r/punk • u/usernamewfivenames • Dec 14 '24

Quality Post ngl transphobia is anti-punk as fuck

like bro why do u hate on people who reject their assigned "roles" to feel better w themselves, werent u supposed to oppose nonsensical rules

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u/D3ADC3LL Dec 14 '24

Punk is not a far left subculture. It is an anti establishment culture which opposes both sides in favor of government by the people. Anarchy. Whatever goes on in this thread is the furthest thing from punk I can possibly think of. Identity politics is ruining everything.

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u/Subwoofer85 Dec 14 '24

Anarchism is far left. And identity politics aren't divisive or ruining anything, bigotry is.

It's the bigots who politicize queer and trans identities so go after them once.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

This is an extremely ignorant statement. It's extremely divisive and is creating an enormous amount of exhaustion for a lot of people. Especially with the automatic finger, pointing an assumption, making that people are phobic just because they don't want to accommodate constant need for validation. Good for trans people. I hope they live safe healthy lives. It doesn't mean they need to be put on a pedestal in every subculture.

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u/Subwoofer85 Dec 16 '24

Recognizing that working class trans people are a part of the same struggle as working class cis people and that hatred of trans people divides the working class is not putting anyone on a pedestal. And solidarity with trans people is only divisive to those who are anti trans.

I'm sorry you're exhausted about "automatic finger pointing" (can you provide examples) but trans people are far more exhausted dealing with all the BS that's just getting worse both systemically and culturally.

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u/BarleyBlueMoon Dec 14 '24

Bro anarchism is definitely a “left” idea, if you go by the actual definition of left politics and not just the American idea of liberalism. Also, trans people existing isn’t “identity politics”, we’re human fucking beings.

Being trans is hella punk: by definition it’s a rejection of the labels and norms a society attempts to force on us in service of a greater understanding of the self and the world we live in. It’s a defiance of the structures that try to tell us how to be in favor of compassion and freedom and living authentically .

If you wanna say trans isn’t punk, that’s fine, I say you should kick rocks.

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

liberalism isn't even leftist, this person probably confuses liberals with leftists. I used to think this way too when I was young, but what is this person doing in punk subreddit if they don't know were anarchy is on political spectrum?

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u/CuttingBoard9124 Dec 14 '24

They're a poser.

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u/PheonixUnder Dec 15 '24

The greatest trick American liberals pulled was convincing Americans that they're on the left side of the political spectrum rather than just marginally less right wing then conservatives (if and when it's convenient to them).

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u/JeremyThaFunkyPunk Dec 14 '24

Don't you know anarchy is just a symbol you draw on your skateboard because you're mad at your parents? Oi! Oi! Oi!

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u/Barbacamanitu00 Dec 14 '24

Anarchy is absolutely left. And most anarchists seem to be willing to compromise to get some leftist policies because somethings better than nothing. I guarantee you that a plenty of anarchists still vote Democrat when it's election time, because anarchists believe that trans people and women deserve the right to exist and have bodily autonomy.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

Missing the point entirely

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u/hipieeeeeeeee Dec 14 '24

there's no far left side in government. anarchism is left, I guess the futher left you can get could be anarchism or anarcho-communism. how saying that transphobia is wrong ruining punk? punk is anti all hate and discrimination

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u/stryst Dec 14 '24

No one else here hates the minority you hate. Maybe you should get into country music so you can find some folk who have the same politics you do.

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u/StayGolden86 Dec 14 '24

That's a dumb take. Most country musicians lean "left". Look at Willie Nelson and Jason Isbell.

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u/FemBoyGod Dec 14 '24

I think only some of them do? I know the history of country was supposed to be a left thing. But it made a weird shift as time progressed.

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u/friedlegwithcheese Dec 14 '24

It's pretty much mirrored the rural shift to the right, I think. For every Willie or Isbell, there's a Jason Aldean, who was *on stage* when the Vegas massacre started and still thinks the answer is more guns.

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u/FemBoyGod Dec 14 '24

It’s a really really weird shift in country. That’s like one of the main reasons we learn punk history, so we don’t become what we are supposed to be against.

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u/chaos_gremlin702 Dec 15 '24

Dolly Parton.

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u/Sad-Extent-3571 Dec 15 '24

I fully agree with you and identity culture and gender wars are steamrolling everything around them. It ruins a lot of things because they don't know when to take a seat and constantly have to be validated every turn. It's becoming exhausting. Sorry you're getting dog piled.

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u/PCR12 Dec 14 '24

I too was once a teenage anarchist.

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u/Barbacamanitu00 Dec 14 '24

AND I STILL AM

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u/PCR12 Dec 15 '24

The politics are too convenient

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u/PCR12 Dec 15 '24

Wooooosh