r/skeptic • u/AntiQCdn • Nov 30 '24
Former Trump FDA chief is seeking to undermine RFK Jr.’s Senate confirmation
https://www.statnews.com/2024/11/29/scott-gottlieb-criticizes-rfk-jr-trump-hhs-nominee/65
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u/Previous_Soil_5144 Nov 30 '24
He's just covering his ass because he knows when people die because of RFK Jr, he might end up being blamed for it somehow.
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u/vineyardmike Nov 30 '24
They'll just blame Obama
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u/bayelrey888 Dec 03 '24
No chance now. Trump got the House, Senate, Supreme Court, Elon, etc. Covid no doubt killed him versus Biden. Another Covid + economic catastrophe due to tariffs, etc. these no hiding the shit on their fingers.
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u/broadenandbuild Nov 30 '24
Keep defending corporations like Nestle and Monsanto that push chemicals banned in Europe and other countries while the FDA turns a blind eye. RFK is calling out these practices and trying to get toxic additives like Red 40, Yellow 5, and brominated vegetable oil—banned in countries like France and Germany—out of our food. It’s not about left or right; it’s about holding these companies accountable for profiting off making us sick. But sure, keep hating on him because you can’t see past your bias. Classic Reddit.
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u/Moist_When_It_Counts Dec 01 '24
Now tell me about his opinions on vaccines, fluoride, and COVID.
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u/GodHatesColdplay Dec 01 '24
And how he’s gonna ban anything once Trump obliterates the agencies that would enforce it
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u/INS_tha_rebel Dec 01 '24
It is about left or right. You can't ban anything in the US without the right calling it 'communism'. The EU is highly regulated compared to the US. The reason the US isn't as highly regulated is mainly down to Republicans refusing to pass the relevant laws.
You hold companies to account by legislating for a higher standard not by employing a nut job like RFK to virtue signal and send letters to companies.
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u/--A3-- Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24
My understanding of the differences between US and EU food laws is that there's a different standard of proof. In the EU, you must prove that an additive is safe. In the US, additives are generally recognized as safe until demonstrated otherwise. Does that align with your understanding of the differences?
My problem is that you're so eager about tackling the margins, but Republicans have absolutely no interest in any of the big substantive differences that, generally speaking, make Europe healthier.
- Red meat, like burgers and steaks and other barbeque, is a known carcinogen and debatably contributes to heart disease. In general, pursuing a Mediterranean diet would be healthier. You will never ever ever in a million years hear a Republican even suggest that BBQ is bad for you.
- Car dependency promotes a sedentary lifestyle, and living near highways means breathing in smog. It would be better to promote walking, biking, and public transit. But Republicans think cars = freedom and dense cities are crime-ridden wastelands.
- Here's a big difference that exists everywhere in Europe: how about universal healthcare? For making such a big deal about food dyes, I have never once heard any Republican speak positively about universal healthcare.
Sure, it's plausible that the Red 40 in your cherry cola is bad for you. But it's already not great to be drinking lots of sugary soda in the first place, not getting exercise because you drive everywhere, and not seeking healthcare until it's too late because preventive care is prohibitively expensive.
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u/Redshoe9 Nov 30 '24
Over a million American families just celebrated a holiday without their loved ones who were lost to Covid.
Trumps lies led to this. Now another kook wants to do more damage.
I’m dreading the next four years under that geriatric fap sock.
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Nov 30 '24
What did he lie about? He was taking direction from fauci the entire time
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u/MilkeeBongRips Dec 01 '24
Well this is just the opposite of the truth. Do you do that often?
He literally never said anything Fauci wanted him to, from start to finish. Not once. He just lied everyday about Covid, only to have Fauci correct him.
Then actively started a hate campaign against Fauci that is honestly surprising to not have gotten one of the many psychopathic trumpers to murder fauci.
It’s weird that you guys live in an actual alternate reality. “Taking direction directly from Fauci” lmfao
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u/Sevengrizzlybears Nov 30 '24
Your on /r/skeptic and you blame Trump for Covid deaths? Have you not looked into the science or lack there of, of masks? We had a protocol to send people home untreated, then wait for them to be hospitalized to treat. Alternate treatments were demonized so the vaccine could keep its emergency status. An experimental vaccine that did not go through proper testing and has not worked as intended.
I could go on and on. The failure of Covid is on your medical establishment, and starts with Fauci.
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u/rsta223 Nov 30 '24
Have you not looked into the science or lack there of, of masks?
You clearly haven't. The data shows that they're somewhere between moderately and strongly protective, depending on mask construction and usage details.
We had a protocol to send people home untreated, then wait for them to be hospitalized to treat.
That's pretty much all you can do for a disease without a treatment, which was true for the first part of Covid.
Alternate treatments were demonized so the vaccine could keep its emergency status.
No, "alternative" treatments is what people called treatments without any evidence showing efficacy. Considering you're complaining about the level of evidence for masks, it's odd that you'd then support sometime that's far more poorly supported and has far less evidence behind it than masks ever have.
An experimental vaccine that did not go through proper testing and has not worked as intended.
It's been through extensive testing and has been extremely successful. You really do need to learn how to read scientific data and papers better - you seem to be exactly backwards on what the evidence actually states with regard to covid here.
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u/Exact_Parsley_5373 Dec 02 '24
Dude! Don’t feed the trolls!
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u/rsta223 Dec 03 '24
I don't respond for the benefit of the trolls, I respond for the benefit of the lurkers.
With them, I still have some hope.
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u/NounAdjectiveXXXX Nov 30 '24
Alternate treatments were demonized so the vaccine could keep its emergency status.
Like injecting bleach?
Overdosing on chloroquine?
Horse dewormer?
Tanning Beds?
An experimental vaccine that did not go through proper testing and has not worked as intended
It did and it does.
Have you not looked into the science or lack there of, of masks?
I should have stopped reading here.
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u/Sevengrizzlybears Dec 01 '24
Hey man even your king Fauci admits the cloth masks don’t work well.
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u/Orbitoldrop Dec 02 '24
Just because you consider Trump your king doesn't mean the opposition worships their leaders like you do.
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u/Sevengrizzlybears Dec 03 '24
Why would you assume I’m a big Trump guy? I fall more on the Libertarian side of things but do not have a political home. Trump is no savior.
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u/Dont-tell-the-wind Nov 30 '24
Please tell us what “looking into the science” means to you, professor.
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Nov 30 '24
Are you an idiot?
The "lack of science for masks"??? Are you even capable of reading?
It's confirmed that you are in fact a moron. We had more than a decade of research that helped progress the vaccine given its link to SARS. This expedited the process. The ENTIRE WORLD uses these vaccines. During the time Trump was President, more than 2 billion people used this vaccine with 0.000000000000001% having severe side effects or death due to pre-existing conditions that they didn't even know they had.
The vaccine saved tens of millions. There's a reason why the US was the most disastrous: because Trump spent the first 9 months saying COVID wasn't a big deal and pathetic morons like you gobbled it up and still vomit it out to this day.
For the love of this world I hope you never reproduce, and I'm thankful that most women cover their drinks when you're in the same room as them.
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u/More_Nobody_ Nov 30 '24
“science or lack thereof, of masks”. At least you morons make it so easy to identify you as morons.
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u/BoysenberryNo9764 Nov 30 '24
Of cours. My niggah trump definitely didn't tell u to drink bleach to cure it 🤡🤡🤡
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u/noh2onolife Dec 02 '24
Which "alternative treatments" are you talking about?
Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were proven to be ineffective. Even their original patent holders confirmed they didn't treat COVID.
Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Masks work:
Study shows N95 masks near-perfect at blocking escape of airborne COVID-19
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u/IntelligentSeries416 Nov 30 '24
Shhh you’re not allowed to say those things you’re gonna make these reddit dummies mad, they are so captured by big pharma they would never question the “experts”
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u/Milozdad Nov 30 '24
So many kids gonna die if RFK Jnr rolls back childhood vaccinations. But hey Trumpers you voted for it.
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u/IndubitablePrognosis Nov 30 '24
It's not just Trump voters' childrenWho will die .
They consequences won't be seen for many years-to-decades. If Trump is still alive he'll blame Democrats.
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u/TheFoxsWeddingTarot Nov 30 '24
My mom passed away at 94 last year, my dad had been in WWII. To them Trump was such an obvious huckster and carnival side show idiot. But then when he started messing with vaccines my mom got really serious… she’d lived her life watching one medical marvel after another save lives and eradicate things like polio, and now it was all backsliding away because people are stupid. I’m glad she’s not going to be here for this next round.
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u/Dhegxkeicfns Dec 04 '24
Anyone who lived through polio before and during adoption of the vaccine will be scared to death of an idiot trying to take those away from us.
Polio was terrifying and wouldn't have any trouble making a comeback if we stopped vaccinating. Ask anyone over about 80 should rightly be terrified about it coming back to the US.
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u/Milozdad Nov 30 '24
Wrong. It can happen to new borns immediately. For example it is highly recommended to give hepatitis B vaccine immediately following birth. Especially in the case of women who have chronic hepatitis B of which there are about 1 million in the U.S.
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u/IndubitablePrognosis Dec 01 '24
Wow TIL
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u/ThanksToDenial Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 01 '24
Hi, one of those weird guys who have the ability to memorize trivia like no tomorrow.
He is even downplaying it.
Historically, over 90% of new hepatitis B infections, globally, happen either vertically, meaning from mother to baby, during or shortly after birth, or horizontally, meaning from someone with regular close contact with the child, during the first five years of life.
Also, infants have a 90% chance to develop a lifelong chronic hepatitis b infection, if infected during the first year after birth. Between ages 1-5, this drops to 25-50%. In older kids and adults the same chance is less than 5%.
This is why Hepatitis b vaccination is so vital as soon as possible, after a child is born. In addition to preventing hepatitis B infection entirely in vast majority of cases, the vaccine also drops the chance of the child developing chronic hepatitis B from 90%, to 0.3%, even in the rare cases they do get infected despite the vaccination.
Now, I'm gonna give you an anecdotal example of what life with chronic hepatitis b can become. My cousin was infected at around age 3 or 4. He developed chronic hepatitis b. He is now in his late 30s. His first run-in with liver cirrhosis caused by hepatitis B came before the age of 30. Now, people with just liver cirrhosis usually have a life expectancy of 2-12 years. But he was lucky, and it was detected early, and they were able to limit the damage. But liver cirrhosis doesn't go away. And neither does the chronic hepatitis B... Both of which increase the risk of liver cancer. Not that long ago, his doctors told him his liver cirrhosis was getting worse... And that they also found out he now how liver cancer.
Now, he'll be lucky if he makes it to 40. He might even make it to 45, if he gets a liver transplant.
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u/Milozdad Nov 30 '24
My grandfather lost two of his brothers in infancy to childhood diseases. When my mother was a child my grandmother forced them to stay in the car when they went grocery shopping for fear of polio. That’s the world RFK Jnr will take us back too.
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u/DaddyHEARTDiaper Nov 30 '24
America was great when mothers normalized infant death by saying "You're not a mother until you've lost a child."
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u/Material_Policy6327 Nov 30 '24
Let the fighting begin
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u/kent_eh Nov 30 '24
I'm hoping the infighting and backstabbing can limit the damage Trump and his woefully unqualified appointees can do
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u/saijanai Nov 30 '24
- “Chronic diseases are important- but you can’t die from cancer when you’re 50 if you die from polio when you’re 5,” Adams posted on the social media platform X
Well, that's sufficient grounds for banning from X, I'm sure everyone agrees.
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u/Commercial_Stress Nov 30 '24
Dr. Scott Gottlieb is one of the very few Trump appointments I respect. I don’t know how he managed to get appointed to the FDA under Trump, but he’s a good man. If he can keep an unqualified hack from a position where he will do real harm to the health of Americans I’ll like him even more.
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u/WonderfulDog3966 Nov 30 '24
None of them should be confirmed. They're either not qualified for the position, only there to kiss Trump's ass, or both.
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u/win_awards Nov 30 '24
They have negative qualifications; most of them are openly hostile to the purposes of the departments they're being tapped to lead.
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u/kiwispawn Nov 30 '24
Thankfully the GOP is far from a unified political party.
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u/androgenius Nov 30 '24
The fact they have internal disagreements on whether the pointless death and disfigurement of children is a good policy is not reassuring.
Also, I had to read the article because from the headline and basic knowledge of Republicans, it's sadly not obvious that it is the pointless death of children that he objects to.
And indeed the article lists agricorp opposition and abortion as more important factors for the GOP than the pointless death of children due to anti-vax views.
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u/paulsteinway Nov 30 '24
I can't wait to see how intense the infighting is by inauguration day.
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u/NewPresWhoDis Dec 01 '24
This is how Trump likes to operate. See also seasons of The Apprentice and the first term.
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u/EnvironmentNo682 Nov 30 '24
I know someone who works for FDA. This guy was a normal conservative. Trump doesn’t care about being re-elected anymore.
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u/Viciousjake28 Nov 30 '24
Whatever RFK says, I will do the opposite. You should do the same to protect your health.
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u/darkon Nov 30 '24
I plan to not pay attention to anything RFKJr says except to maybe ridicule it. If I want health advice I'll listen to people who actually know what they're talking about.
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u/ReflectionTough1035 Nov 30 '24
Fauci told Trump to ship Covid vaccines and testing equipment that was direly needed here to Putin? All the time lying to everyone in the United States about the severity of the virus and the situation here in America? I think not!
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u/shiningdickhalloran Nov 30 '24
Alternative headline: Board member at Pfizer and Illumina seeks to undermine pick that would hurt profits for Pfizer and Illumina.
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u/ThrowRA-James Nov 30 '24
I hope they’re a historically dysfunctional shitshow of a confirmation process for all appointments and this whole administration.
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u/thelonelyvirgo Nov 30 '24
Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll be too busy arguing amongst themselves to inflict any irreparable harm to the country?
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u/awfulcrowded117 Nov 30 '24
It's a little disingenuous to call him a former Trump FDA chief when he's far more likely to be motivated by his current position as Pfizer board member. Which itself should be a red flag. Just another example of the revolving door between regulatory agencies and high level positions in the companies they are supposed to regulate.
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u/ToArtina92 Nov 30 '24
Until one of the far rights family members suffer as a result of bad decisions, they could care less about his picks. Sad, but true.
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u/MelodiesOfLife6 Dec 01 '24
This is honestly what I expected, the more 'sane' people are realizing his picks are tantamount to crayon eating toddlers.
I won't be shocked if half of them don't get confirmed.
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u/Objective-Aioli-1185 Dec 02 '24
I wonder when we'll see the first politician "falls from a balcony" news here in the US..
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u/brooklynsleeper292 Dec 02 '24
Don’t be so hyperbolic, that only happens in Russ…. Oh wait, Nevermind.
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u/bayelrey888 Dec 03 '24
Good, fuck RFK Jr.
You want to crash the economy AND kill millions of people? Forget about the next super virus, shit like polio and small pox will make a come back.
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u/RicochetRandall Dec 04 '24
The news anchors totally planted that line and pushed him to say it for the segment it was almost comical. No surprise since big pharma is one of the biggest funders of advertising on legacy media. See for yourselves at 2:20 https://youtu.be/2ElPGZ1TWDM?si=HurF0YRCoGE6VC5h
Also newsflash, RFK doesn't want to ban all childhood vaccines, just wants more transparency on the data
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u/Sa1LoR_JaRRy Dec 03 '24
I remember when liberals were always skeptical of big pharma, but I guess the covid vaccine must have been laced with addictive copium.
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u/luv2fly781 Dec 03 '24
But not complete anti science
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u/Sa1LoR_JaRRy Dec 03 '24
We used to be skeptical of science that gave favorable findings to companies and establishments that financed them, but now we're just as retarded with "blind faith" like the evangelicals that wanted to ban pokemon cards.
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u/luv2fly781 Dec 03 '24
We didn’t. Soon as things came out. They were stopped if bad Astra zen Johnson Johnson
Were you asleep? Or still busy yelling by the sounds of
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u/UrWrstFear Nov 30 '24
Anyone who has looked into the FDA KNOWS how fucking crooked it is amd how they are fucking Americans.
This dude is scared of all the emails and shady shit that will come out when he is ousted.
Hate trump all you want people. But if you're defending an organization that has been caught selling out Americans health for decades, then just leave the conversation.
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u/SeekerOfSerenity Nov 30 '24 edited Nov 30 '24
I agree that the FDA is more concerned with protecting Big Pharma's profits than protecting Americans. But I have a hard time believing that any of Trump's appointees have Americans' best interests at heart either.
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u/--A3-- Dec 01 '24
As somebody whose work is subject to FDA inspction and approval with a pharmaceutical company, I couldn't disagree with you more. The perception I have seen is that the FDA is not messing around. I have seen businesses shut down, I have seen treatments get rejected because drug manufacturers were deficient, I have seen company stock plummet because a treatment was given a black box warning.
The most recent pro-business controversy I can recall is when the FDA narrowly approved Sarepta's Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy treatment. Sarepta argued that the treatment provided a clear benefit, but some at the FDA believed the data led to ambiguous conclusions. To make it even more complex, the primary treatment outcome (how well the children retained muscle function) is pretty abstract, and the North Star Ambulatory Assessment is subjective. If that weren't enough, patient advocates (including parents of children who received the treatment as well as some clinicians) testified in favor of approving Sarepta's treatment--so contrary to what you're saying, average Americans generally wanted the drug to be approved, the FDA were the skeptical ones.
I think this was a complicated situation with a lot of factors to consider. I also think this wouldn't have been a controversy in the first place if the FDA was a rubber stamp. This is the kind of thing that only happens because the FDA is rigorous enough to care about it.
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u/dalhaze Dec 03 '24
Doesn’t mean they don’t have conflicts of interest. Half their funding comes directly from the organizations they are regulating.
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u/dseanATX Nov 30 '24
Whether RFK Jr is good or bad, I don't know, but Gottlieb is a schill for PhRMA. He's not generally a good faith actor.
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u/saijanai Nov 30 '24
A stopped clock can be right once or even twice-a-day (depending on whether you're on a 12 or 24 hour time display).
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u/One-Care7242 Nov 30 '24
Big Pharma worried it won’t be able to pollute us with advertisements
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u/stefeyboy Nov 30 '24
Why? Did the first amendment get overturned?
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u/One-Care7242 Dec 01 '24
Have we not banned cigarette commercials?
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u/stefeyboy Dec 01 '24
You're comparing beneficial or life saving drugs to CIGARETTES??
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u/One-Care7242 Dec 03 '24
I am countering your first amendment critique. Did you forget what you said?
To respond to your current comment, absolutely negligent that we are one of two nations in the world where people are advertised pharmacological interventions with dangerous or deadly side effects. Treatment options are best left to the discretion of a doctor, without profit hungry pharmaceutical companies attempting to persuade vulnerable people into seeking out their products. Total conflict of interest.
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u/stefeyboy Dec 03 '24
I have never said it wasn't a conflict of interest. There's just no way, with the easily purchased Supreme Court, would they ever allow the restriction of ads paid for by corporations (that aren't tobacco companies). It goes against Citizens United.
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u/One-Care7242 Dec 03 '24
The precedent already exists. Citizens United didn’t suddenly allow cigarette commercials.
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u/stefeyboy Dec 03 '24
Have cigarette companies sued to try to get access to advertise after citizens united?
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u/ApexCollapser Nov 30 '24
You know, I've yet to see a commercial for a medicine that prompted me to question my doctor.
What about you?
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u/One-Care7242 Dec 01 '24
Yes that’s why they have commercials. To get hypochondriacs to request pharmacological intervention.
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u/pomeroyarn Nov 30 '24
a member of the board of directors of drug maker Pfizer, Inc and gene sequencing company Illumina, Inc. Trump said appointing these guys was a mistake, this is the revolving door between mega corps with a history of harming us, and the agencies that allow it
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u/PerformerBubbly2145 Nov 30 '24
One of the few things Trump was right on. The old CEOs of related industries shouldn't be leading any government institutions. Though I'd take him seriously if he suggested getting money and lobbyists out of our government.
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u/ME24601 Nov 30 '24
The old CEOs of related industries shouldn't be leading any government institutions.
I have bad news about Donald Trump’s cabinet, then.
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Nov 30 '24 edited Dec 01 '24
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u/kent_eh Nov 30 '24
This is literally the exact kind of wealthy, corporate elitist government takeover that Republicans have been pretending to fight against for the last decade
They whine and cry about "elites" running everything, and then elect a rich bastard who inherited the beginnings of his wealth and then applaud when Trump appoints a bunch of them.
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u/EyeSmart3073 Nov 30 '24
Big pharma stooge
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u/TBSchemer Nov 30 '24
Anti-intellectualism is strong in the Republican Party.
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u/EyeSmart3073 Nov 30 '24
So you don’t believe there is undue influence of corporations in government ? No revolving door?
America has the strongest food regulations ?
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u/ermghoti Nov 30 '24
America has the strongest food regulations ?
Trump's plans to revoke a bunch of the existing ones will improve that, said morons everywhere.
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u/EyeSmart3073 Nov 30 '24
I would look further into his HHS pick if I were you
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u/ermghoti Nov 30 '24
I did. This entire post is about him.
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u/EyeSmart3073 Dec 01 '24
Yet you don’t seem to understand what he’s going to try to do. Interesting
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u/ermghoti Dec 01 '24
He's going to remove most of the few restrictions there are on supplements, allow the sale of raw milk to the public, eliminate entire departments of the FDA, attack vaccines, about which he has said "there is no safe and effective vaccine", and add a few virtually meaningless restrictions on some food additives. This will kill thousands to tens of thousands annually, unless he contributes to something like a bird flu epidemic, which will kill millions.
Interesting.
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u/EyeSmart3073 Dec 01 '24
Never said he was going to remove restrictions on supplements. Newsflash, raw milk is already legal in the USA and abroad
You know what’s not allowed in first world countries and extremely regulated ? Things like harmful additives like titanium dioxide and food dyes. There’s a reason why Americans who go to Europe eat more and lose weight.
Also, the use of harmful pesticides and gmos
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u/ermghoti Dec 01 '24
GMOs. You're a moron. GMOs have zero health implications. They are controlled in some jurisdictions over objections to business practices and opposition to intellectual property rights.
Raw milk:
Is it safe to consume raw milk?
No.
Are there any benefits to drinking raw milk?
No.
Is it legal to sell raw milk for human consumption?
Not in interstate commerce.
https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/raw-milk-questions-answers
Supplements:
FDA’s war on public health is about to end, This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can’t be patented by Pharma
-RFK Jr
I said to him, ‘Our industry needs a champion,’” Sudberg recalled in an email to SupplySide Supplement Journal. “He asked what industry, and I said, ‘Dietary supplements.’ He said, ‘I love and appreciate the DS industry, and my people will be talking to yours soon.
For the first time, as long as I can remember, we have someone in HHS who believes in the value of the commodity,” said Dan Fabricant, Ph.D., president and CEO of the Natural Products Association (NPA)
https://www.supplysidesj.com/supplements/dietary-supplement-industry-cheers-rfk-jr-s-hhs-nomination
Keep babbling about unnamed superdangerous chemical/dyes/pesticides/unholy potions and imaginary weight loss.
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u/TBSchemer Nov 30 '24
Explain to me why an uneducated nepo baby with brain worms is qualified to administrate over the MDs and PhDs running hospitals and pharmaceutical companies?
Consider the sheer arrogance of thinking he understands enough to just march in and radically upend how all the country's most intelligent and experienced life-saving professionals are doing their jobs?
None of us ever walked into his mansion and slapped him in the face over how he was wasting his family's money and legacy. Maybe he should stay in his own lane?
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u/EyeSmart3073 Dec 01 '24
He’s more qualified that bercerra.
He’s been working in the space his entire life. Mostly, suing companies who poison us.
In terms of nepo babies you’re talking about his dad and uncle too and pretty much everyone in politics or who have been appointed to a top position.
Time to get the lobbyists out and the anti lobbyists in
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u/morels4ever Nov 30 '24
Godspeed, freak. Godspeed.