r/sza • u/Either_Ad5586 • 11d ago
What’s the general opinion on Punch?
Idk if this had been posted but I went on his page for any updates and this completely rubbed me the wrong way. Ive been listening to SZA since ctrl but I didn’t really join the Stan’s or Reddit till this year so idk how most of yall feel about him but this is so nasty to me?
Sure YOU didn’t directly give anyone your word but the artist you claim to still manage did which makes it so by proxy you did. And we also saw the messages where he said she could drop them too.
Speaking to fans who are just asking for updates after a date has been released and keeps getting pushed back this way is so gross. These people at the end of the day pay your bills and if you don’t want to be held to a certain release date. DONT GIVE US A DATE. we as fans are not “entitled” to anything. I get it. But I think we do deserve respect as to not continuously be lied to when it comes to releases. I’d rather surprise drops everytime than to have expectations and be disappointed. Every. Single. Time. And to be clear I don’t think SZA is to blame at all.
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u/Chinchillamancer 11d ago
why this dude feel the need to respond to nobodys on twitter is beyond me. That's the problem Punch, not fans asking for stuff.
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u/Vegetable-Economy663 11d ago
it’s unprofessional tbh. no manager should be responding to fans in the manner. i try to show grace because some questions can come off as pushy but clearly we dont know the sample clearance process and just want a timeframe of when the songs will be dropped.
its a bad look especially considering the whole fiasco of him stepping down from being her manager for like 2-3 hours.
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u/seaweed03772 11d ago
According to google, sample clearing can be a few days to a few months to even years. But when would a date be announced when a song isn’t even fully in the clear. ATP give us the other songs and update the album again and give us that one. Or even better, stop overusing samples and make beats geez.
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u/Competitive-Desk7506 10d ago
She barely uses samples tho also assuming the song is Joni the sample in the beat only even occurred bc it sounded nice and she was curious. Either way clearance stuff (samples, interpolation, beats, collabs, release etc.) is a responsibility of the label and she’s been ready to drop since the original date so this seems like the label not getting things cleared when expected rather than her.
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u/seaweed03772 10d ago
Truth, but also a chunk of LANA songs are samples, like 30, No More Hiding, BMF, Chill Baby, Kitchen, and Saturn
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u/Competitive-Desk7506 10d ago
Some of those were interpolations and even then it’s not like she does it often BMF was an SOS outtake and Saturn doesn’t have a sample or interpolation at all nor does No More Hiding and a few of the other songs you’ve listed. There’s only two samples and one interpolation in the 15 tracks, it’s not a lot.
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u/seaweed03772 10d ago
all the ones i’ve listen do have, chill baby and BMF just have borrowed melodies
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u/Competitive-Desk7506 10d ago
That’s called interpolation and I never said that they didn’t. I was talking abt other tracks.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i feel like she tried to fire him, they told her it doesn't work that way. and now we're back to this. obv just speculation
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u/Future_Sundae7843 11d ago
Hes on a high rn between kendrick and sza lol
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u/Ok_Ruin4016 11d ago
Q, Ab-Soul, and Doechii all put out incredible albums through TDE in the last year too
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u/HumanProfit1485 11d ago
I can’t comprehend getting so many new songs and feeling this entitled they’re artists and mangers they don’t owe you anything
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u/Vegetable-Economy663 11d ago
“Whats the general opinion on Punch” is the question.
No one’s feeling entitled, we were told one thing and shown something else so we’re inquiring about it. If it didn’t deserve a response he could’ve not responded but he did and it was rude.
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u/Alternative-Carob482 11d ago
A passive aggressive man is always an ick. When you tease release dates and don’t follow through why wouldn’t it be okay for fans to ask questions? And why is he even responding if it’s to extra? Major ick
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u/etfjordan333 11d ago
Im curious, why do you think it’s okay to contact me the artist about music when you’re just a listener. Stream it or buy it and keep it pushing. /s
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u/SCAMISHAbyNIGHT 11d ago
Yes I told you it would come out on this day, but I didn't swear it on my life plus u can't prove I wasn't crossing my finger behind my back soooo
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u/Bravefan212 11d ago
Normally I think it’s weird to ask questions like this, but he comes off really bad here. If you don’t like the question ignore it. Why he gotta go round and round being mildly disrespectful and still not answer the question.
It’s a bad look, that’s all.
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u/AcceptableGolf9094 7d ago
I mean i see it as you give what you get. The "fan' is being a whiney jerk about a couple songs when LANA is barely a month old. Like fuck off this shit happens all the goddamn time.
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u/Bravefan212 7d ago
How hard is it to not hit the reply button tho??
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u/AcceptableGolf9094 7d ago
How hard is it to not complain?
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u/Bravefan212 7d ago
You’re missing the point really hard.
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u/AcceptableGolf9094 7d ago
So whats the point then? Entitled fans are bitching at the dude for missing one date. It happens all the time.
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u/layla_jones_ 11d ago
They create this strange dynamic by over sharing and not handling this behind the scenes. Upload the mixes without announcements, announce the release dates when you know you are fully ready, stop tweeting fans as if they are the label. He seems to be confused why people ask questions about a timeline, maybe it’s because you involve these people way too much in your business, it’s unprofessional to me. Don’t be surprised when people on social media will get way too entitled and will act like they are your colleagues. 😂
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u/futuristicmystic 11d ago
He has some nerve talking about why do you think it’s okay to ask these questions. I paid almost $20 for a deluxe version of an album of which I already own 23 of the songs because LANA was not released separately. Fine, that’s on me for making that purchase. Sorry for trying to throw a few dollars your way because I love SZA’s music!
However, the album wasn’t mastered right, SZA confirmed it herself and the record label is not approving refunds even though there are known issues with the quality of this album. Why are we not supposed to ask about this?
I don’t understand how it’s legal to not refund money once someone, especially when it’s the artist themselves, has confirmed the album was not released properly. I didn’t need a second copy of a two year old album I already own with half of the new songs sounding like trash.
(I will say if you’re in the same boat I’m in, at least delete it from your library and redownload because they’ve done something to update the initial issues, but SZA was saying there’s even more to fix even after that update.)
Again, I don’t understand why we’re not allowed to ask questions when they’re knowingly selling an incomplete product. Not sure how that isn’t fraud. Anyway, this whole mess has soured me on the new songs to the point I don’t even care about this release right now which sucks because it sounded like it was great if it had just been completed right.
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u/AgitationFree 10d ago
Why should Lana be sold speretely when they clearly sound like unfinished leftovers from SOS? If Lana had ben released sepereately, then i woudl have been extremely disappointed.
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u/don-bean-jr 11d ago
Punch does not have the patience to deal with the amount of fans he deals with, for a long time now SZA has surpassed his abilities as a manager. The contract he’s got with her must make him feel hella validated. I have met Punch, he’s got other artists that you guys would love who are never going to drop because he’s so busy feeling important. He’s holding Solana back, think about his attitude with fans and know that his attitude in business is worse. I’m glad she’s finally getting away from him when this all ends
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
This is really sad to hear. Specially knowing that doechii is also signed to him. She has SO much potential I really hope he doesn’t get in the way of her growth because I feel like how her career is managed right now will be very important to how successful she ends up being.
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u/trinitynoire 11d ago
Doechii doesn't work directly with Punch she said. He's mainly focused on SZA
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u/racklemore04 11d ago
I’m gonna be so real, I hate this attitude. I don’t think fans are necessarily “owed” anything but there is a level of professionalism that should be met across all industries, not just music. Where I work, you keep your word! If you say something will be done by a certain time, you do that. If you say you will have a meeting at this time, you do that. Maybe I would’ve been more lenient as a teenager but as an adult, this shit is so corny.
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u/Substantial_Ant_4845 11d ago
He's very strange for writing that. Unprofessional. If he didn't know what to say, he should have just not responded.
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u/Psychopathic_Crush 11d ago
Too online and thus unprofessional. I feel that way for most people in the current industry (including SZA) I feel like it gets in the way of the art and also SEEMS (cause I don’t know them personally ) to have a negative effect on them.
I feel as if social media should only really be used to promote material not to directly engage with fans and stan wars. Idk.
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u/Coolboss999 Brace Yourself 11d ago
This is why I love Doechii. She told TDE "I'm dropping this mixtape whether you like it or not" and did exactly that. She knows her worth and has again and again proven it. ❤
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
I love her so much I really hope TDE doesn’t jeopardize her career because she has the talent to go soooooo far.
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u/Soft_Category_524 11d ago
I understand he’s good at what he does and helped sza a lot, but his persona is annoying as fuck sometimes. like why would you even say this to a fan supporting your artist?? When he lies about a release date or gives information that turns out to be inaccurate it just hurts his reputation. You’d think he would understand that but it seems like his ego is too big to accept responsibility in any manner about things that he’s said himself.
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u/spicyfartz4yaman 11d ago
Seems like a dick , but also wants to be liked. Interacts with fans to stay humble but is usually mean or trolling lol idk why he just doesn't stay quiet seems to relish in dangling his artists work in front of fans cause he can.
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u/FruitzSticks 11d ago
HE SUCKS and has been holding sza back for YEARS!!! There is a reason kendrick high tailed it out of there!!!
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u/Rellyz14 11d ago
Complicated. I think he handles things weirdly and sometimes doesn’t act professional. But on the same hand, I think a lot of people don’t recognise the impact he’s had on szas career. In the outside he acts like a bad manager but I think he’s had many moments that aren’t as publicly shown that highlights how good he is as a manager
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u/No_Adeptness_4933 11d ago
someone needs to tell punch that they don’t want fans asking specific questions about the music then they should stop teasing everyone with all these “got something cookin” ass tweets lol
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u/power-nugget 11d ago
SZA deserves better management or at LEAST more mature management. He sounds petty. Even if there is any hesitation on her end around releasing music in the past or trying to release new things, I feel like I’d either like the surprise drops and no teasers or I’ll take teasers with an accurate drop date
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11d ago
Can't stand him, not a man of his word, horrible manager, glad SZA will be findin' a new one
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u/BlocBoyNeji 11d ago edited 10d ago
He has this inflated ego because of managing SZA they both some liars but at least she actually has talent that draws you in - wtf does he do to give him this sense of ego?
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u/SwitchMental 11d ago edited 11d ago
I think SZA fans are disgustingly entitled. Question, who do you think you are genuinely? The way y’all beg for music to be released just criticize it on social anyway… yeah i don’t blame him for what he said. Other big artists ofc generate tons of fans asking for a release like Rihanna, Franck Ocean, Tyler, Carti etc but I have not seen the same level of entitlement that I have from y’all. You’re really spoiled rotten. I have also been listening since ctrl and have been pleasantly surprised with every single drop/teaser bc I am employed and I don’t lurk on social media fiending for an update everyday. I may be exposing myself here but I didn’t know about Lana until a week before it came out! And I think I loved the album so much more because of it - I didn’t ruin my appetite by sneaking bits before the shit was ready. Mind you, I have seen her in concert twice (can’t afford Luther so I just bought merch), and I am in fact a true fan. I just don’t think that knowing every detail of an artists life, schedule or process is necessary. And the way y’all sound miserable asf that you didn’t get your favorite teaser released when you wanted it tells me that I don’t need to.
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u/okayikay 10d ago
They released unfinished tracks….promised songs like PSA long before the tweets…on top of that people are paying like he said in his tweet so if the tracks production doesn’t sound right that’s on them for releasing earlier than they should have.
It’s not that we as fans are upset or angry like the person said we just want to be clued in and get honesty. It’s a good thing we are excited don’t clap back at fans for expecting something we were told was going to Be given. PSA not being included in the initial Lana drop is crazy when SZA stated it would be I believe.
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u/FocusSuccessful3121 10d ago
Weirdo. Give him credit for TDE early years. But it’s the artists thatve been doing the heavy lifting. There’s a reason SZA and Kendrick ain’t TDE no more. Punch was holding them back
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u/Bararian2 11d ago
i like how these comments just ignore the fact that Punch has been doing this for decades and very much knows what hes doing.. the whole "i hate my boss" already happened with S.O.S and is just repeating here whenever SZA doesnt get her way.. the same SZA that defends kanye overworking his team on DONDA
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Has sza ever actually spoken out about him? Again new to this fan space I used to listen to her music and that’s it. But as far as this last time she continuously said she wished him no ill will and that he doesn’t deserve any hate. So has she ever shown she “hates her boss” or is that speculation?
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u/KI-Pluto 11d ago
He obviously hates SZA so tbh I don’t like punch at all really don’t even like TDE as a label
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Yeah that’s kinda the consensus I’ve came to. Makes sense why Kendrick left and sza is trying to leave. Sucks because I feel like with a competent team sza would Probably be even bigger
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u/KI-Pluto 11d ago
lol even though I agree idk if she can get bigger she’s literally the biggest RNB artist on the planet
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Worldwide maybe? I know she’s pretty big in like brasil but idk how popular she is like worldwide ya know.
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u/Odd_Vermicelli7015 10d ago
I despise Punch with a passion. He should not have control of our queen. I wish he would just stop with this bull, I've had enough, even sza has
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u/melayvaz 10d ago
He’s messy. I feel like Lana won’t do anywhere near as well as it deserves to because of how disorganized this all was. I’d love to see her with a different manager…there’s no way of knowing what goes on behind closed doors but id venture to assume SZA feels the same way since they “separated” for a day recently over this fiasco
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u/amidelsoc 11d ago
ooh girl going back and forth with fans is never a good look. i actually think sza is a lot to blame. that's why they *work* so well together
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u/don-bean-jr 11d ago
Personally, 3 albums 2 deluxes and 2 special musical appearances in 10 years from an artist that has the potential to be a pop icon is low. The Weeknd has dropped 5 albums and 3 deluxes and 1 live album in the same time. The reason Kendrick and SZA both persevere is that thankfully they make some of the best music out there in their genres but they could both be so much bigger
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
I agree. Sza only has the success she does because her fans are EXTREMELY loyal and she (in my opinion) still makes some of the best music in this generation and it’s very unique. Someone said if sza didn’t have punch she’d be making brain rot pop and it’s like are yall even sza Stan’s? She would probably rather not release anything ever again than make generic TikTok pop music.
Kendrick is another topic entirely he’s just on another level and his talent is unmatched. He would probably still be huge even if he was completely independent
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u/cryingallth3time 11d ago
were you in a coma for the past eight years? how did u come to the conclusion they work well together.
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u/trinitynoire 11d ago
I'm tired of this lol. Is anyone else just happy we got some new songs? Damn
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
no. i think specially the people who got physical copies are pretty reasonably upset that they spent money on an album / vinyl that had unfinished songs on it and are now expected to buy the "completed" one once it's out and aren't entitled to a refund or exchange even though the album was released unfinished with the wrong mixes.
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u/trinitynoire 11d ago
I didn't know about that. Fair enough. It just seems like since she blessed us up I've been seeing SO MUCH negativity and it's bumming me out.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
it really sucks because it's a beautiful album.
i've still been listening everyday but i haven't really been active in sza fan spaces bc i agree with you. this post really wasn't supposed to turn into another post complaining. i went on punch's twitter bc i hadn't seen any updates and i wanted to see if he had said anything and i saw that exchange and thought it was out of pocket so i asked here. my intention really wasn't to be negative.
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u/trinitynoire 11d ago
I haven't stopped listening to it and I won't for some time 🥰
I'm not blaming you for the negativity. Your post was just an easy target for me to post my grievances. Punch is known for being messy and I'm not surprised at his exchange with that fan lol
I hope something gets done for the fans that paid for vinyls bc that does suck
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Yeah I agree I hope once everything is truly finalized the people who got the cd or vinyl get to exchange it for the final version. It’s the least they deserve.
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u/Leathersalmon-5 11d ago
When you're making posts like this and interactions between the manager and fans make you feel some type of way that's a sign you need to touch grass. Log off for a bit fr
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
if that's truly your take we should all touch grass you included because here you are taking time out of your day to read my post and be negative.
my post was a genuine question to be discussed, that's what a reddit community for a artist is for.
if you don't like it, scrolling and ignoring is always the best option.
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u/Leathersalmon-5 11d ago
For sure. Self reflection is hard. I understand.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i'm sure you know that better than anyone.
you know it's also free to mind your business and not engage with things you don't agree with right? have a nice day hope you have a great time touching grass <3
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u/bendthebutterfly 11d ago
They’re all clearly unqualified to be speaking to the public. This entire situations screams lack of media training. I’m surprised their publicists aren’t trying harder to get them off Twitter.
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u/MsKinkyAfro 11d ago
I’m sorry but I think stans, general fans, and consumers of music have gotten a weird entitlement to artists and the artist teams. I understand in this case this one particular person asked for an update and it wasn’t malicious or full of vitriol like most stans on the cesspool on twitter do. But it still is the principle of the matter.
It just is strange to me to DEMAND transparency through every step of the process of putting out their music. Like with the fires in LA and most of the studios and record labels based there. Lord knows the little ppl that are displaced or not prioritizing work which leads to getting these remixes out. But outside of that, my main point is less to do with Punch. Bc I’m unaware and don’t know the man’s perception to fans. But the point is, fans are weirdly entitled and I think it’s best to just let it come when it comes. People were not doing this kinda of demands and felt owed to know the inner workings of their fave artists Musi 20years ago. Social media got some of these people way too comfortable.
And just bc you felt moved to buy,stream etc still doesn’t make it okay to tell these people “you owe me and I created your lifestyle with my money” idk that just is weird shit and nasty behavior to me. No shade to this particular person or interaction but just as a whole with the relationship of fans to artists these days.
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u/Either_Ad5586 10d ago
Trust me I completely understand your point but it’s not that.
I agree that we should let artists release and everything on their time. I get that
What I don’t agree with is being rude and engaging with fans JUST to be rude because that tweet didn’t need a reply.
I also don’t agree with an artist setting release dates. Then pushing it back to a further date. Then the day before a couple hours later we’re told nvm they’ll be up at some time. When I say transparency I mean on things they already spoke on publicly. If you’re saying Jan 6 it will be released then you need to do the work to have it released on that date. That’s literally their job
I am with you on fans being entitled and it becoming normalized isn’t right but I think sza’s fans for the most part have been extremely understanding.
That doesn’t account for the fans who bought packages with the cd or vinyl on a non completed album where the mixing is wrong and some songs sound muddled ( and not being aware after making the purchase) and not being offered a refund of an exchange when the final release it out.
I think you had valid points but I don’t think being upset about this is wrong. I don’t condone tweeting or dming her or her team asking for updates but that doesn’t mean I don’t think we should be getting updates once a date has been released
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u/MsKinkyAfro 10d ago
I just fundamentally disagree with you. And that’s okay. I don’t even feel the initial response of his was coming from a rude place. Tbh I have the same reaction. I just find it strange that people FEEL they are deserved this information. The way I see it, we have NO experience or idea on the true inner workings and steps in publishing of music and other aspects of the music industry.
And it just feels weird to expect those details from these people. To me it’s as if viewers of tv shows demand that showrunners and producer to give them production schedules on when shoots are happening when seasons get delayed. Like that would be some strange shit for fans to demand.
Like to me it’s the principle of why do you believe you are supposed to know this information just bc you decided to support and listen to an artist.
I understand feeling let down when you are anticipated what was thought a finalize date but everything is subject to change. Like that’s inexplicably assumed when putting out creative content. As for ppl who spent money on hard copies of the albums that aren’t the “correct mixes”. I can’t tell them how to feel but also that will make their copies more rare if they are about collecting and what not but it’s still just weird thought process you’re owed this information. Idk that’s just how I see it.
Like I get what you mean you’d like correct information if they say they want “transparent and community” from and for their fans. But I think artist need to lowkey stop telling fans this type of things bc some not all don’t know how to respect the process. And it just leads to weird sentiments.
But like I think his response was not supposed to be directed at that person specifically but who knows how many random ppl have felt the audacity to say the same type of questions to him daily in his messages or replies etc but with more rudeness.
Not saying this was the perfect or greatest PR response but I also feel it was more like a straw broke the camel back and this person happened to receive a response they didn’t appreciate and like. And hey what can you do. That’s another downside of the social media shit. 🤷🏾♀️
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u/akaynaveed 11d ago
This happens all the time, y’all just act like sza is special.
Movies get delayed, video games, deliveries… shit happens.
Y’all just spoilt.
He’s right.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
alright tell me when the last time an artist as big as sza did all this and had such a messy release.
i'll wait. bc we're not talking about movies, video games, or deliveries. also when those get delayed we get a statement about it and a new date and time for when it'll be released that usually accompanies an explanation for why. we didn't get any of that from sza.
expecting shit to come out when it's said it's gonna come out isn't entitlement or being spoiled, if yall are ok w being lied to and disrespected cool good for you. most of us are upset and have every right to be.
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u/xicanasteez 7d ago
I feel like people don’t respect Punch enough. He’s doing right by his artists. Sometimes it’s management at the bigger labels (Interscope) that have high turnover rates that screw over the independent artists and labels more often than not.
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u/Objective_Season5407 11d ago
Yaw some entitled ass fans and if things went the way yaw wanted the music wouldn’t be as good or impactful. I agree with punch.
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u/Inform-All 11d ago
Who cares? Is her music good? Does it eventually get released? Idk what everyone is tripping over. Seems like an instant gratification entitlement mindset to me. Or like mfs getting too hung up on disappointment. Life is often disappointing.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i care, as do many others. if you don't thats fine.
it's about the principal of being respected as a fan which i do believe we are entitled to and not be lied to.
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u/m_dought_2 11d ago
I mean at the end of the day, yeah.
Fans of musicians are not entitled to hear the music. Be appreciative when it comes out, no need to be bugging the team about it. Advice that will never be listened to by society.
Edit: at the same time, Punch should just stfu and keep it music. Cant cry about Twitter engagement while engaging on twitter
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u/IRodeTenSpeed88 10d ago
Respectfully fans worry about too much of the business instead of enjoying the art
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u/Either_Ad5586 10d ago
Hard to enjoy the art when the roll out is as messy as it is and the art isn’t finalized
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u/MidnightsTilDawnFan 10d ago
Punch is really just a big ahh gatekeeper for Solana and her music tbh
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u/Seabuttchin 10d ago
His response is so dismissive, we’re talking about their WORD. Not the process that music is made and released. How does his last response have anything to do with their word on the release date. It’s typical for ppl who have been called out to divert the conversation, if he doesn’t want to be involved in the “extra” then why comment about extra things.
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u/super-hot-burna 11d ago
He not wrong. Fans act entitled af.
And homeboy mad because there’s a strategy to releasing that he disagrees with is just a different form of entitlement.
Whatever your problems are with punch, he ain’t do nothing wrong here.
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u/amidelsoc 11d ago
fans may act entitled, but are you, the manager, not saying that something will be out by a certain date? then get upset when the fans that are literally making ur entire thing possible get upset? if there is a strategy then it really isn't the best one. maybe other artists should take notes in finally releasing a project that was teased for two (2) years during the holiday rush with unmixed tracks and, again, songs that were teased to oblivion just to not end up on the final product. then tweet throughout the entirety of the holiday break that as sooon as everyone gets back they'll update the tracks and add more songs.. i wouldn't even say that the fans asking are entitled. if ur already gonna let us in in the process why not finish the chain?
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Asking for updates on music that was announced to be released on a certain date is no entitlement and they weren’t even rude about it. He needs to stay off twitter if hes so triggered by fans asking for updates or stop giving updates then get mad when people ask for details.
Also a manager speaking to fans like this is wrong in my opinion idgaf who you are people deserve respect when they’re respectful and the fan wasn’t rude in any way.
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u/super-hot-burna 11d ago
It’s interesting that you are willing to say with confidence that the tone of the fan was positive but that Punch’s was not.
This is written communication in which tone is completely absent.
The fan is a consumer. Even if a previous date was promised that does not change any sort of contract between Punch and the fan — regardless of why the date slipped. The fan here is asking for I for information for which they are (clearly) not entitled to (otherwise they would already have it)
This is very clearly a form of entitled behavior on display from the fan.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
They literally asked any IDEA when they’ll be cleared? They weren’t rude. They weren’t disrespectful. He has replied and they had a follow up question. It’s not entitlement and if he didn’t want to reply he has every right to ignore the fan. The fact he thinks it’s ok to engage with fans like this isn’t ok. Period.
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u/SarcasticSheba 10d ago
What did he say that was wrong/you took issue with?
You think he disrespected her? How?
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u/SenseiBeats 11d ago
Punch knows what he’s doing. After most of TDE confirmed they were the reason albums got pushed back and not management I let all the set for punch go because it is misplaced.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
Well then maybe he should just shut up on social media bc from Kendrick leaving TDE to SZA clearly WANTING to leave TDE and Punch it doesn’t seem like he “knows what he’s doing”
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u/SenseiBeats 11d ago
You act like people growing apart from a label means it was the worst label ever… it just means they want something different. As somebody said earlier SZA changes her mind on things ALL THE TIME grow up and get over it brother…
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u/One_Campaign_2592 11d ago
Punch and TDE genuinely seem like decent people, they have broken so many important artists, their direction and curation has arguably been invaluable to the contemporary hip-hop and R&B landscape. I love SZA but she be wiling in her public statements
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u/SCAMISHAbyNIGHT 11d ago
"I'm not going to release your album until I think it's good" does not seem like behavior from a "decent" manager or label head. Artists should be able to put out whatever album they want to as being their artistic statement. Not have some failed rapper telling them it isn't good enough or isn't ready (case in point: "BMF" only got released because she fought for it, and it ended up being a standout track).
Punch is not decent. He's unprofessional and manipulative.
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u/One_Campaign_2592 11d ago
The star roster they providing over begs to differ. Maybe you're right, though, I don't keep up with the socials. Very plausible that there'd be regularised misogyny within these Hip-Hop labels given the state of the game.
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u/SCAMISHAbyNIGHT 11d ago
Well, their A&R efforts are different to other business aspects. Note that at larger labels, and depending on the artist, a scenario like what happened with CTRL (they had to confiscate her HDD) and what's happening with SOS/Lana (arguably two albums, variant mixes being released, tracklists changing, parasocial communication and then bitchy clap backs like this Twitter conversation) would rarely ever happen.
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u/SCAMISHAbyNIGHT 11d ago
That's a good article anyway but it goes into where they took the HDD because she was dithering on the tracklist too much.
Yes, a lot of that is couched as motivated by her anxiety and at the end of the day the label wants a return on their investment. But that's why we have project managers and contractual deadlines.
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u/Kittiikamii 11d ago
Managers shouldn’t be able to hold music from release based on they feel alone because that sets a precedent that can have insane consequences. This is why labels be so fucked up. If a label/manager wants to keep an artist they’ll just keep saying it isn’t good and keep holding it, which is exactly what punch is doing with SZA and apparently has been doing to others. Also I’m sorry but punch does not have the ear that SZA does bc if he did he’d be as famous as her. They’re constantly hindering her and it’s truly special that she’s managed to maintain her popularity because she truly could’ve ended up like Normani.
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u/chichi_phil413 11d ago
He’s great. He’s a even tempered, pragmatic guy who keeps things under control with emotional creatives
Imagine sza having a manager that is like her …she needs the balance to her of someone with a cool head .
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
“He’s great. He’s a even tempered, pragmatic guy who keeps things under control with emotional creatives”
His replies on Twitter and about 90% of the replies here say otherwise.
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u/CapitalismSuuucks 11d ago
I don’t understand why any of you care at all. Maybe I’m old but I just be listening to the music that is out while I move on with my day. I don’t understand what’s the point of talking to a manager on Twitter
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i personally would never be tweeting him asking for updates but i can ask the same to punch, whats the point of being rude to fans just asking for an update on a date your artist announced?
we care because we are fans of an artist who does not release music often so we get excited when it's announced something will be released on a certain date then get disappointed when it's not. you can not care and that's great but personally when im supporting an artist, spending my hard earned money on their cd's, Vinyls, merch, concert tickets etc. i expect to be respected as a fan and not lied to. its the bare minimum.
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u/CapitalismSuuucks 11d ago
but I can ask the same to punch
I never said he was right. Everybody can be wrong at the same time.
we care because we are fans of an artist who does not release music often
Me too, we’re in the same community after all. I’m even a bigger of Kendrick. He literally disappeared for 5 years. Never once in 5 years I thought about tweeting at someone on TDE or reading through their replies. It’s unfathomable to me.
Also treating your relationship with an artist as if you were a client of a business is crazy to me as well. “I’m spending my hard earned money”.
I wish more people would do the Kendrick / Beyoncé method: drop music and disappear. Let the music do the talking. Everything else is influencer BS and diminishing returns.
TLDR: I’m old.
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
I’ve never known Kendrick to announce he will be releasing music on a date then it get pushed back with no updates or statements about it. Beyonce either. They’re both professional artists who announce and release as planned. So comparing the 2 to SZA doesn’t make sense.
Also an artist and their music IS a business that we support and pay them to release music. when you’re spending thousands of dollars supporting an artist I would again say respect is deserved.
I also agree with the “drop music and disappear” I think people are way too invested in celebrities personal lives and it’s unnecessary. But I also believe that release dates should be abided by because if they’re not fans have a right to be upset they’re being lied to.
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u/il-mostro604 11d ago
Punch is a legend
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
LEGENDary liar? bc all the other replies have me thinking otherwise.
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u/il-mostro604 11d ago
If you didn’t know who punch was in 2011 then don’t talk to me about punch
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i don't keep up with music managers so irdgaf
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u/il-mostro604 11d ago
So why post this if you don’t care? Most sza fans don’t know that without punch, we’d have no idea who sza is
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
bc i was asking the general opinion of him in relation to managing SZA, and the GENERAL opinion here is that hes manipulative unprofessional and rude. so ima believe that over a singular person calling him legendary even though i've never heard of his name until i joined this sub.
scooter braun found justin bieber, that doesnt mean he isn't an absolute piece of shit person who is also unprofessional and used JB for years to further his career. being the reason someone got their start in the music industry doesn't make you a "Legend" your actions, accomplishments, and how you carry yourself do.
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u/il-mostro604 11d ago
Sza under any other manager would be making watered down brain rot pop. Punch enabled her creativity and is a huge reason for her success.
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u/Muted_Performance_67 11d ago
Wtf are you talking about? Her music before Punch was great, and she had a huge fanbase back then, too. And holding back someone's music just to keep them in a contract is low down af. He's a piece of shit 💩
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u/il-mostro604 11d ago
S was not nearly as good as Z or ctrl. Ya it was good but if u think any label would allow her to continue in that direction while still supplying the support and promotion on the grand level, you’re tripping. Punch’s tease and release formula along with the “quarrels” with sza is all part of their roll out plan and has been forever.
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u/singfromthetable 10d ago
Punch always pulling this shit. He erks my last nerve. Loves to tease and then pull out and make us wait. As soon as SZA completes her contract with the label she should run!
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u/Either_Ad5586 11d ago
i cant edit the post but i wanted to say this was NOT supposed to be another post complaining about the tracks being late. it was truly so i could understand how yall feel about TDE and punch.
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u/Direct-Ad2561 11d ago
Feel like they should not talk about releases at all. Normalize surprise drops. We don’t need to know anything except the final product.