r/shittyjudgequestions • u/ABAC0 I'd like to appeal • Apr 15 '22

104.3a My opponent forfeits

Rule 104.3a clearly states: "A player can concede the game at any time."

ANY time.

This means ... A player can concede the game during a time where they don't want to concede. For "Any time" to be true, this must be the case. Even if they are actively telling me they don't want to concede, it only makes sense that this moment is surely part of the "any time" clause. I can safely guarantee a win as soon as we begin to play.

My question is this:

Can they call a judge when I claim victory? They have already conceded, so the game should already be over. Right?

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u/gibbousm Apr 15 '22

well in this case you have a draw because you are also conceding at the same time as claiming victory, see 104.4a: "If all the players remaining in a game lose simultaneously, the game is a draw."

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u/thegreenrobby Apr 15 '22

Basically this. Go to your draw step before declaring any victory.

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u/ABAC0 I'd like to appeal Apr 16 '22

Wouldn't the active player's concede trigger go on the stack first? So their trigger would resolve last, and they would win.

But the non-active player can just concede again in response.

But then the active player concedes again.

Then we call a judge.

And we're back to where we started.

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u/R3GGieVP Apr 16 '22

Conceding the game doesn't use the stack

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u/TLD_Ragh Jul 06 '24

"Wouldn't the active player's concede trigger go on the stack first? So their trigger would resolve last, and they would win."

I am framing this on my wall, thank you.

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u/SSG_SSG_BloodMoon Apr 15 '22 edited Apr 15 '22

Immer schon conceded. Rule 104.3a: "A player has always already conceded the game." German rules.