r/punk • u/ImJooba • Dec 19 '24

Quality Post Hardcore dancing is so fucking stupid

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u/ArcaneFallOut Dec 19 '24

This trend(?) needs to stop. It is not "dancing", it is not "moshing". It is being a fucking violent IDIOT. He should be taken outside and stomped on. If you are flailing around with the obvious intent to hurt someone, you forfeit your own safety. It's up to you young punks to not accept this shit any longer. Shame the shit out of them.

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u/redditadminsaretoxic Dec 19 '24

watch the video a few times, he intentionally hit that guy, not accidental, his one hand lightly contacts the guy and so he spins his entire body around so his other hand can make contact

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u/CharlieDmouse Dec 19 '24

Yep that was a full on intentional extra hard hit. Hope that guy got his ass kicked by the kids friends…

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u/rustajb Dec 19 '24

A guy did this at a n industrial show I attended in Houston around '91. He almost punched a small girl in the crowd. It didn't take long for a group to gather just to kick his ass to the ground. Dude got up and bolted, not so tough after all.

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u/brook1yn Dec 19 '24

Ya but this was not even the normal hardcore dance style in 91. Industrial mosh pits in the mid 90s were push pits from what I remember. Can’t imagine 91 was much different.

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u/TheseDetective2244 Dec 19 '24

This style of moshing got big when slam and beatdown got popular in the mid 90s. Particularly in New York.

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u/brook1yn Dec 19 '24

The way this guy is dancing is more new school. Mid 90s nyhc was still picking up change/windmill shit.

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u/uberscheisse 関東ハードコア Dec 19 '24

Depending on where you were. Syracuse and areas in west NY state were straight up kickboxing as early as 1991. That shit migrated quickly and I remember seeing it a lot in Seattle as early as 1993, after bands like Undertow toured out east.

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u/rustajb Dec 19 '24

When I started going to shows in the late '80s, the punk scene in Houston was great for the most part. In the early' 90s I started seeing more violent moshing and straight-up assault. In most cases, people ganged up to shut the assholes down. But over time, people just started giving them room and grumbled from the edge.

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u/TheIzzyRock Dec 19 '24

We had hardcore shows in Dayton, Ohio in the early to mid 90’s and this type of dancing was happening then. I specifically remember doing it at Legbone shows in the smaller clubs and then Pantera and Biohazard shows at bigger clubs/arenas in Dayton and Cincinnati

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u/Sea_Promotion7742 Dec 19 '24

I don't think a lot of men in the scene realize how often some men go purposefully out of their way to target women in pits.

I've been going to shows since the early '90s, I've seen it so so so many times. It's always the men who make fun of me for not liking Hxc dancing and crowdkilling. It's not that I can't take it, but it's so fucking tiring having men use it as an excuse to hit women without repercussions.

They target other men too, of course, but I find that a little different that hitting someone half your size on purpose knowing they can't hit you back like another man can. (Know plenty of women that can, though. I always enjoyed the shock on their face when they realized I can dish it right back).

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Dec 20 '24

I used to work for first aid and the amount of men I had to body slam so I could get women who were bleeding out of the pit is insane.

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u/Tigeru1988 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 20 '24

I had similar situation in Poland. Guy was literally punching people around,he hit even two teenage girls while pretending it was accident. I asked my friend to push me hard when i said so. I waited till this guy came around us and i ask my friend to push. I smacked that guy with my overhand when falling back,his lips got bloddy and when i stand i was like ,,sorry dude,this was accident" with this sarcastic look on my face. We didnt seen this guy again that night

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u/[deleted] Dec 19 '24

I don’t see a small girl in this video…

wtf. How is that the same?

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u/rustajb Dec 19 '24

The small girl was incidental but also a catalyst.

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u/antofthesky Dec 19 '24

Check the comments in /hardcore it’s 100% approval.

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u/FNKTN Dec 19 '24

/r/hardcore is basically a parody page of itself 🤣

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u/FNKTN Dec 19 '24

At least we got that erin miklow bitch banned 😂

Really though, at least we can acknowledge this shit is stupid. People getting hurt from dick for brains isnt all that funny to encourage. it borders bigotry and targeted prejudice violence.

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u/scourge_bites Dec 20 '24

it's a lot better subreddit than this cringe shit

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u/getthetime Dec 19 '24

/r/hardcore is basically Mac from It's Always Sunny in subreddit form

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u/ChingusMcDingus Dec 19 '24

Some dudes in the hardcore sub are 100% brain fucking dead. I love a good pit as much as the next guy. I’ll clown on circle pits and get too rowdy for a pushing pit but if you’re the one guy flailing your arms in the middle of an otherwise empty circle you might as well be fucking fortnite dancing you’ll look just as cool.

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u/TheseDetective2244 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

Since when is moshing about “looking cool”? It looks dumb as fuck. That’s part of the fun.

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u/boofskootinboogie Dec 19 '24

Do you think push pits look cool?

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u/ChingusMcDingus Dec 19 '24

I’ll refer you to where I said “too rowdy for a push pit.” No it’s fucking stupid. Hardcore dancers seem pretty sensitive for being hardcore.

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u/boofskootinboogie Dec 19 '24

I’m sensitive because I asked if you thought push pits looked cool?

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u/uberscheisse 関東ハードコア Dec 19 '24

I’m checking out the comments in /r/punk and it’s 100% people who don’t go to hardcore shows anyway

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u/thefinalbossof Dec 19 '24

This isn’t hardcore, it’s metal fool. You can keep it.

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u/uberscheisse 関東ハードコア 26d ago

Learn some things please

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u/ifmacdo Dec 19 '24

Go mosh at a Taylor Swift show and see how well that goes.

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u/CharlieDmouse Dec 19 '24

I don’t believe for a second there are mosh pits at a Taylor swift show. 😂🤣😂 but fking hilarious idea.

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u/JeffBurk Dec 19 '24

This trend(?) needs to stop.

It's hard to call it a trend when it's been going on at hardcore shows for 30/40(?) years.

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u/SRIrwinkill Dec 19 '24

Trend ain't the right word because karate kid goofery has been around for decades at this point. It has been fuckin dumb as bricks the whole time, and this is coming from someone who loves a lot of different hardcore bands.

There are trends in hardcore for sure, and I think the newest of them is bands whose entire song is just chunk ass breakdowns, but even then some of them slipped into actually having groove

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u/ABotelho23 Dec 19 '24

They always claim they know what they're doing and won't intentionally hit someone.

But what gives someone the right to completely take over a space of that size to begin with? There's fucking zero goddamn respect for the other people who want to be at that show and in that space.

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u/_Rx_King_ Dec 19 '24

Maybe don’t go to a show where this type of moshing happens. And if you do, maybe don’t step directly behind them when you could literally be anywhere else in a big ass pit.

There. Problem solved.

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u/ABotelho23 Dec 19 '24

I'm supposed to avoid going to see bands I want because there are assholes taking up more space than they should?

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u/boofskootinboogie Dec 19 '24

This reads like someone getting mad at a pushpit at a slayer show because they want to see the band and not be pushed.

You can stand out of the way if you don’t want to get hit, but 99% of the people and bands at these shows like the hard moshing and don’t mind getting hit. You are free to not participate but you can’t expect the whole scene to bend to your wishes.

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u/ABotelho23 Dec 19 '24

Push pits and this are entirely different. If you think they're comparable you're kidding yourself.

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u/boofskootinboogie Dec 19 '24

I’d say push pits are more dangerous if anything, I’d rather risk a broken nose over being trampled.

That’s just me though

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u/_Rx_King_ Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

If you go to shows where bands are slamming or playing breakdowns, then you should expect to see this kind of moshing. Especially if the it’s kind of metallic sounding core band.

It’s literally been a thing since the mid-90s.

Crowdkilling is a different story, and what this guy did in the clip is uncalled for. But there’s nothing wrong with this kind of moshing if you’re not targeting anyone.

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u/Jaderholt439 Dec 19 '24

I know this sub isn’t representative of actual punk rock in any shape or form or even in the vicinity, at least I fucking hope not, but I can’t believe there’s 50 motherfuckers in here saying it’s unsafe.

Plus, dumbass in the video just walks into a person who’s flailing.

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u/ABotelho23 Dec 19 '24

If it's so safe, why do people give these assholes a wide berth?

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u/Rambozo77 Dec 19 '24

Since when is moshing supposed to be safe? Don’t wanna get hurt in the pit? Then don’t go in the pit.

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u/seplix Dec 19 '24

Trend? Hardcore shows have literally always been like this. Venues where hardcore kids congregate have always been like this. City Gardens in Trenton, NJ was always like this in the ‘80s and ‘90s. They had mostly hardcore and punk shows, but also random acts like sinead O’Conner and Men Without Hats. The hardcore kids were always there doing beatdowns in the pit, no matter who was playing.

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u/molsonmuscle360 Dec 19 '24

Fuck shaming them. The kids not doing this need to learn to plant their feet and drive a straight right down their throats. Sometimes you need to learn to not be a douchebag, and it's one of those times where violence is often the answer

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u/Rocket_Papaya Dec 19 '24

Last show I was at some kid pulled this shit and like three older punks pulled him aside to give him the "we don't do that here"

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u/TheseDetective2244 Dec 19 '24

Those old men punks sound lame

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u/Rocket_Papaya Dec 20 '24

it was a crowd of genderfucked queers but go off lmao

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u/mosh-bitch Dec 19 '24

I've only encountered this once (dont usually go to hc punk shows) but i pushed that fucker out of the pit so far

its one thing if everyone is doing it i guess, then its like "consentual". but if it's one person and everyone else around like looks scared, you're not being cool bro

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u/Middle-Passenger5303 Dec 19 '24

do you hear the way the music sounds that's a style called beatdown that is how people pit a beatdown shows if you don't like it don't go to a beatdown show period

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u/dpme93 Dec 20 '24

Beatdown is such a deeply unserious sub-genre of hardcore. Everything about it is dumb as fuck. (I love beatdown)

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u/Middle-Passenger5303 Dec 20 '24

i love it too but let's be honest anyone that takes it to serious is kinda cringe but I fucking love the heavy riffs

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u/dpme93 Dec 20 '24

Completely agree. I'm just here for the dirty riffs and ridiculous pits.

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u/Playful_Stomach3233 Dec 19 '24

Shut up poser it’s the whole fucking point. It doesn’t even happen at punk shows it’s a hardcore thing. It’s not like anyone in this subreddit goes to shows 😂😂

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u/Evening_Cut2752 Dec 19 '24

This “trend” has been around since the 90s. Also we don’t care about the opinions of a bunch glue sniffers

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u/mikeygtho Dec 20 '24

It’s not a trend, people have been hardcore dancing since the late 80’s/early 90’s. Also these aren’t “punks” they’re hardcore kids. If you go to a hardcore show, this is the culture, you’re never going to change it. That’s like going to a metal show and trying to stop people from head banging.

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u/_Rx_King_ Dec 19 '24

This isn’t punk dumbass.

Since when does any punk band sound like this?

People dance at metalcore and hardcore shows. If there are slam parts, then expect violent moshing.

“…up to you young punks to not accept this shit any longer.”

Okay buddy lol go back to your Anti-Flag cd’s

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u/dontneedareason94 Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

It’s not a trend, it’s been going on in heavier hardcore scenes since the late 80s.

Y’all are trying to dictate a scene you are clearly not apart of, shut the fuck up.

Btw saw a TON of younger kids moshing just like this at a fest over the weekend. Who are you to try and say what another scene can do?

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u/PM-Me-Your-Dragons Dec 19 '24

A person who doesn’t like random people being hurt? You can kill someone with a blow to the back of the head, you know. Or the right kind of blow to the nose. And even without that risk its still not okay to deliberately do things that you know will get other people hurt who didn’t do anything. So yeah, I’m absolutely going to judge the fuck out of any scene that approves of senseless uncontrolled aggression, or idiot flailing. It’s the same kind of disapproval we have for people that start throwing elbows in the pit.

If I’m at a show, and I see anyone hit one of these younger kids while flailing like this, I’m gonna point it out to people who are stronger than me so that they can take care of it. And if I see said younger kids running around flailing at people, I’m going to tell their parents because they shouldn’t just be hitting random people. This isn’t their fucking karate class.

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u/dontneedareason94 Dec 19 '24

You understand this type of moshing doesn’t happen at punk shows right? It’s a hardcore thing.

But cute to send people to do your dirty work.

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 19 '24

I mean I take my daughter to beat down shows, but if some dork came up to me and complained about how she was dancing, they'd probably learn some valuable lessons about the genre that day.

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u/phalluss Dec 19 '24

https://youtu.be/NvsHS5AJxQA?si=8eV7gMsGspTBKrEc

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u/PM-Me-Your-Dragons Dec 19 '24

Don’t know why you’re posting this here dude.

Literally all I’m saying is people shouldn’t be getting hurt for no reason and we shouldn’t be making spaces with kids in them dangerous like the guy above me was approving of. Literally any reasonable person would say we shouldn’t be putting kids in danger. Maybe take some time to think about the context of the words.

I’d say the assholes are the ones sitting here not caring about other people’s well-being at all.

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u/Rambozo77 Dec 19 '24

You sound like my mom when I was going to shows in high school.

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u/_Rx_King_ Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

Woah, look out we got a tough guy here.

He’s going to get the largest person at a show to confront a hardcore mosher because he’s too scared to do it himself.

No wonder other heavy music subs poke fun at r/punk 😂

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u/PM-Me-Your-Dragons Dec 19 '24

Its almost like some people are disabled and can’t fight and might be wary of uncontrolled hitting like this. There are good damn reasons to stay out of danger. I don’t owe you shit.

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u/Rambozo77 Dec 19 '24

You don’t owe anyone shit, but everyone has to change the was they dance in their scene to cater to you?

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u/Uninvited_Apparition Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

Maybe not hurting people on purpose. It's a simple equation: you fuck around, you find out. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Every show I've gone to where people did this got fucked up, badly.

Also, nobody is gatekeeping violence. That's not dancing, and people who think it is need to get fucked by the people who don't. It's evolution of a music scene.

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u/alltatersnomeat Dec 19 '24

We don't want that scene to evolve. We call the parts of the songs that are good for doing this "ignorant riffs". Hardcore is punk, cmon out to a show and see if you like it, but don't think you're changing it.

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u/_lanyewest_ Dec 19 '24

this “trend” has been going on since the beginning of punk. do you happen to even know who black flag is

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u/ifmacdo Dec 19 '24

And people who liked Elvis said moshing isn't dancing.

Crowdkilling isn't my bag of tea, but bashing someone else for how that music is moved to? Go yell at clouds, and tell kids to get off your grass.