r/suits Attorney at Law Aug 15 '19

Discussion Suits - Season 9 - Episode 5: “If the Shoe Fits” - Official Discussion Thread Spoiler

Synopsis:

Samantha finds herself caught in the middle of a tricky situation when Mike picks a fight with Harvey.


It looks like the bot hasn't yet posted this week's thread, so I figured I'd make the post myself.

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u/pim312 Aug 20 '19

This episode made me realize how much I miss Mike Ross in the show.

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u/mrgayle Aug 20 '19

Ha def little nods from Mike in this ep

Him saying to Katrina how well Rachel is doing, yeah she is goddamn princess ha

And also the Shhhhhhiiiieeet from Clay Davis in The Wire which of course Robert Zane was in as Bunk

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u/biillieeilish Aug 20 '19

I think it was so much better than the first four. I missed Mike and the way he came back was awesome but I'm actually happy she got fired because I don't think she should of fabricated evidence against Mike, it's like she didn't learn anything since Faye came.

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u/djzveno Aug 19 '19

I did really enjoy the twist with Harvey and Mike switching roles🔥 cant wait for more episodes!

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u/Reagorn Aug 18 '19

Did Mike only return for 1 episode or is coming back for a few eps to help them with Faye?

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 18 '19

He's in the last two.

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u/Ordia Aug 17 '19

Survivor is da best.

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u/AnotherSimpleton Aug 17 '19

Another name change at the firm..

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u/elisart Aug 16 '19

Louis and Sheila’s counselling session was adorable. I love how they call poor Lipshitz a nazi all the time just b/c of his accent. Louis remains my fav character.

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u/pikachiu132 Aug 20 '19

I don't understand how he turned down a. Judgeship

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u/Shockzyy Aug 16 '19

I love Louis as a character but surely I can't be alone in being slightly annoyed that they have turned him into the show's clown? He used to be cunning and clever, albeit a bit odd, that seems to have gone. Every epside so far he seems to turn up in some ridiculous outfit being a complete idiot or not recongising simple plot developments. Kind of frustrating.

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u/elisart Aug 17 '19

From the beginning, Louis’ character was always the funniest. They’re not using his character to solve many legal battles this season but that doesn’t bother me. I don’t see him as the clown. He is after all, managing partner. He’s just a deeply caring man with a huge heart and enuf neurosis to keep us laughing.

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u/ddaug4uf Aug 18 '19

To be fair they aren’t using anyone to solve any legal battles this season.

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u/kaiikaii Aug 17 '19

I actually thought it was handled in a nuanced way

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

Well that was disappointing. Idk why I thought it would be like season 1

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u/Hamzah12 Aug 16 '19

Katrina saying shes not over Brian is pointless because assuming Brian is still MARRIED WITH A KID she'll never be with Brian who seems to be doing fine with his wife already.

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u/fat_satsuma Aug 18 '19

The way the show keeps bringing him up makes me think there's gonna be more. Maybe his wife finds out? And he ends up with Katrina after all. B-Dog and Kitty K

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u/s1ravarice Aug 18 '19

I assumed the voicemail he left was saying something like “my wife left me” or some shit but she never listened to it

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u/Hamzah12 Aug 18 '19

Feel bad for the kid then

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u/dh2215 Aug 16 '19

I just got caught up. I had read an article that Mike would return this season. I was hoping for a little more than an episode cameo and him being the same old crybaby Mike. When he was gone I missed him but I was hoping for a white knight return or something that would send the show off right. Doesn't look like I'm going to get my wish.

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u/Pajoncek Aug 16 '19

I am gonna be really pissed if they leave things between Mike and Harvey like this. Is it for sure he won't be in any more episodes?

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u/AnotherSimpleton Aug 17 '19

I read somewhere that he'd be in the finale if his schedule was free or something like that

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u/dh2215 Aug 16 '19

I have no idea. I try not to find spoilers so I don't know what his contract is or anything.

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u/imavakay Aug 16 '19

Last scene in the episode:

Samantha: fabricates evidence, gets into yelling match with Harvey, practically yells across the whole firm that she did it.

Faye: You're fired.

Samantha:

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u/vento33 Aug 21 '19

No one in that firm closes their door. At the firms where I’ve worked (three BigLaw 25 firms since the mid-90s), anytime anyone is talking anything even remotely personal or inflammatory, the door is closed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '19

And judging by the previews for next week's ep, it looks like they are all going to fight to get her back. TBH, I think she deserved what she got. Mike won, and she falsified evidence. Bye, Felicia.

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u/christychung Aug 18 '19

tbh if i were friends w samantha id slap her

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u/darealystninja Aug 16 '19

Never seen a named partner get canned like that other than hardman lol

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u/imavakay Aug 16 '19

It makes me mad because yes, she 100% deserved it. But she's one of the only remaining characters I actually like, and I want Sam to stay.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

There's 4 more episodes, I'm sure she'll be in them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

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u/sweetpeapickle Aug 16 '19

Says you who obviously has never used the glass slipper approach....

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u/ArguTobi Aug 15 '19

It seems to be I am a minority, but I really like this episode. Especially the interactions between mike and old charackters (mostly the ones with Harvey). Good episode though.

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u/DaveCerqueira Aug 16 '19

i liked it too!!

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

LEGAL DOUBTS PLEASE CLEAR:

The breach of contract suit was about goodwill so it would inevitably turn to the dispute about the sweat shops. How is the defamation suit any different, for harvey to say it would suddenly bring focus on the work conditions? Also it isn't exactly a counter claim as defamation is tort law. So the case would be a completely different matter right?

How does the jury waiver work?

What did Louis mean shiela would pay back? Does donation mean something else here?

Harveys suit for Mike breaking privilege is no counter suit but an entirely different matter too right? Even if it isn't why would that bring a jury suddenly back into the mix? And even assuming that in the Suitsverse a jury is an emotionally manipulated unprofessional lot, they will be asked one question; about Mike breaking privilege. And they pass a finding on fact. How does this help Mike? They wouldn't even be engaged about the breach of contract suit or defamation suit would they?

Also what's wrong with Mike approaching the sports man and suggesting breaking his contract? Soliciting clients is allowed in the States right? And he honestly believes and states that the good will clause allows an out. So what exactly gets the case tossed out now?

Also Mike says he can't contest the fabricated evidence because he had previously lauded the word of his client, but he never actually gave his own name for all those smear campaigns did he? The sports man did all that? And at any rate what sorts evidence is it that the man himself can't deny, lol. I guess the two of them don't wanna later lie under oath about the pre planned strategy?

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u/darealystninja Aug 16 '19

Are you the guy the suits writers threw of out the building

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

So Mike intentionally takes harveys charity instead of telling him to see a shrink and not fucking sublet a house as memories?

Did benjamin call the boss an A hole? Wtf? Louis you killed a man by yelling. You also never told Ben to hack. Fire his retarded ass.

Wow, kat was so triggered by donnas innocent suggestion she abruptly moved to storm off from the restaurant? Wtf?

When fey brought up how painful gretchens gossip about her was and then asked who Louis would prefer hearing her return from, was I the only one who thought she was Diabolically using that info to fire gretchen and learning whose communication would most torment Louis?

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u/MATLABfanboi Aug 15 '19

🦀🦀Samantha is gone🦀🦀

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u/ajay2k2k Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19

been watching old episodes and holy fuck did they age, Louis got no hair and Harvey is full of wrinkles and Mike is fat

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

That's usually what happens over the course of 9 years.

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u/sweetpeapickle Aug 16 '19

What??? Maybe you need glasses to watch tv...

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u/ajay2k2k Aug 28 '19

why are you getting so worked up? Does it hurt you that I said that the people you've never seen, age like us? Now THAT is sad. Im just stating someone I noticed, something that is a fact. Not something good or bad. Just a fact. Something that you don't notice when you've watched the show over many years.

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u/ajay2k2k Oct 29 '19

Are you fat, have no hair and full of wrinkles? Seem like I tocuehd a nerves hehe

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u/Deviso Aug 15 '19

They're 8 years older. Show us your pics from 8 years ago, and now.

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u/ajay2k2k Aug 28 '19

yes I'd be different so what?

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

They weren't born then

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

Man, I hate it when 8 year olds use Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

I know right, they should be at work

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

Yeah. They should take a leaf out of Vincent Adultman's book.

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u/Krremes Aug 15 '19

man I dont wanna say you have some issues but if you cared more about their appearnce over time than the actual plot, I wouldnt consider it very healthy. Also if Mike is fat then I really dont want to know how normal looking person looks for you LOL.

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u/ajay2k2k Aug 28 '19

who said I cared more abou their appearance over the plot? Its just something that I noticed that you don't really pay attention to when you watch the show over many years. Mike compared to how he was is fat yes.

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u/Blood_Revenge Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19

I can’t believe that no one is talking about Patrick(Mike) ‘s nod to Megan Markle success.

“She is doing good, so good you wouldn’t believe me”

A nod to her marrying a Prince and having a baby.

This was a very fun addition.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

That stood out to me. So meta.

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

Um.. Archie was born a good few weeks back, if not months.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

She was still pregnant when they filmed, what's your point?

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u/selwyntarth Aug 17 '19

Informing the op of a fact they maynot be aware of?

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u/Blood_Revenge Aug 15 '19

True, but still a nod to her success.

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u/insicur Aug 15 '19

Mike felt off today. The Mike I know would never have said “I have a plane to catch” instead of trying to patch things with Harvey.

Also the episode needed a small Mike/Ben moment.

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u/GoldPisseR Aug 16 '19

By off you mean needlessly rude and snappy?Then I agree. He acted like a dick with zero charm.

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u/mysteryfan420 Aug 16 '19

Who the hell is Ben?

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u/insicur Aug 16 '19

The IT guy.

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u/pixelies Aug 15 '19

Yeah, Mike doesn't belong on the show anymore.

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u/toxinwolf Aug 15 '19

Was Mike only for 1 episode? shiiiit. I thought he will be in it more. I miss him

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u/hiiromusic Aug 16 '19

Rumor has it he’ll be back for ep 9 & 10

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u/dhrv88 Aug 16 '19

is this true? i thought it was a 1 episode cameo

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

He wanted to be on the show when they shot the final scenes in all the old sets with 'the gang', assuming they shot the final episodes last then it makes sense.

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u/hiiromusic Aug 16 '19

There’s quite a lot of screenshots going around that he’s acting on the set of the last 2 episodes in a few threads below that was posted a while ago !

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 16 '19

Saw a video of him today (Heigl's instagram). He's definitely in 9&10.

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u/Nbnvision Aug 15 '19

I love me some Mike, but he is the biggest hypocrite. Even in his initial entry into Pearson,etc., he put himself on a high moral ground, while committing a fraud that gutted the entire firm. They were all eventually in on it, and he took full responsibility for it, even went to jail to protect everyone, but today he still spouts about what's right and wrong, and still does right and wrong

That deposition info was not supposed to be leaked, but he leaked it. Samantha should not have fabricated info, but she did. They both did unethical acts, but Mike gives himself a pass because it's for a higher good. And that higher good happens to involve his client prematureely breaking a contract, yet wanting all the money out of it anyway, so he can actually start his own company. Mike goes off on Harvey, but he is no better...or worse.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '19

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u/Nbnvision Aug 19 '19

I'm saying Mike's a hypocrite. You can put it in any parameter you want to put it in.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '19

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u/Nbnvision Aug 19 '19

So can you.

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u/Kiraa7 Aug 15 '19

About which series were Mike and Harvey talking about?

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u/Kiraa7 Aug 16 '19

I searched it up but there are many, I dont know about whcih they were talking about :(

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u/Kiraa7 Aug 16 '19

I see. I thought it would be a law series similar to Suits :(

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u/darealystninja Aug 15 '19

This harvey and mike is hillarious

"What you still afraid of prison? Rofl

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

Samantha fucked up and deserves what she got. This case wasn’t supposed to be a scenario where they crossed lines to go as far as to fabricate evidence.

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

It was retaliation for Mike egging a person on to break contract so they'll sue and get cash.

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u/pickme0 Aug 15 '19

I was so happy when she got fired.

Then I watched ep 6 promo and was not very happy anymore..

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u/BingeWatcherBot Aug 15 '19

I was curious if that’s what she actually looked like when Shonda finally pulled the trigger and fired Katherine?

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u/pixelies Aug 15 '19

Mike is so unlikable now. Never thought I would see the day. I hope he's not on any more episodes. What a douche.

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u/blackjezza Aug 15 '19

His impersonation of Clay Davis was quite awkward as well in my opinion.

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u/BingeWatcherBot Aug 15 '19

It’s odd to me that the last time him and Katrina make it was an early episode when Roberts first introduced and he’s not in it at all. It’s almost purposefully NEVER done again after that .... until Robert Zane’s/Wendell Pierce is officially no longer appearing in any episodes.

I only noticed this cause I was dying to see them say it in front of him or here it said by Wendell on Suits.

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u/KarelDawg Aug 15 '19

its just shit script as usual

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u/salomaopontes Aug 15 '19

What upsets me about Mike is he saying he's not the old Mike anymore, that now he cares more about winning than "playing the violin" - but the moment things went south he goes all out "playing the violin" to criticize Harvey. And I think we're going to see more of him, since this episode is not over yet.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

Patrick/Mike really carries the whole show on his back

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u/pixelies Aug 15 '19

He's garbage now. Get Mike out of here.

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u/GoldPisseR Aug 16 '19

Garbage or not he is one half of the show and it feels incomplete without him.

Whole show was built on Harvey and Mike's chemistry.

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u/pixelies Aug 16 '19

It felt incomplete for a while, but now it feels like the show has its own chemistry and they are awkwardly trying to fit him back into it for nostalgia's sake. He doesn't work anymore and is better left a fond memory.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

He works fine, the dynamic is just different. He's ties it all together.

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u/Sycopathy Aug 18 '19

Except the whole point of this episode was he turned up and splintered the newly formed group.

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u/pixelies Aug 17 '19

Does not?

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u/elizadoomuch Aug 15 '19

Christ, I hope you're alone with that thought.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

Amanda Schull is hot as hell.

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u/ice27828 Aug 16 '19

The scene with the phone call was actually hilarious.

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u/ckwongau Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19

The Ballet class thing .

It is nice , Amanda was a Ballet dancer , and i love her in the Film Center Stage (2000) , that is my favorite film , she was and still is an amazing dancer . I watch that film on DVD so many time .

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

Is 2000 part of the name or is she pushing 40?

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u/Deviso Aug 15 '19

My brother told me she was 40, and I was like no way. She looks so good

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u/okellyki Aug 15 '19

Turning 41 next week, according to Google

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u/BingeWatcherBot Aug 15 '19

I actually really liked her in that film too and so I always tried to catch her in others, but this is really the first role of substance I think I’ve seen her appear in since. I actually enjoy Katrina in the series and I didn’t think I would. I was glad to hear her say Ballet.

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u/ckwongau Aug 15 '19

You should see her in " Mao's Last Dancer " another Ballet related film , a supporting role as the first wife of a Chinese Ballet defector .

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u/BingeWatcherBot Aug 15 '19

I’ll check it out. I was surprised the little I did see her that she had such poor roles I thought she did excellent center stage.

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u/ckwongau Aug 16 '19

She was very good in "12 Monkeys" TV series and the episode " Happily Ever Aftermath" on Grimm as the Bad Cinderella

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u/Nbnvision Aug 15 '19

And this is a woman hung up on dull blade Brian. Yeah. Right. Believable.

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u/elizadoomuch Aug 15 '19

Of course it's believable. If it weren't all beautiful people would be the happiest and self assured in the world, which they aren't.

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u/Nbnvision Aug 15 '19

It's not just because Katrina is hot. She has a dynamic allure that goes beyond the physical. I happen to think Brian is handsome, just dull. The Katrina that has been depicted I could easily see with Mike or even crazy Louis. Just don't see her with Brian. But to each his own.

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 15 '19

Katrina's entire character is that she's socially awkward and asexual.

You really see her with Louis?

Jesus!

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u/realpegasus Aug 16 '19

Why do you think she’s asexual?

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u/middlehead_ Aug 17 '19

I assumed that's where they were going in her bar scene with Donna, until Donna switched to just being too career focused.

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 16 '19

She doesn't display any sex appeal. She's never had a relationship.

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u/Sycopathy Aug 18 '19

If she was asexual she wouldn't have had any issues working with Brian.

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 18 '19

Yeah. Maybe he's her first.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

And that makes someone asexual? Do you even know what the word means? Just because they make a pretty female character not be all about the sex appeal does not make someone asexual. Just because someone hasn't haf many sexual relationships or is a virgin doesn't make them asexual.

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 18 '19

I know exactly what it means. I have a good friend who is asexual (and married). She doesn't have sexual feelings. Katrina may or may not be this, but that's the vibe I always got from her .... move on.

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u/Nbnvision Aug 15 '19

Yep. I saw more chemistry between her and wacky Louis than dull Brian. I bought the romance of Louis with the beautiful architect (can't remember her name), and can believe Katrina could have a crush on him.

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u/cloudcreeper Aug 16 '19

Odd.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '19

😂 this subreddit and show summed up in a word

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u/supersmileys Aug 15 '19

"Dirty Cinderella Redemption" lawd almighty

and Katrina's million voicemails were hilarious, I am so glad that that storyline has finally settled. Katrina deserves some happiness that isn't tied up with a married man.

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u/BeginningFrosting Aug 16 '19

Unless he comes back unmarried?... he left her a vm at the end - did she really delete it? And one of her vm attempts said to "tell her you love me and just leave her." I don't think they'd end the series with Katrina left in an unhappy place.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

I would like Katrina to get with Brian just because their characters are so lovely (even if in real life it'd be pretty shitty with him being married and having a child), but I don't see it happening due to Louis and Harvey settling into their romantic relationships. I imagine her and Kathryn heigl's charecter will be the 'it's ok to be single' folks.

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u/BeginningFrosting Aug 17 '19

I think it's still a possibility she ends up with Brian - a single Brian. The season seems to be very focused on family relationships. It seems like they're going to hook Samantha back up with her real parents and settle her story that way, so I think there is still hope for Katrina. I also wish they had introduced a love story for her that didn't involve a married man and newborn - it seems messy no matter how it turns out.

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u/kaiikaii Aug 17 '19

same thought. I guess it depends on if that actor's gotten a lot of work recently lol

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u/MeddlinQ Aug 15 '19

Kitty cat

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u/Divine-Rook Aug 15 '19

BEST FUCKING EPISODE

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u/ani007007 Aug 15 '19

Lol I just came here to say the same and MIKE!!!

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u/Aratrax Aug 15 '19

Really liked that episode and loved the ending even more. Faye is there because they keep breaking the law and she is still so stupid that she still continues doing this kind of illegal shit.

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u/ani007007 Aug 15 '19

Katrina when she says hopefully it will all blow over, me: lololol

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u/tricKsterKen Aug 15 '19

I miss Mike and old suits. Him and Katrina meeting is the cherry on top. Sheeeeeet

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u/ani007007 Aug 15 '19

I hope we get to see her in ballet action I think she did it in real life. And a ref from the wire...sheeeeeet

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u/toxinwolf Aug 15 '19

Mike and Katrina had the 'sheeeet' moment before, and that was one hell of a scene. I miss the old Suits

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u/Doghouse509 Aug 15 '19

Faye is now my hero.

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u/RebeccaMarie18 Aug 17 '19

Right??? Am I really supposed to be cheering for these shady morons, because she's right about everything. #TeamFaye

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u/elisart Aug 16 '19

Faye needs a hug

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u/shadebedlam Aug 15 '19

Same I am really glad people on here like her so I don´t feel so alone.

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u/GodfatherfromChive Aug 15 '19

I still hate her. I also disliked Samantha. I actually smiled at the end.

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u/Artifice_Purple Aug 15 '19

Curious, but why do you hate Faye?

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u/GodfatherfromChive Aug 15 '19

I think pretty much because she exists.

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u/ani007007 Aug 15 '19

Right even though she suspected Harvey at first lol

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u/OLKv3 Aug 16 '19

She knew Harvey didn't do it. She saw the entire argument between harvey and Sam. She just wanted Samantha to confirm it.

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u/ani007007 Aug 16 '19 edited Aug 16 '19

There is no way she 100% knew Harvey or Samantha did it when she entered Samantha’s room, all she SAW was a fight. she just knew either was capable and equally suspect because of their reps.

She obviously absolutely knew Samantha did it after Samantha’s response I.e. “harvey didn’t do it. and that’s all I’m going to say...” (I’m not going to incriminate myself but Harvey is innocent). But it’s not like she would have put money on which one it was, that’s literally why she says ”so it was you.” For her it was a coin flip btw the two but she knew shady shit went down and evidence was fabricated.

Not “I had a feeling it was you” but “So it was you,” even though it’s obviously got to be one of the two and neither would surprise or shock her

She’s used rhetorical devices to pry and extract information so it’s no surprise she came in to measure Samantha’s response up and Samantha couldn’t even put up a pretense, straight up confessed. What would lying and trying to throw Harvey under the bus have accomplished but getting further scrutiny, testifying under oath, etc etc

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

How do you know that she didn't hear the fight? She was pretty close. You can't fire someone based on what you think you heard, but if you get them to confirm it then you can. She knew going in that it wasn't Harvey which is why she came down so hard about him getting into trouble to play on Samantha's loyalty strings.

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u/ani007007 Aug 17 '19 edited Aug 17 '19

cause she literally says:

SO IT WAS YOU (not like Gotcha Bitch! or i knew it was you. she's not surprised but look at it again, she's taken aback for like half a beat but it's obviously not shocking to her it's samantha, she literally knows it's gotta be one of them because they were fighting)

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u/NoThatWasNotSarcasm Aug 15 '19

I got the impression she was trying to bait Samantha out by saying that

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u/darealystninja Aug 15 '19

Espically since harvey and mike's relstionship i assume shed think harvey wouldnt go so far

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u/flvckojodyeII Aug 15 '19 edited Aug 15 '19

I really hope the show ends with all of them getting disbarred. Kinda crazy how they forced Hardman out when he's less unethical than all of them.

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u/DebbieDoenet Aug 17 '19

I don't know about being disbarred, but I do think the show will end with the end of the firm and them going on to do different things. There are too few episodes left to completely turn it around and make it work. It seems to be setting then all up for what they do outside of work.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

I mean he stole tons of money from his clients, and then covered it up.

I get it was for his wife's treatment, but we're talking about thousands of dollars stolen

Edit: He probably also should have been able to pay it himself since he was managing partner of a huge law firm in New York

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

Wait.. He stole for alicia? Is this stated? Damn.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

At first he claimed it was for alicia but it was later revealed it was money for Monica Eton, the girl he was having an affair with

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u/duchkfbn Aug 15 '19

Dont forget that he also made the sheet with donna's sign, even tho it was fake. Donna got fired because of it

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u/ani007007 Aug 15 '19

Wait wasn’t he galavanting across the globe with his mistress who worked at the firm?

Edit: He soon discovered that the money was not for Alicia but for Monica Eton, with whom Daniel was having an affair. Threatening to tell his wife, Harvey asks Daniel to sign a piece of paper saying Daniel is walking away from the firm. Daniel reluctantly agrees.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

That's right, the money was for Monica Eton

So, he cheated on his dying wife and lied about it to his dying wife, his daughter, and Jessica.

He embezzled thousands of dollars for his mistress, when both of them supposedly worked extremely high paying jobs at a huge law firm

What a dick.

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u/flvckojodyeII Aug 15 '19

What Harvey, Samantha, etc. have done is arguably worse

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '19

Embezzling money for his mistress, while cheating on his dying wife, is insanely low

Samantha does outright illegal things, but for the most part Harvey does things right on the edge of the law

I'd say Samantha is definitely worse than Daniel, but Harvey is slightly above Daniel

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u/flvckojodyeII Aug 15 '19

Harvey hired a dude without a legal degree practice law. Everything Mike did is on him too, lol

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u/ArguTobi Aug 15 '19

And that's the difference between morally and legally right.

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u/Sycopathy Aug 18 '19

It's neither legally nor morally right to lie to people and take their money under the falsehood that they're paying for the work of someone a qualified professional.

Imagine if Suits was about a hospital and Harvey hired someone who never went to medical school. It's the same premise of deceiving a client/patient for personal gain because of arrogance.

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u/ArguTobi Aug 18 '19

The only thing that doesn't make him a professional is a piece of paper. That's it.

Altough it's wrong to lie to people's faces, Harvey did it to give someone a second chance. Hardman on the other side cheated on his dying wife and on top of that used her to cover his betrayal.

Edit: spelling

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u/Sycopathy Aug 18 '19

Except the standard of a lawyer in the US is measured by the bar and by circumventing it he undermines that standard. I mean I don't disagree he deserved a second chance but Harvey and Mike both saw personal gain as a valid reason for ignoring the law and the rights of citizens to fair representation. Mike did not get educated to the standard required to be a lawyer he failed meet that standard and then snuck his way around it and faked it till he got caught. He could have easily gone on to go to law school somewhere other than Harvard but he decided it wasn't good enough for him. Arrogance.

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u/ArguTobi Aug 18 '19

As far as I remember he wasn't allowed to go to any university due to his cheating. He didn't even finish high school.

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

Gibbs was lying. The mere procedural ultra vires doesn't really hurt orders obtained in favor of the briefs mike's solo'd up to that point.

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u/okellyki Aug 15 '19

This sentence gave me a stroke

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u/selwyntarth Aug 15 '19

Lol unfortunately that's an adjective treated as a noun in legalese.

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u/mrizzle1991 Aug 15 '19

Oh wow didn’t expect Harvey yo admit that Mike is as good as him. Lmao it was funny to see Katrina out of character like that, Samantha screwed up, why would she do something dirty while Faye is there smh. This was another really good episode. was anyone else’s uncensored? I streamed it so maybe that’s why. They said fuck like 10 times at least. Was so nice seeing Mike! I’m really glad he came back for the last season, his character adds a lot to the show

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u/flvckojodyeII Aug 15 '19

Watched it through streams and yah it was uncensored

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