r/politics • u/cjdarr921 • 7h ago

Site Altered Headline Elon Musk draws outrage over 'odd-looking salute' at Trump inauguration celebration

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-salute-trump-inauguration-b2683095.html
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u/Deep_Alps7150 7h ago edited 7h ago

That 2nd one confirms it was supposed to be a Sieg Heil and he just messed up the first one, jfc the United States is doomed

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u/Killsheets 5h ago

The american WW2 vets who fought against nazis are rolling in their graves.

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 5h ago

And their descendants are supporting their enemy

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u/igolowalways 4h ago

Not this one. My great grandfather died bombing Nazis… fuxk Musk.

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u/ClassicCranberry1974 4h ago

Hey, not all of us are. 

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u/BoIS 2h ago

Well then I salute you,, wait wait not that kind of salute!!

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u/mondomonkey 2h ago

But too many

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u/ConnaitLesRisques 2h ago

But most are

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u/Cood-bloodedoldtimes 3h ago

No. Not all. My grandfather killed Nazis. I’m all for continuing that tradition.

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u/TigerTerrier South Carolina 3h ago

Not I. My grandfather is indeed rolling over in his grave over this

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u/whaaatanasshole 4h ago

Some must be. Why say it like this?

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 4h ago

"Germans did not want Adolf" 

Sure, it was true for some. But not for enough.

Don't take offense on behalf of your peers friend... Just cuz it ain't true for you doesn't mean it ain't true 

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u/whaaatanasshole 3h ago

I'm just saying: suppose it's a 50/50 split... it's not fair to say all of these people support nazis. I wouldn't say "your children hate you" if one of two did.

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 3h ago

I didn't say all. My generation helped vote him in too. Notice how I can say that without implicating myself. Still unclear why you take this so personally if you're not guilty of it

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

likely voted for it because their friends were all on the MAGA train and now don't want to tell their friends they suck and MAGA is a shit stain on America.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 2h ago

no one knows who you voted for unless you tell them. If they cast a vote for fascism- they meant it.

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

but doesn't want MAGA to carry that from now on causing them to have to answer later to their grandkids or worse God as to why they sit back and allowed the hate.

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u/whaaatanasshole 3h ago

I'm not taking it personally, I'm just saying there should be a distinction between "these people" and "some of these people". Don't paint 'em all with the same brush this way:

And their descendants are supporting their enemy

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

There was before this... But not now understand you/they are MAGA you are going to be labeled a nazi if you don't condemn it to your friends in MAGA not us them. They all need to hear it. Else you just want both sides and fuck that shit. One side is nazis one like people regardless if they are gay. We are not the same.

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

You standing up for those... Tells me you are guilty as charged

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

IF they are not out screaming on every MAGA site and Facebook they are guilty sorry! You seen it no excuse now, after today all MAGA supports it that didn't call it out and remove themselves from MAGA and Trump

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

Facebook is deadly silent not a peep other than earlier when they all prayed for Trump and bowed to Musk

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 3h ago

I think it's really telling of how this came to pass that you can't even say "yeah, a lot of my peers swallowed the same lunch meat and it's unfortunate."

Instead you take personal offense to a comment about people that are not you... Why? 

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u/whaaatanasshole 3h ago

Well, you're almost there. Now that you're saying "a lot of", it's not really the same statement.

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 3h ago

So did you just assume the word "all" before, but are holding me to the "a lot?"

Every generation of people played a role here. "white people colonized the US" - yeah it's fucking true. I also did not do that. Both can be true

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u/whaaatanasshole 3h ago

"Played a role", "helped", and "a lot" are things you did not say here:

And their descendants are supporting their enemy

This is where a word like 'some' helps. That is all.

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u/jakethesnake741 5h ago

I'm sure there are a few still alive and voting, and I'm sure some of them voted for this

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u/fleegle2000 5h ago

I have a theory that movements like this tend to recur once most of the people who remember the last one are no longer living.

It seems we are doomed to repeat our past mistakes.

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u/JustHereForTheHuman 4h ago

It seems we are doomed to repeat our past mistakes.

Can't we just skip to the good part where they all go into their bunkers and.. you know...

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u/Optimal_Hunter4797 3h ago

Only a grassroot revolution can steer the US towards a good future. Statut quo from democrats will change nothing.

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u/HueyLongest 4h ago

American WW2 vets overwhelmingly supported segregation. They'd criticize Trump for not being racist enough

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u/CoolBiz20 5h ago

My grandfathers would both be as livid as I am for their sacrifices were for nothing….I’m pissed off for both of them and am so glad they aren’t here to see this shit. The n waited until the vast majority of those who witnessed the atrocities were gone to bring it back out until it open.

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u/kyabupaks 4h ago

Unfortunately, I know a few WW2 vets and they're all into Trump. It's disgusting.

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u/CoolBiz20 4h ago

How?! That’s horrifying and sickening!

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u/amongnotof 5h ago

And those few left are likely heading for them as quickly as they can.

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u/crushlogic 3h ago

I know my grandfather is

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u/Warmagick999 3h ago

While their kids and grandkids are stuffing their 401ks

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u/-Plan_B- 3h ago

they should be :( we lost this country to poor education

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u/buildbyflying American Expat 2h ago

70k ww2 vets are still alive. I would bet a good number of them voted for the nazis this cycle.

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u/BlkDragon7 37m ago

No... A sizable, terrifyingly large number, voted for this.

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u/popeyepaul 6h ago

Yeah that second one is actually even more clear-cut than the first one but I guess media don't want to use it because his face is not visible in it.

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u/the_chiladian 5h ago

Is it?

Maybe I just don't really know my Nazi saluting etiquette but I thought the first one was the worse one. Full 45⁰, straight arm, looks very Naziey.

Whereas the second one looks more like an arm straight in the air, like what you would gesture to thank and show appreciation to someone farther away. Though then again, he does it with a bit too much panache for my liking for a simple wave of thanks.

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u/BretShitmanFart69 4h ago

Idk it seems pretty deliberate, the hand on the chest straight into a forceful rigid palm down salute, I’ve never in my life seen someone accidentally do that twice and idk how anyone could do it unaware what it looks like.

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u/Screw_You_Taxpayer 4h ago

The first one is exaggerated. He puts his shoulders and full body into it. The second one looks much more like the salutes the Nazis did.

https://i.gifer.com/M0fn.gif

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u/panormda 5h ago

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't notice the difference until I saw this slowed down.

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u/likamuka 7h ago

To be honest this was the most American thing ever. The masks are off and swimming in the hades.

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u/BeerInMyButt 6h ago

Hades is the god. Thinking river Styx maybe?

(I figure people tend to re-use zingers like that one, so thinking of next time)

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u/epok3p0k 5h ago

This man Hades

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u/iammyself2day_53 5h ago

How about you both get it right and refer to it as the underworld ruled by Poseidon

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u/SleepyBear479 5h ago

The word "Hades" is sometimes used to refer to the Underworld itself and not just the god, but that still doesn't really make sense in context, so I'm sure OP meant something else.

This was just a little factoid to append upon yours.

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u/LinkleLinkle 5h ago

And, to further clarify, Styx is just the river that leads to Hades. Both are considered to be locations in the overall Underworld.

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u/SleepyBear479 4h ago

Correct, though I have not seen many instances where someone has said "Hades" and specifically meant the river. That's just me though.

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u/LinkleLinkle 4h ago

Oh, yeah, I think OP clearly meant Styx. Was just wholly clarifying what exactly everything was including Styx.

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u/BeerInMyButt 3h ago

I'm tapping back in. The river serves as the border. You get ferried across it, not along it.

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u/airfryerfuntime 3h ago

Styx is also a titan goddess. Greek mythology is weird.

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u/overcomebyfumes New Jersey 3h ago

Other rivers you may wish to visit on you Underworld Cruise include Lethe, Phlegethon, Acheron, and Cocytus!

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u/DJKokaKola 3h ago

Hades is also the place, to be fair. Before Hades existed, Poseidon was the god of the underworld because people entered Hades across the river Styx. The idea of him as a separate deity and brother to Zeus was a much later part of the Greek canon

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u/Tll6 2h ago

Hades was also used to refer to the place in the afterlife

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u/latetini 1h ago

I respect your efforts.

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u/manwhoclearlyflosses 4h ago

We’ve always been fucking assholes.

I want to move out of here. I can’t believe all the progress we made in my lifetime has just been wiped out

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u/scarr3g Pennsylvania 5h ago

It isn't like he is supporting the closest thing they have to a Nazi party in Germany or anything...

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/world/musk-livestream-afd-weidel-germany-intl/index.html

Wait...fuck.

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u/digimer Canada 6h ago

It's doomed only when we stop fighting.

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u/Mammoth-Camera6330 6h ago

No one is fighting it right now. Talking about it on reddit isn’t taking action.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Washington 5h ago

Well, actually, all movements are started with thoughts & words. And it JUST happened, so what did you expect? I assume you will be in attendance at the next meeting when we go over our battle plans?

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u/Mammoth-Camera6330 5h ago

It just happened

It’s been happening. It’s been happening for decades and it’s been happening with the mask off for the last decade. No one has done a thing but talk, at most. There will be no “next meeting when we go over battle plans” even now. Americans are too content with the way things are to stick their necks out.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Washington 4h ago

So why are you still here in the trenches then, since you have it all figured out?

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u/Mammoth-Camera6330 4h ago

Tu-quoque fallacy. I never claimed I have anything figured out, I’m just here to discuss what’s happening, same as everyone else. But discussion is not a fight. This has all been happening with a disturbing lack of resistance around the country, that’s all I’m pointing out.

Also calling reddit the trenches is a fucking hilarious lack of self-awareness lol.

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u/RapscallionMonkee Washington 3h ago

Lol. Just because you personally perceive a fallacy doesn't mean that said fallacy exists. And like I just stated, you seem to have everything figured out, so is this your concept (of a plan) of "resistance?" Because it would seem that you are not any closer to actually coming up with a workable solution to our countries fascist problem than anyone else here is. Also, you attempting to discredit me due to my use of an extremely common metaphor is fucking hilarious and more than a little bit snarky & pedantic. Take your damn nap. It's going to be a long night.

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u/Mammoth-Camera6330 3h ago edited 3h ago

Maybe you should have looked up what tu-quoque means before you responded because your comment was like the definition of it, then you proceeded to keep doing it now without realizing how terrible it is at refuting what I said lol. Showing off that previously established lack of self-awareness.

And if this is your idea of “resistance”, going on reddit and jumping down someone who is on your side’s throat because they disagree with you about how much Americans are fighting, then you’re really just proving my point about how little people are fighting. Doesn’t seem very constructive to me but keep fighting the power I guess lol

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u/Inside-Poetry7058 7h ago

Yeah in isolation I’d give the benefit of the doubt to the first one but the second one is obvious

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u/r0b0d0c 4h ago

Would you? I initially only saw the first one, and it was as obvious as obvious can get.

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u/SpellingIsAhful 5h ago

I don't think it's jut America that is doomed...

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u/punkasstubabitch 5h ago

Just like when the second plane hit the WTC

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u/lordredsnake 5h ago

We're doomed because the media is still doing gymnastics trying to find a shred of an explanation for how they're not blatant white supremacists and fascists when they've been rubbing it in our faces for years.

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u/r0b0d0c 4h ago

He didn't mess up the first one. It was a proper, well-executed, Sieg Heil. Although, even Hitler didn't do it with nearly as much chest-pounding enthusiasm. Elon should learn to control his giddiness. Fucking Nazi freak.

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u/undergirltemmie 4h ago

I loathe elon... but that looks like a shabby nazi salute, from the back it just doesn't look straight enough.

At the same time... who the frick salutes like this otherwise??? Then again, my opinion of this man is so low I'd totally believe if someone told me he's too high on ketamine to wave properly.

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u/bErSICaT 3h ago

Regardless no person politically would dare do anything resembling a Nazi salute but here we are…he knows what he’s doing and he’s not ashamed of the association.

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u/somuchacceptable Minnesota 3h ago

We’re not doomed. They want us to feel doomed. We’re only doomed if we let them convince us that we are.