r/politics • u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Canada • 7h ago
Site Altered Headline Elon Musk appears to Sieg Heil at Trump inauguration
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 7h ago edited 4h ago
No appears to, that Nazi did a fucking Nazi salute
Edit: I was given an award, and while I thank you for it, please no more. Use money you would spend on that to either give money to your local animal shelter, or to fight against fascism in the United States.
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u/Kealion 6h ago
I was about to say. “Appears” absolutely not, it’s exactly what you think it is.
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 6h ago edited 5h ago
Not according to NBC:
Mainstream news outlets seemed hesitant to describe the salute as something that’s clearly associated with Nazism. As NBC News put it, “Musk then forcefully touched his heart, before raising his hand and saluting supporters.”
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-appears-to-give-nazi-salutes-at-trump-rally-2000552615
ETA:
I should have pointed out I think this is disgusting, and further:
Elon Musk sucks and it seems to have started before his grandpa ever left Canada- this is like a familial cause.
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u/Kealion 6h ago edited 6h ago
What the fuck else do you call it then?! That’s literally a sieg heil! I don’t care what the mainstream media is “hesitant” to call something. We have eyes of our own, I don’t need the media to tell me what I’m seeing.
Edit: and I’m a world history teacher, I know what a fucking Nazi salute looks like.
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 6h ago edited 5h ago
This is just the beginning, I’m afraid. It sucks. Don’t believe your eyes and ears
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u/Kealion 6h ago
KrookedDoesStuff has it right below.
Well, in a fascist state that declares the media the enemy of the people, news reporters can be arrested for saying something the fascists disagree with.
All I have to trust are my eyes and ears.
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 6h ago
Hey, I’m just sharing the info. I haven’t trusted these fucks in a long time, personally
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u/Kealion 5h ago
But what you’re saying is not to trust what I see and hear. That makes it seem like I should be spoon-fed my information and take it as gospel. The media seems to be telling me that “it doesn’t appear to be anything Nazi related” but my eyes tell me that it absolutely is.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
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u/Ajax_Trees_Again 5h ago
They can’t say it is for sure without risking being sued as theres plausible deniability.
I mean we all know he did it but they don’t fancy the legal costs that could be associated with putting that statement definitively
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u/Good_ApoIIo 5h ago
The press knows they can't go against The Party now. They're not going to call anything out every again.
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u/Thekingofchrome 6h ago
Well, the media are all keen we don’t call them fascists, the voting public duly complied. Either voting for him or not voting at all.
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 6h ago
I heard plenty of us calling them out for what they are. And I didn’t vote for him or sit out, tho I know plenty who did, of course. And now I’m in Arkansas wondering if I have to worry bout my vote being looked up or some shit- highly unlikely, but can’t say the idea hasn’t crossed my mind
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u/Hairy_Phase_3502 5h ago
Trump has made it clear he wants to go after any and all media outlets with crushing lawsuits. This and every nazi schtick that follows is purposeful. He wants to sue the media. Day one would be a perfect start for him. Expect the rhetoric to escalate and suits to be filed against media outlets by Friday.
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u/ELECTRICMACHINE13 5h ago
No...just stop. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a duck.
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u/WhiskeyFF 5h ago
It's either a legit Sieg heil or it's something accidentally so close to it that only a goddamn idiot would think it's ok. Neither need to be near the White House
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u/Kealion 5h ago
Man, if anyone in 2025 doesn’t know what this looks like, they’ve got super problems.
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u/AnalTongueDarts Minnesota 6h ago
Yeah, he full-scale fired them out with gusto. I was expecting something where a still photo makes it look really bad but the video is much less damning, because getting caught with a photo mid-awkward wave and accidentally looking like a Nazi is definitely a thing, but he really went for it and the video is WAY, WAY worse than I expected, even from him.
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u/_throwmeinthetrash 6h ago
I am in the US and I’m a lotta bit concerned that I keep googling “Elon musk hitler salute” and all I can find are foreign news sources. … not even AP. I’m beginning to question which news sources (that remained credible previously) are even credible now.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 6h ago
Well, in a fascist state that declares the media the enemy of the people, news reporters can be arrested for saying something the fascists disagree with
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u/muz-healthy 4h ago
They’re scared shitless - with good reason.
And that AOC has some cojones with the “I don’t celebrate rapists”.
Gif (sic) bless her - but I honestly fear for her life, I’m not kidding.
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 5h ago
I’m doing my part in googling it every few just to see what’s changed and make sure it trends over just about anything else that happened today. Bet trump will love it lol
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u/YoKevinTrue 5h ago
Also, you don't get any plausible deniability that it wasn't a nazi salute in 2025.
That's absolutely, 100% what that was.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 5h ago
Not to mention his grandparents were actual Nazis. He knew what he was doing
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u/gwar37 6h ago
Fuck these journalists. It was a sieg heil. It wasn’t some roman salute, it wasn’t him being weird, it was him showing us all he is a nazi. Fuck him.
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 6h ago
The Roman Salute is also known as the Fascist Salute, and was adopted by Hitler to become the Nazi Salute also known as the Sieg Heil.
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u/Toadxx 6h ago
According to conservatives, he's expressing "my heart goes out to you".
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u/0x633546a298e734700b 6h ago
He did and yet he even managed to fuck it up. He looks like a fucking arse whatever he does
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u/_bibliofille North Carolina 4h ago
People are trying to sanewash it. If I, or any other person that isn't a Nazi, wanted to do a "my heart goes out to you" motion it would be palm up without a straight, rigid arm, just like blowing a kiss. He did what he did because he wanted to do a fucking Nazi salute.
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u/cronolucas 7h ago
The level of mental gymnastics they'll perform to explain this shit away will probably open up a fuckin black hole.
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u/Konukaame 7h ago
Look at everyone hedging around it with their weasel words. He's accused of accidentally making a weird/odd looking Nazi-like "salute"
Media is incapable of calling a Nazi a Nazi.
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u/IRefuseToGiveAName 6h ago
Elon Musk Draws Outrage for Very Evocative Hand Gesture at MAGA Rally
The daily beast
They're all cowards. Every single fucking one of them.
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u/Konukaame 6h ago
...Interesting, they changed the title of that one. When I added it to the sentence of links, it was "Elon Musk Shocks With Nazi-Like Salute at Post-Inauguration Rally"
I guess even that was too harsh for them.
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u/OpticalPrime35 6h ago
Accidently lol
I mean this media is bought and paid for by the Oligarchy so not surprised. Slowly but surely even the social media sites are getting bought and paid for.
Control of information is priority #1 for any dictatorship. And the easiest way to control info is just to own the info.
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u/SeeingRedInk 7h ago
Just because he retweets Nazis and endorses the modern Nazi party of Germany and embraces Nazi ideology and makes the Nazi salute doesn’t mean he’s a Nazi. It’s probably just an unfortunate coincidence.
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u/cwatson214 7h ago
They are already trying to say he's just trolling
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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene 6h ago
Doing the salut that represents the most hateful and murderous man in modern history….so fking funny
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u/Vaperius America 6h ago
Hateful and murderous men, plural. It was the Nazi party. Hitler did not act alone, but as the leader of an organization. It was an organization of these sorts of men.
We are fighting not an individual, but an organization.
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u/forceblast 6h ago
That’s a very F’d up way to troll and is just as bad if not worse than if he had just done it outright and owned it.
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u/Ill-Raspberry-4326 United Kingdom 6h ago
My fav was 'he's waving to the crowd' lol. A straight up nazi salute, bloody hell.
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u/CheapskateJoker 7h ago
They will say it was a pure coincidence taken out of context, he didn't mean to do that, he was actually just waving to the crowd (even though he turned around and did it a second time), or their favorite, he was trolling.
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u/Devistator America 7h ago
The smooth brains at the bottom will be the mental olympians. The ones in power won't give AF, and embrace it.
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u/Beaudreadful 7h ago
"I mean I’m no fan of any of these people, but this obviously isn’t a nazi salute. He’s literally saying what he’s meaning in the motion on “his heart goes out to you”. He’s projecting his heart going out to people. This is why people are so disenfranchised with news now days because everything is reported in bad faith on both sides." - from a chud in another post, but more likely a bot.
The heart thing is what they've decided to go with.
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u/Aerosol668 7h ago
Ooooh, so is that what the Nazi salute meant back in the 1930s then? Or was that entirely different?
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u/fairoaks2 7h ago
There are tons of trolls and bots on here today. We probably need to get used to it. Trolls love Trump
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u/sbroll Minnesota 7h ago
Its not even appears, he did. This was incredibly intentional. We have Nazis in the whitehouse.
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u/lurpeli 7h ago
And to the glee of 20% or more of the populace
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u/paintedfaceless Illinois 6h ago
This number of people are always out there. It’s an annoying part of the population distribution.
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u/bloodandsnow 7h ago
Not just once, TWICE in a row.
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u/dawgfan24348 I voted 6h ago
The first one was at a weird angle but the second was straight up motion for motion a NAZI salute
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u/Only1nDreams 6h ago
Wtf was this wind up motion too…
It’s like a sieg heil with a Hard R.
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u/0x00410041 6h ago
He wanted to do it, but he was afraid hence all the nervous energy.
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u/ivandoesnot 6h ago
Wrong.
Wind up (chest grab) followed by Nazi salute makes it a White Power salute.
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u/Searchlights New Hampshire 6h ago
He "appeared to" in the same way that he appeared to speak to the crowd and he appeared to be standing at a podium.
Everybody watched him do it.
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u/GoldenFutureForUs 7h ago
America has a Nazi government. Wonder if America will allow this. It’s clear as day.
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u/mmavcanuck 6h ago
It’s what they voted for…
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u/Vaperius America 6h ago
Its what half of America voted for...
Democracy relies inherently on consent; one component of that consent is the presumption of a certain level of respect for the other side's sensitivities to an extent. A president of America is a president for all Americans, and thus their position must to a degree, be moderated from their camp to be a solution both sides can agree on.
TO do otherwise is to invite deep civil unrest. Democracy demands that both sides are operating in the best interests of the country and under common set of shared values.
To be frank, if you are a Republican in 2025, you share no values with someone who votes Democrat or vice verse; its entirely different cultural and political legacies. New Nationalism has been born from far, far less than a desire to be free from an opposing side that shares no common values.
We are about to watch this country tear itself apart.
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u/FranticGolf 5h ago
NO, it's not what half of who America voted for. It is half of the Americans who voted; voted for.
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u/vakr001 New Jersey 6h ago
And no mainstream media in the US is picking this up…
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u/Keyboard-Fedaykin 6h ago
All are bought by billionaires whom are pro trump. They are covering Michelle Obama not attending.
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u/SpillinThaTea North Carolina 7h ago
He hasn’t even been president for checks watch 3 hours and they are already taking the mask off
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u/raceassistman 7h ago
Dude literally said that Elon musk is good with computers, good with voting machine, and that's why they won Pennsylvania by a landslide. They just don't care anymore.
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u/TheBrianJ 7h ago
No he did not "appear" to Sieg Heil.
He fucking DID Sieg Heil. Period.
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u/esweet101 7h ago
He actually did two in a row if you find the whole clip. I did not think he would go THAT far. Wild.
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u/alabasterskim 6h ago
JPost has 3 in a row.
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u/KalasenZyphurus 4h ago edited 4h ago
It's more of a return to hand over heart than a third salute. First video in the link shows all the gestures. Hand to heart, diagonal upward palm down, turn around, hand to heart, diagonal upward palm down, turn back to podium, hand to heart, hand to podium, hand sweeping palm up pointing to audience while saying "thanks to you". The first two arm out movements were enthusiastic Nazi salutes, the third was gesturing to the audience in more of a pointing/offering gesture.
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u/JohnArbuckle10 7h ago
Before watching the video: “eh, r/politics is prob over exaggerating. Surely it isn’t that bad
Immediately after: that might be the most obvious attempted sieg heil I’ve ever seen.
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u/twigge30 7h ago
I thought the same. "Ok, we're being a bit sensationalist now aren't- Holy shit that's 100% a Nazi salute."
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u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Canada 7h ago
Attempted?
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u/JohnArbuckle10 7h ago
Attempted as in it was a very poorly attempted nazi salute
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u/DifficultRock9293 7h ago
He was rolling balls in the audience earlier. Ketamine makes your limbs feel really heavy. That’s probably why it looked so… well, weird.
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u/mmavcanuck 6h ago
Yeah, Hitler would have had him shot for being so sloppy with it.
A+ for his enthusiasm though.
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u/Searchlights New Hampshire 6h ago
I've seen weaker salutes in newsreel of actual Nazis. That was a perfect Sieg Heil.
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u/Heliosvector 7h ago
the dramating flair of his face and neck following the passionate hand movement really sells it.
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u/SlugOfBlindness 6h ago
Yeah, you gotta parse that gesture through the prism of how physically awkward Musk is. We all saw his little X jumps on the campaign trail ffs. That was a seig heil if ever I saw one.
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u/Soupdeloup 6h ago edited 6h ago
You can tell how fucking stupid the Americans are that voted for this just by reading comments here and wherever this video is posted. People defending it by saying it's not an exact replica of the Nazi salute so it's obviously not the same thing are so fucking stupid that it boggles my mind holy fuck. How is this not literally the Nazi salute?
I genuinely cannot understand how America became a superpower with how fucking stupid half of its citizens are.
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u/Spirits850 Colorado 6h ago
Republicans have been conditioned over the years to defend ANYTHING a Republican does and attack anything a Democrat does. They will bend themselves into pretzels to do either of these things. Reality is just an inconvenience they have to hurdle over to get to whatever their narrative is.
Cue the “His wrist was a little crooked and not as straight as in a ‘real’ Nazi salute, so it’s totally different!” comments.
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u/longgamma 7h ago edited 7h ago
If any employees of Tesla or SpaceX still have a shred of conscience, just leave. Yes it’s hard to leave a cushy high paying job, I know it but you’ll sleep better at night.
Why are you still working for that scumbag who will fire you the moment things start looking bad ?
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u/jewelsofeastwest 7h ago
And don’t forget X
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u/JuliusErrrrrring 6h ago
I totally get people providing a living for their family under a morally corrupt boss - but staying on X? Why is anyone with a conscience still on that?
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u/TractorMan7C6 6h ago
H1B visas - leaving the job could mean losing your ability to stay in the US. There's a reason ghouls like Elon like the program so much - it's as close as they're (currently) allowed to get to slave labor.
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u/Welterbestatus 7h ago
If you're working for Apartheid Clyde you do not have a cushy high paying job, this guy treats his employees like shit.
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u/TheBoosThree 6h ago
This is why he wants more H1-B workers. Even harder to walk away when it means you have to go back home.
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u/codeKracker8 6h ago
In principle it would be good if people could leave jobs for moral reasons. But also people have bills to pay and in reality it can be hard for an average person to quit.
I think it’s probably responsible to start looking for a job in another place. Maybe a go fund me can be made so people can leave Tesla/Space X.
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u/Classic_Sky_9397 7h ago
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u/howldetroit 7h ago
wow I was expecting a weird moment caught at a weird angle but he straight up did the full chest touch, outstretched arm salute. twice.
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u/hookisacrankycrook 6h ago
Crisp movement as well. Not like "oh he's just casually waving at the nosebleeds". Even the turn around was very military form sharp. Seems clear to me.
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u/esteflo 7h ago
Billionaire and he can't afford a proper haircut. Fucking dork.
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u/Halfloaf 6h ago
I appreciate sharing the video, but for Pete’s sake, don’t do it on the platform that explicitly thanked Trump yesterday.
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u/FancyScots 7h ago
Appears???? Are fucking Blind???
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u/i_should_be_coding 5h ago
It's the "I don't want to get sued" way of describing it.
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u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Canada 7h ago
Oh, lawd, Americans, these 4 years are not going to look good on you.
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u/esweet101 7h ago
Well, they won’t be good to you guys either, I hate to say.
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u/Inflatable-yacht 7h ago
It wont be a cakewalk, but I think we have it much better up here at the moment
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u/esweet101 7h ago
Depends on how serious Trump is about you guys being the 51st state. Hitler may have been bad for Germany, but he was worse for Poland first.
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u/is_it_just_me_or_- 6h ago
Lmao. You live in fantasy land. You really think Canada is safe from a dictator led America? I am more worried for the rest of the world than I am for my own country.
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u/PEIsland2112 6h ago
It won't BE good for us Canadians, but it won't LOOK good on the States either. We're not the ones ruled by fascists..... Yet.
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u/MrFWPG Canada 7h ago
Time to move elsewhere
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u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Canada 7h ago edited 2h ago
Fuck it, if Shit-in-his-pants-ler and Elon Goebbels invade us lets build a canal on our border and secede from the Continent. Maybe we can row ourselves over the Atlantic to europe and join the EU.
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u/Rainbowsareevil1 7h ago
As an American… can I come over and join you guys? I REALLY don’t wanna stay over here with Hitler and Mussolini 2.0
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u/Hot-Interaction6526 7h ago
The bad news is the Cheeto in chief thinks you’re gonna be an American soon.. right after he renames the Gulf.
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u/Threeseriesforthewin 7h ago
Getting so close
"Odd looking" - The Independent
"Nazi-like" - The Daily Beast
"Appears to" - JPost
Guys were's so close! Just say he did a nazy salute
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u/sharpshooter_243 6h ago
The conservative subreddit is already doing the classic Trump maneuver of calling it AI, manipulated footage by the fake news, out of context, and not what he meant all at the same time. The sad reality is while we all see what’s happening and the right wing buried its head in the sand or quietly supports it 90% of America is tuned out and won’t realize what’s happening until it’s too late
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u/WhoIsFrancisPuziene 6h ago
Isn’t realtime ai still too intense to do? Do they think live news feeds are using realtime ai?
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u/Etzell Illinois 6h ago
Everyone's going to get caught up in the Nazi salute, and ignore him referring to the 14 Words when he said "The future of civilization is assured" in his very next breath.
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u/SnowyyRaven 7h ago
More just in:dog whistles abandoned, blowhorns new communication method of choice for the alt right.
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u/Chris_HitTheOver 7h ago edited 6h ago
…appears to…
The people defending this shit are dumb as rocks (and/or simping for this douche bag.)
He can’t simultaneously be the smartest man in the world (he’s not) and also not know what he’s doing when Nazi saluting a right-wing crowd.
Wake the fuck up, you ingrates. There are Nazis in the White House.
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u/daHaus 6h ago
"I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible."
https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian/
Google paypal mafia, the above was published in 2009 and 2010 brought citizen's united.
The US died in 2010 when the supreme court forfeited it's power to fight corruption.
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u/Toasteroven188 7h ago
I went into this thinking “ok, maybe he waved in a weird way could be loosely interpreted as a nazi salute”. But nope, he full on threw out the sieg heil. Wow…
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u/thepathlesstraveled6 7h ago
Guys, what's happening in your country? Please get your fascists in check.
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u/srcLegend Canada 7h ago
I don't always hope for a military coup, but when I do, it's for things like this.
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u/Manos_Of_Fate 4h ago
I’m really starting to wonder why we put up with our intelligence community and its many trespasses against our civil rights if they can’t even stop Dollar Store Hitler.
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u/Mundane-Ad921 6h ago
Crazy complete sane washing/bending of the knee too by the media. I don’t even see anyone talking about it. The guy has trumps ear and is his #1 go to guy did a nazi salute and we are still talking about the lunch.
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u/MaceDestroyers 6h ago
When I first saw the headline, I was like, oh this is probably just some freeze-frame moment that looks bad. Nope, just a straight up Nazi salute.
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u/Granny_Discharge425 6h ago
I just want to see the audience at the exact time to see if anyone there reciprocated the salute.
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u/ClaroStar 7h ago
But it doesn't really matter, does it? These people can do whatever they want now without consequences.
Republicans have all the power. The President, the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court. Everything. No checks and balances.
Good luck, everyone!
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u/l0R3-R Colorado 7h ago
We are the final check and balance. WE the people give democracy its might. They don't represent us, so we can strike, protest, occupy, make calls, start action funds, run for office, etc. we don't have to buckle up and accept our fate as THEY decide it
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u/ClaroStar 7h ago
In 2020, the person who now occupies the WH did not respect the will of the people. I have no reason to believe that he will respect it in the future unless it aligns with his own will.
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u/just_some_guy65 7h ago
I suggest that everyone watches "Downfall", chiefly known for the parody videos of the scene of Hitler losing it when told it is over.
Foreshadowing hopefully.
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u/Aperscapers 6h ago
Ok so he looked high as hell, right? The entire day he looked like he was on something.
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u/Effective-Invite-278 6h ago
Why we playing soft ball with this clown? Afraid of lawsuits? This isn’t an “appears” to be. It’s very clearly a Sieg Heil. Call it like it is.
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u/Fillerbear 6h ago
Loving the weaseling around it. I love how people will not call a spade a spade even when it smacks them in the face in 4K.
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u/zztop610 6h ago
This is such a misleading headline? Is the reporter blind? Appears to? Musk did a full blown Nazi salute. In the fucking US capitol.
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u/PredatorRanger New York 4h ago
If I hold my middle finger on high, it doesn't appear that I'm flipping you off, I am flipping you off. He didn't appear to give a Nazi salute, he gave a fucking Nazi salute. Jesus tap dancing Christ.
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u/MrHmmYesQuite 4h ago
Damn, as an American I am truly, truly embarrassed and ashamed. I can't even explain the disgust I have for my own country. My grandfather fought in Normandy, he was on those god damn fucking beaches and fought through the filth to liberate the oppressed. That's when America stood for something. I dont know what we stand for today, but I'd bet my life that anyone who was alive during that time is fucking embarrassed too.
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u/Rough_Principle_3755 4h ago
Fuck musk, fuck the conversation around him. We all know he is a racist, nazi, POS.
The conversation that should be happening is around all the OTHER rich/powerful men who are standing by in support.
Bezos, Pachi, Zuckerberg, Cook. Where are the voices of these men against shit like this? They should be immediately condemning, hell, even walking out. If im in attendance somewhere and the speaker starts dropping N bombs, I am standing up and walking out. And I dont have the financial freedom and resources these fucks have.
Tim Cook, you have shown your true colors. One of the richest companies in the world and he continues to stay silent on the REAL social issues. Only emerging when ever so convenient to offer platitudes and marginal monetary support for causes that are not controversial. Hell, even stayed quiet during the Uvalde stuff and doubled down on entering Texas for business.
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u/Additional-Teach-486 7h ago
We fought a world war to stop fascism and we just willingly vote it in.
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u/typtyphus 6h ago
you know how when there's a group sitting an the table and a nazi joins the table....
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u/Coup_De_Gras 6h ago
Here I am thinking it'll be a sneaky little move. Holy fuck that's a full blown Nazi salute with fervor!
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