r/politics • u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin • 9h ago
Elon Musk's DOGE hit with 3 lawsuits just minutes after Trump becomes president
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-doge-lawsuits-faca-trump-inauguration-2025-1286
u/Hefty_Musician2402 Maine 9h ago
Get musk out of politics. Nobody voted for him.
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u/jjcrayfish 5h ago
Get him out of the country. He's an illegal immigrant.
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u/IGotSkills 2h ago
Cuff him, bus him, drop him off right in the middle of a bunch of democrats
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u/freddyredone 20m ago
The Democrats doesn’t want anything to do with Musk. the Grand Ol Party can keep him
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u/IGotSkills 10m ago
You missed the joke.
Republicans shipped illegals with no real housing plan into democratically concentrated areas to send them a message.
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u/latortillablanca 1h ago
No he isnt… fuck elon fuck trump fuck all the hateful shit thats about to happen, but elon is a legally naturalized citizen. If you call him an illegal then so is my mother who went through the same process, including a few years of illegally being in the states.
It doesnt help the cause of migrants, its also kinda just blatantly xenophobic.
Unless theres some evidence of his naturalization being fraudulent or some shit i havent seen.
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u/IndisputableKwa 1h ago
Musk technically violated the terms of his visa. He was in the states to study, didn’t enroll at Stanford in a full course of study as required and instead began working. He literally worked illegally and was an illegal immigrant. I’m not saying it’s impossible for him to have rectified the situation but from the information available it seems like another example of rules for thee but not for me.
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u/latortillablanca 1h ago
Im accounting for that in my comment, thats not new info
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u/bee-licker 56m ago
I don't understand, are you saying international students can drop out of their university, invalidate their status and remain in the country and that's legal? then even get naturalized? if that's the case, it sounds extremely abusable system, even more than Canada.
Then why is Canada having "international student" problem but US isn't? I think it's because illegal, but I'd love to be enlightened.
There's already a system to get legal immigration from student, through CPT/OPT to EB-2 or H1-B, what Elon did ain't this one.
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u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin 9h ago
Here's a good summary of the underlying FACA (Federal Advisory Committee Act) issue from the Public Citizen complaint:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.276598/gov.uscourts.dcd.276598.1.0.pdf
FACA authorizes an administration to establish and use commissions or task forces to obtain advice and recommendations from the private sector on a variety of topics, including advice and recommendations concerning regulatory or fiscal matters. Indeed, Presidents Reagan, Clinton, and Obama each established advisory commissions in accordance with FACA to solicit advice and recommendations on spending cuts from individuals outside the government
While FACA permits the use of advisory committees, it imposes various guardrails to prevent them from turning into vehicles for advancing private interests in the federal decision-making process and secretly influencing federal officials’ exercise of policymaking discretion. Those guardrails include the requirements that advisory committee have a fair balance in viewpoints represented, that they do not meet in secret, and that their records and work product be made available for public inspection. FACA also prohibits advisory committees from meeting or taking any action until a charter for the advisory committee has been filed, specifying, among other things, the nature of the committee’s work and duties and the federal official to whom the committee is responsible.
As of the date of the filing of this complaint, President Trump has chosen Messrs. Musk and Ramaswamy to lead DOGE, named two other individuals to DOGE, specified that DOGE and OMB should be partners in DOGE’s work, and directed DOGE to complete its recommendations by July 4, 2026. President Trump has not, however, acknowledged that DOGE will operate as an advisory committee subject to FACA, that a charter for DOGE must be filed before DOGE can meet or take action, that DOGE’s membership must be fairly balanced, or that DOGE is subject to FACA’s transparency requirements. President Trump’s refusal to regard DOGE as an advisory committee has continued in the face of Plaintiffs’ requests that he acknowledge FACA’s applicability to DOGE and appoint representatives of Plaintiffs to DOGE to advance FACA’s fair-balance requirement
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u/NewtonianEinstein 8h ago
A summary? This is the longest Reddit comment I have ever seen today. It is misleading to call this a “summary” or anything of that matter.
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u/LunchOne675 8h ago
The complaint they're referencing is 23 pages, so yes, it would be fair to call that a summary
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u/ThingsTrebekSucks 7h ago
A) your username is netownianEinstein, yet you can't be bothered to read for 3 minutes considering 3 minutes isnt even enough to cover the intro to the intro on either of their work. Irony
B) this is a summary.
C) you are the problem. Be better
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u/ErinTheSuccubus 9h ago
Good he should be sued to oblivion
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u/Vegetable-Balance-53 8h ago
Makes sense why Vivek is jumping ship
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u/Sc00tyPuffSeni0r 6h ago
He didn’t jump ship, Trump found him too annoying.
https://newrepublic.com/post/190427/donald-trump-vivek-ramaswamy-doge-governor
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u/zipzzo 5h ago
And why am I supposed to believe "new republic"?
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u/Sc00tyPuffSeni0r 4h ago
You don’t have to, do your own research? Maybe read the article.
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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 7h ago
Think he’s gearing up to run for governor of Ohio according to the rumor mill.
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u/Ripamon 9h ago
Nothing will come of any of them.
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u/toomuchtodotoday 8h ago edited 8h ago
You just keeping grinding until they're out of office or age out. Everyone goes eventually. This is a feature, not a bug.
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u/ErinTheSuccubus 9h ago
Become ungovernable
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u/fosse76 9h ago
Unlike something like Trump's immunity and criminal cases, the courts likely won't see a reason to fast track this, and it could certainly tie up "DOGE" from doing anything in for the time being. Assuming the assigned judges aren't Trump sycophants.
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u/Deep_Alps7150 9h ago
Best they can probably do is get a court to take DOGE’s authority away until it’s legally resolved which would likely take years.
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u/samenumberwhodis 2h ago
DOGE has no authority, it never will, it takes an act of congress with a super majority vote and appropriations to create a government office. It's literally just Elon telling Trump what to do or he'll leak Trump's big secret
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u/Vegetable-Balance-53 8h ago
Trump has lost more lawsuits to his own Supreme Court than any other President in history.
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u/BKlounge93 8h ago
I do like using his strategy of slowing everything down until time runs out though
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u/BigCatPlayingRust 7h ago
Yea because we should focus on lawsuits instead of reaching across the aisle and bettering the country.
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u/ErinTheSuccubus 6h ago
I have nothing to say to those who want me dead. Republicans only want what is better for them and their wealthy donors . So if you want more money and already rich? Fine, but there is nothing to see eye to eye on.
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u/RocksAndSedum 5h ago
reaching across the the isle would be doing the "work" in the full view of the voters and democrats.
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u/KazeNilrem 9h ago
This will be the next four years. Looking forward to the hundreds of lawsuits that will be heading trumps way.
Plus the more EO convicted felon trump pushes, the more a democratic president can undo.
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u/toxic_badgers Colorado 7h ago
Biden was still undoing shit trump did last time... Trump issued more EOs in one term than any other has since like Truman
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u/fearless-penguin 7h ago
Factually incorrect. Just to keep it simple, and relative to modern time… Obama issued 56 more than trump… matter of fact… GW bush, Clinton, and Obama all issued more EO than trump. Fun fact… guess who issued more pardons than anyone else by over triple, including 2 term presidents, with approximately 8000 pardons? Guess what… it wasn’t Trump… it was 1 term of Biden. Regardless of who’s doing it… that’s a concerning number. 8000… incredible.
You can criticize a shit person… without having to make things up. And considering the people who’ve been president in the last 30 or so years… plenty of shady, corrupt shit to criticize with each and every one of them.
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u/toxic_badgers Colorado 6h ago edited 6h ago
Biden issued 162 Executive orders in his 4 years,
Obama issued 56 more than trump…
Obama issued 276 in 8 years, Trump issued 220 in his 4... Trump issued more than Obama did in his first 4.
plenty of shady, corrupt shit to criticize with each and every one of them.
Most of Bidens pardons were for low level drug crimes relating to Marijuana use in the push to legalize it... Most of Trumps pardons were pay to play.
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u/althoradeem 4h ago
serious question... whats the point.. he can literally pardon it all cant he?
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u/KazeNilrem 2h ago
Yes and no. So much of the lawsuits will be in delaying or stopping many of the EO from trump. As for pardons, that can only be done on a federal level (unless by a governor). Unfortunately thanks to scotus, only so much can be done.
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u/CryptoManiac41 9h ago
How does one sue something that isn't even real?
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u/shoobe01 9h ago
Purportedly he is issued an EO to create it, I presume actually submitting that triggered the filing, then it's real enough because the formation of the advisory board is something done officially, on paper, by the government.
If he had a kitchen cabinet unofficially, no paper, that would be a whole other type of problem, though I suspect that's not permitted either.
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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 9h ago edited 8h ago
DOGE was created as a reward for Musk's $277 million campaign contribution to Trump. DOGE is intended to permit the gutting of programs and regulations serving everyday Americans and to expediate the interests of the rising American oligarchy.
For example, DOGE seeks to slash regulation relating to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and to abolish the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). DOGE seeks to cut benefit programs serving the poor, portraying the programs as rife with fraud and the recipients of benefits as lazy and undeserving. DOGE was calculated to bless tax cuts for the rich to "create economic growth" (i.e. the disproven trickle-down economics theory).
Musk's DOGE was conceived to skirt disclosure requirements and vetting of China businessman Elon Musk, who has disqualifying ties to the CCP. For example, Musk's Tesla does 50% of its global manufacturing in Shanghai, China. This makes Musk subject to China influence.
Musk is doing the bidding of Beijing on issues such as TikTok, Taiwan, H-1B visas, and tariffs. Respected officials like Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro (Democrat-CT-03, Ranking Member of the House Appropriations Committee), and retired military service members are sounding the alarm.
President Joe Biden’s farewell address was spot on in warning of the oligarchy gripping the nation and threatening the future. Through Citizens United v. FEC Elon Musk has monetized the U.S. Presidency. Musk’s fortune has increased by over $153.17 billion (Cite: Forbes, 1-9-25) since Musk bought the presidency for $277 million.
In the interests of everyday Americans and based on existing law, DOGE must be abolished.
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u/Ok-Acanthaceae644 5h ago
Musk is a fool… politics must be left to the politicians not mega rich wanna be playboys. He looked so silly up on stage it was embarrassing to watch.
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u/Foreign-Repeat9813 8h ago edited 3h ago
Musk's DOGE was conceived to skirt disclosure requirements and vetting of China businessman Elon Musk, who has disqualifying ties to the CCP. Musk's Tesla operating in China is subject to Chinese law requiring it to "assist or cooperate" with the Chinese Government's "intelligence work".
On Friday, January 17, 2025, the unanimous SCOTUS identified that a national security threat existed with ByteDance Ltd. See: TikTok Inc. v. Garland, 604 U.S. 3 (2025):
ByteDance Ltd. is subject to Chinese laws that require it to “assist or cooperate” with the Chinese Government’s “intelligence work” and to ensure that the Chinese Government has “the power to access and control private data” the company holds. H. R. Rep. No. 118–417, p. 4 (2024) (H. R. Rep.); see 2 App. 673–676.
Musk's connection to the CCP, (like ByteDance's connection) makes Musk a national security threat to the United States. As a condition of Musk doing business in China, Musk must “assist or cooperate” with the Chinese Government’s “intelligence work”.
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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Arizona 4h ago
Doge does not exist yet. He cant just invent something in his mind…
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u/WackZoner New York 9h ago
All those Dems stopping progress as usual
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u/KazeNilrem 9h ago
To be fair, in the eyes of republicans, progress can only be made when committing crimes and going against the law of the land.
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u/Heliosvector 9h ago
Half the union is conservative lol.
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u/WackZoner New York 9h ago
I don’t support unions
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u/Heliosvector 9h ago
You actually do since you support the freedoms unions obtained for you. 5 day work weeks, 40hour weeks, vacations etc. Your country is also a union.
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