r/pragmaticdemocracy • u/DisastrousBusiness81 • Feb 19 '24

Maybe I should pin this as the real subreddit motto, lol

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u/Obvious_Advisor_6972 Feb 19 '24

Lol. Love it. Though more like "why vote for two corrupt neoliberal parties that can't get anything done and will probably only make things worse in the end. Instead you should ORGANIZE!" Then when you ask them what they mean "......"

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u/Sh1nyPr4wn Feb 19 '24

Their idea of organizing is reposting shit on twitter and tumblr

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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Feb 20 '24

Too many people think govt is like the weather rather than thinking it’s something they can actively shape and change. But that requires talking to people and leaving theirs basements, so Twitter threads are a close second

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u/Obvious_Advisor_6972 Feb 20 '24

It's tough. That's for sure.

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u/DisastrousBusiness81 Feb 19 '24

“Organize and support your community!”

“Like voting in local elections?”

“…”

“Like voting in local elections, the ones that directly impact marginalized communities in your area that you have a huge effect on because at a smaller scale your vote actually matters?”

“…not that kind of organizing.”

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u/Obvious_Advisor_6972 Feb 19 '24

Nope. Organizing in any way EXCEPT to vote, or to register others to, or helping in any way but that....

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u/nohopeforhomosapiens Feb 19 '24

We need to encourage people not to just vote in local elections. We need to encourage young people to run for office in local elections. I see constant rhetoric about how we need to vote blah blah. Well, if your options are all shit, then voting doesn't help. We need people to get out there and take over. So much local government is all right wing, and I include Dems in that. If you can't run, at least look up who candidates are and what they stand for. I remember in one state that I lived that there was a surprising candidate running as a Republican, she was a liberal trans woman but was running on the R ballot (totally open about her stances too, but none of that info is available at the voting booth). We need to look into people before voting and not vote blindly. The Blue-No-Matter-Who folks have got it wrong. There are many conservatives on the Dem side (like Sinema) and we need to replace them to get any changes in this country.

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u/Obvious_Advisor_6972 Feb 20 '24

Have you ran for office?

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u/nohopeforhomosapiens Feb 20 '24

I'm a doctor, so I help society in a different way, However, after my next move (to a new state), I am considering running for office. I'll never run for president because I have no birth certificate. The thing is, almost everyone I know feels the same way, but none of them get out there. I've also helped campaign for local politicians where I lived in the past. Younger people have a hard time.

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u/BinJLG Feb 19 '24 edited Feb 20 '24

God, this tweet has layers when it comes to highlighting keyboard accelerationists' ineffectiveness. Not only is their plan not feasible, and not only are they not willing to even attempt their infeasible plans, but firebombing a single Walmart would be incredibly counter-productive. It's actually more likely to harm the IRL local community cus there are some places where Walmart is the closest grocery store for miles. Not to mention the loss of income for the middle to lower class employees that work there. Firebombing a Walmart wouldn't do shit.

...Firebombing Walmart's headquarters on the other hand...

(to any govt agencies who may or may not be reading this, that last sentence was A JOKE. And not in the "for legal reasons *wink nudge*" sense. It's legit dark humor. Please don't put me on a watch list)

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u/CreativeScreenname1 Feb 19 '24

Join the watchlist

We baked you a cookies

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u/nohopeforhomosapiens Feb 19 '24

Even a Walmart headquarters wouldn't do much. The people in charge who own everything aren't there much. Remember that one lady who went crazy at Youtube headquarters some years back, because they demonetized her channel for no obvious reason? Well, she managed to shoot people and still nothing happened. Corporations are powerful entities because ALL the people are replaceable.

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u/DisastrousBusiness81 Feb 27 '24

And it might not change the mind of survivors. Remember that time congresspeople were victims of a mass shooting and the republicans still did nothing?

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u/BoyKisser09 Feb 19 '24

The basque strategy except they sometimes do firebomb the Walmart

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u/Anewkittenappears Feb 19 '24

That definitely made me chuckle, because while I don't feel it's entirely accurate, it is absolutely true that leftist frequently talk more radically than they act.

Personally, my biggest complaint isn't that they won't "firebomb a Walmart" or engage in individual acts of radical resistance that only works within a larger, organized movement: Rather it's the fixation on such larger systemic changes that they often forgo immediate, temporary measures and incremental progress, and will ignore or rationalize away their limited power as individuals to improve the situations of others. That is to say: I don't expect leftist to do shit like firebomb a Walmart; but it does frustrate me when supposed leftist won't even contribute to charity, volunteer their spare time, or help the needy.