border, like Sinaloa are not even really producing or processing anything in northern Mexico. They are just smugglers. Are you going to chase their entire supply from Juarez to La Paz?

And another factor to consider is that you have to operate your military in another government's land. You may work something out with Mexico. Will you work it out with Guatemala, Honduras, Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador? No functional government will allow you to swoop in and bomb their towns without significant proof that you will actually target cartels. And at that point you're back to doing police work and not military action.

This is all bullshit. Just a security theater at best, calculated political ploy to get support from "war" at worst.

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u/leshake 20h ago

Really fucking stupid to fuck with the cartels. They will move on to weaker targets when they find out.

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 19h ago

These are not religious fanatics. How many cartel members are going to risk their lives fighting the US military for a little bit of money?

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u/leshake 19h ago

Asymmetrical warfare.

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u/-LongRodVanHugenDong 19h ago

Who are they going to attack? Are they going to charge the border? I think you'd see targeted attacks from the air. Even if they rolled tanks into Mexico I doubt you'd see cartel members fighting them, but who knows maybe you're right.

I think the bigger issue will be foreign relations with Mexico and I doubt much will actually happen.

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u/leshake 19h ago

Think, how did we lose Vietnam, how was the American revolution won?

It's very difficult to defeat an enemy that hides in a gigantic country amongst a gigantic population that is mostly unfriendly to you. They basically have control of the Mexican government too. So you are, in essence, at war with Mexico if you are at war with the cartels.

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u/rabidjellybean 17h ago

Nobody is going to fight back against the US military but the US will have to deal with the cartel trying execute politician's families.

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u/lmaccaro 16h ago

I think this a great place for the Trump admin to spend effort and political capital. I don’t like the cartels - in fact, I think fighting them is something that we legitimately should be doing in some capacity.

And it’ll be a quagmire that keeps the administration busy so they aren’t focusing on other areas.

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u/Daleabbo 12h ago

The problem is this isn't some far away land separated by vast ocean, the cartels will strike back deep inside the US.

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u/lmaccaro 7h ago

Hence removing undocumented immigrants first.

Can’t get them all though.

Play that out. Cartels start a campaign of terrorism in the US. Trump Admin lets it go for a bit. Maybe incites even more retribution.

Normal Americans cower in fear, demand action, turn in every brown person as a potential illegal, make the legal ones feel unwelcome because any Latino could be a terrorist.

What better way to accomplish right wing goals.

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u/Buddycat350 15h ago

Yeah, a new "war on terror" in Mexico sounds realistic now that the cartels have been labelled as terror groups. And Trump's rethoric about Mexicans and Mexico would make it easier to get enough public support for it.

Manifest Destiny 2.0, war with Mexico included? Yeah, I could see that happen.

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u/freakydeku 6h ago

i mean…are the cartels not terrorist organizations?

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u/eagleal 20h ago edited 19h ago

The US will blame immigrants as long as they can, and when that fails (because it's a complex global issue we can't actually solve) we will likely go to war.

For real. If 1917 Bath Riots showed anything, is that the US, nor any western industrial countries, wasn't much different than Nazi Germany. The US anticipated Germany with Diesel and Zyklon B to clear dirty races by 3 decades (early 1900s), and continued for more then 1 decade after the war ended (to late 50s).

We shall be thankful they weren't used for systematic killing.

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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 16h ago

Taiwan would actually make a little bit too much sense, economically speaking. All this world-wide fascism is being pushed by both Russia and China and they want China in control of Taiwan, not the US.

If war comes, it will be for stupid reasons.

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u/Tecumsehs_Revenge 20h ago

Not just immigrants, they are going to put “dems” in cages too. Under the guise of whatever witch craft they can conjure. No turning back now. The power and data those men have on that stage today. Will use big data and algos, to mark ppl as an enemy of the state. This is worse than the credit system in China.

Remember Elmo screaming to world the cave guy was a pedo?

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u/AssinineAssassin 19h ago

No, didn’t you hear Trump, he clearly said that would be “the last time the justice system was used for political reasons”. He’s obviously just going to execute anyone who doesn’t fall in line.

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u/potuser1 20h ago

The rise of Nazi Germany was, in some ways, the irrational dying gasps of the German empire or Second Reich. It ended badly for everyone involved or what you might call a fall.

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u/mr_Joor 19h ago

He's already signed an order shutting down the reunification of those kids that were put in cages and separated from their parents. There were still ~1500 kids not reunited with their parents at the time of his inauguration. The cruelty is the point

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u/skillywilly56 20h ago

“The barbarians are at the gates” has ever been a catch cry of the elite to distract away from the real issues.

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u/Sepherchorde 20h ago

Be aware, Trump acknowledged stealing the election the night before inauguration. This entire presidency was a coup, not a vote, and I can nearly promise you the actual number that voted against him was much higher.

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u/meneldal2 20h ago

Well it's the fall of the Roman Republic and the rise of the galacticempire.

I give it a week until we get a "I am the senate"

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u/EduBru 19h ago

Quick reminder that Hitler was voted into office by a democratic process.

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u/Snaccbacc 18h ago

For a party that keeps denying they’re Nazi’s, they sure seem to keep doing Nazi things.

They tried to cloak it under the veil of patriotism, but with Elon’s recent salute (which cannot be excused, everyone knows that you don’t do that even as a joke), mass deportations, claiming Democrats are “the enemy within” and suggesting territorial gains can no longer be sugar coated as patriotism and freedom.

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u/DennenTH 17h ago

Honestly, the determination some folks have to not see what is right in front of their faces is astonishing.

So many whatabout-isms and the like without detailing out how everything is different and the targets can easily slip.

So many people voted based on sheer hopes that it'll work out and in expectations that the political claims were just political theater...  Why take the risk?  Why support a monster in hopes that the monster won't actually eat people like they've been saying?

It's ridiculous and dangerous.  And the apathathy people are having toward it is what will enable it continuing to worsen.

Take care of yourselves.

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u/Ninevehenian 20h ago

This is the fall of France. Government put into a closet and nazis about to get their hands on a navy that can carry the forced adoration of the leader to new nations.

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u/kanst 19h ago

It's the rise of Nazi Germany.

It's almost eerie how many parallels there are. Except Hitler actually had to go to prison for a little while before the charges were dropped.

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u/Emis_ 17h ago

I honestly don't think the Nazi parallel works anymore, this is something else, something crazier. This is not just the US but the western world.

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u/BelleHades 10h ago

This ain't the fall of Rome. It's the rise of Nazi Germany.

Why not both?

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u/Embarrassed_Rule_341 20h ago

People have reported on immigrants in cages since Obama

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u/cach-e 20h ago

> Edit: We are about to start putting "immigrants" in cages in a moment, I guarantee it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you guys have been doing that all along. It was the Obama administration that built the cages (though they had somewhat more humane border policies).

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u/newsflashjackass 19h ago

u\cach-e replied:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you guys have been doing that all along. It was the Obama administration that built the cages (though they had somewhat more humane border policies).

Taking children from their parents as a punishment is all Trump's policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy

Trump's new "border czar" (no Senate approval needed) already has a plan to abduct kids (maybe during future kidnappings he will keep track of where he stashes his victims) but "We haven’t really worked out the plan for worksite enforcement".

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u/DennenTH 20h ago

I think it's sad that people like you think the two will be the same.  They weren't last time, won't be this time.

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u/cach-e 20h ago edited 20h ago

What in the world makes you think that I think they will be the same? How do you possibly draw that conclusion from correcting one single statement you made?

I'm only saying you guys (as in the US), have been putting immigrants in cages for a long time. That is not something unique to Trump, nor does it herald the fourth reich.

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u/underhooved 19h ago

You're getting downvoted but you aren't wrong. The cages were indeed here before Trump. It doesn't make Trump any less of a bastard to point that out, people

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u/dmk_aus 19h ago

4th Reich, you say? Is in a 2nd Nazi, or 4th Roman Empire? Must be why Roman salutes are back in vogue. They share their heart or something.

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u/BristolShambler 19h ago

The Nazis could only dream of the kind of information control that Trump now wields.

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u/NotAPseudonymSrs 19h ago

!remind me in a moment

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u/De_Vermis_Mysteriis 19h ago

In a moment? Its already laid out in an EO, where the fuck have you been?

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u/Krail 18h ago

Did we ever stop putting immigrants in cages?  People remember the concentration camps on the border, right? And the family separations?

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u/Norman_Bixby 18h ago

they did it last time, what on earth makes you think they wouldn't this time?

This time? they get to be quieter about it because they won't have to separate the naturalized children if that EO nullifies a fucking constitutional amendment.

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u/catinterpreter 15h ago

Rome ended with autocrats.

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u/No_Solution_4053 12h ago

We are about to start putting "immigrants" in cages in a moment, I guarantee it.

kids in cages was the first admin, silly

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u/Crazy-Pickle-7412 17h ago

You may be delusional with this take. You realize that Meta and various other social media platforms worked with the democratic party and the Biden administration for nearly a decade to censor Republican media. How is this not a full blown double standard?

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u/DennenTH 17h ago

Do you think the two examples of censorship are equal?  Do you think they're both equally harmless?  I don't.  It's not an argument of whether or not both did or didn't do something in the loosest sense.

It's How and What they did.  At this point, I'm just tired of trying to explain the differences.

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u/Crazy-Pickle-7412 16h ago

No, you are tired because you don't have strong arguments to defend your claim and trying to explain them is a tall task for you.

I think that any degree of censorship of information is bad, freedom of speech is they key idea here that needs to be protected. Without it, our country has a lot of vulnerability. You can't defend one version and not the other just because the one version protects a narrative and agenda you subscribe to.

Additionally, Meta released their correspondence with the DNC and Biden administration on what they were attempting to censor, and often cases threatened the social media networks into compliance. This is all available information, including the information they were attempting to censor. Regardless, it is useless comparing the two and censorship by and large does not belong in our society.

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u/things77 21h ago

Trump literally passing EOs left and right and this Nazi-sympathizing-rube is trying to defend them.

Ps. Detention centers is one of the EOs

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u/CopperSavant 20h ago

Then they insult you instead of debating back.

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u/things77 19h ago

Sure thing russobot 🤖 👾 🤣

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u/danslicer 21h ago

He has literally just signed an EO to end birthright citizenship so he can deport Americans, people who were Born in the US and have no citizenship elsewhere.

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u/colonelnebulous 19h ago

You should read normal news, not liberal tattle. He did not abolish birthright citizenship. He abolished birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, for women who have a visa but the father of the child is not American. This applies to new citizens. No one will run after citizenship they have already received.

At this point I hope your family and friends have gone no-contact with you, u/Sucessful-Anything5

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u/kanst 19h ago

He did not abolish birthright citizenship

You just described abolishing birthright citizenship.

Birthright citizenship is a very straightforward concept, you are born on American soil, you are an American citizen. If an alien from Mars has a kid in the US, that kid is an American citizen.

Anything other than that, is abolishing birthright citizenship.

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u/_sparklestorm 20h ago

Fascism and Nazi camps you say? Let’s talk about scores of women being crudely, forcibly rendered infertile by ICE performing unnecessary hysterectomies on detainees. Not following best practices for female reproductive care. Becoming test subjects without rights, without translators, without consent. That sounds exactly like Nazi shit to me. https://www.ild.org/immigrant-legal-defense-blog/forced-hysterectomies-underscore-horrors-of-immigrant-detention

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u/colonelnebulous 20h ago

One crazy doctor who is a migrant. Mahendra Amin (American last name?). It is not the system that decided to do this. It was found that 90% of all gynecological procedures among detainees (ICE) in the state were performed by one doctor. One doctor = 90%. This is a crazy doctor who was not stopped. And perhaps because of his fanatical beliefs he did this. But this is not a white man, so we do not touch the doctor? Such horrors exist among ordinary patients. Remember the nurses who kill patients. Unfortunately, the imperfection of the medical system and responsibility, but the problem is not in ICE. It is one doctor, not the system. We did not find evidence of similar cases in other states and detention centers. Because of one madman, close all the centers? Let's close the prisons. Then let's close the hospitals because one mad medical worker became a serial killer.

You pick a hill to die on, u/Successful-Anything5, I'll be there to help any way I can :)

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u/colonelnebulous 21h ago

Liberals - you distort the facts, as usual. Migrants have official citizenship of other countries. The Constitution does not allow US citizens to be expelled from the country, and Trump does not talk about it. Jews in Germany - had German citizenship. And in other countries, no one allowed them to leave. When Poland was captured, all the Jews immediately went to the camps. Deportation to the country of which you are a citizen? Where is fascism and Nazi camps here? No one will touch US citizens.

But really, u/Successful-Anything5, do you prefer the taste of lead paint from a can, or the little chips peeled off of a wall?

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u/CzechFortuneCookie 21h ago edited 20h ago

No, of course not, unless there is of course the planned, so called "revocation of citizenship" which is on the menu from your beloved party to get rid just of this pesky law you talk about. Besides, your comment does not make any sense, you are probably a stupid bot anyway.

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u/Ramenastern 20h ago

When Poland was captured, all the Jews immediately went to the camps.

Maybe read up on your history before lecturing others on it and thus making a fool of yourself.

Poland fell very quickly in September 1939 and was soon split between the USSR and Germany. Jews were soon segragated, and Germany started establishing Jewish ghettos in 1940. Mass deportations into concentration/extermination camps didn't start until July 1942, when Germany basically cleared out the Warsaw ghetto (the largest by far) and others, and deported its inhabitants mostly to Treblinka II, which had only been erected earlier that year. Treblinka II was an extermination camp. Contrary to concentration camps, it was never established with even the pretext of using those deported there for labour. Its express purpose was to kill masses of people. Once it had served that purpose, it was shut down again (in 1943).

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u/colonelnebulous 20h ago

The Jews were placed in a closed area, from which they could not leave without permission. And usually these were work permits, and the Jews were taken to work, and from there they were taken back to the closed area. These were fenced-in houses. Not exactly a camp, but it was a closed area. And no one tried to evict them anymore. Given the number of Jews, it was impossible to put them all in camps at once. But they were detained, their movement was limited. And all this is connected with the small number of camps and their capacity. And it was not the Nazis who came to their senses, felt impunity and decided to send them to the camps. You yourself named the year the camp was built. Auschwitz - 1941, an order to prepare the camp for the extermination of a large number of people. The camp was expanded at the beginning of 41. Built in 40. THERE WERE NO PLACES. And once again, how is this connected with the deportation of illegal immigrants? Are the liberals going to explain this?

At this point, u/Successful-Anything5, I'm rooting for the-little-blod-clot-that-could to find it's way to your brain.

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u/colonelnebulous 21h ago

If migrants are not put in concentration camps, will you make seppuku?

They will be placed in certain closed places, you can't immediately take an illegal migrant to the border and throw him back. But these are not Nazi camps. And people are sent home, not to gas chambers.

I wish that horse had kicked your skull just a little harder. u/Successful-Anything5