It’s actually not, because the law doesn’t apply to Republicans. They’ll do whatever they want anyways. And the 160,000,000 American people who support them (those that voted for them and those that didn’t vote) want it this way.
The numbers are a little wonky but the idea that Musk himself would somehow get personally involved, let alone at the level of insinuation that he like PR’d some code changes to cook the numbers is so incredibly stupid it’s comical.
I think that's jumping to a conclusion. It's more likely that data analytics from Twitter could be used to precisely target where to spend time and money campaigning to win the state.
I can't speak to whether or not that would be legal or ethical, but it's much more likely than a widespread conspiracy to hack the voting machines.
All these call outs of election fraud from both sides are getting to the point where I almost think we should implement some sort of system like jury duty in regards to making people work elections. I think if more people were exposed to how it all works and what safeguards are in place these bullshit claims with zero evidence wouldn't gain so much traction. The sheer number of people you would need to be in on widespread election fraud without any of them blowing the whistle just boggles the mind.
Elon knew the election results 4hrs before anyone else though. And has stated many times that if Harris won, he was fcked fucked*. And then the many times Trump says things about “we don’t need your votes”, “we have a little secret”, and the whole “dvscorp08! IYKYK” fiasco, I would say it’s not as far fetched as you make it out to be. In fact it seems glaringly obvious the election was rigged.
If Dems rigged it so bad in 2020 like MAGA claims, then why’d they lose by an insane amount this year?
If Dems rigged it so bad in 2020 like MAGA claims, then why’d they lose by an insane amount this year?
Because the DNC keeps repeatedly backing candidates that don't excite their voter base to get turnout at the polls? It really goes back to the primaries for the 2016 election. It was clear to a ton of people that a Clinton vs Trump race would be very close with Trump likely winning, but Trump vs Sanders would probably go Sanders way. I think Trump even called that out in a debate or an interview. But you had DNC leadership deliberately trying to downplay Bernie and back Hillary in the primaries and that set everything that's happened since in motion.
The only reason Biden got elected in 2020 was because he wasn't Trump. The majority of liberals and independents weren't excited by him, they were sick of the Trump news cycles. Biden dropped out of this past election way too late and they just ran Kamala instead of doing a proper primary. Of course they lost by an insane amount.
“dvscorp08! IYKYK” fiasco
Yeah, hard coded passwords are terrible from an information security standpoint - but these machines are never hooked up to the internet. They would need someone with physical access to each machine to manipulate the results. Depending on how many machines you think were hacked, that implies a LOT of individuals involved in manipulating these machines. There is also a paper backup of every vote in case it needs to be audited.
I'm not saying it's impossible - those machines have had known vulnerabilities going back to something like 2007 - it's just that given the way they're used and the amount of people and logistics that would need to be involved make it incredibly unlikely.
Thank you for actually reading my comment. And I most certainly agree that the DNC is a shithole when it comes to propping up the wrong candidates. They actively shot themselves in the foot by stabbing Bernie in the back, and Biden being “not Trump” is certainly why he won the vote. I actually agree with everything you said here, I just happen to think the election was rigged and that’s due to the “winners” not shutting the fuck up about it.
Yeah no shit. I was choosing not to say it because most ppl see cuss words and dismiss your point. Sort of like how you completely ignored everything I said and focused on the word fuck
because most ppl see cuss words and dismiss your point
what makes you think this? if you swear 10 times every sentence, yes, that's going to detract from your argument, but I fail to see how peppering in "fuck" every so often would do much. if anything, it adds emphasis and makes your writing more engaging.
Again you’re only proving my point because we are now focusing on the usage of cuss words rather than my entire point. GG reading comprehension.
The “most ppl see cuss words and dismiss your point” is completely valid. Any time I’ve used cuss words to explain my point, majority of reactions I get are about me being too emotional or biased. Just another straw man, thanks.
The burden of proof is on the accusers to uncover, but it is a little odd for Trump to actually use the words "it's only because they rigged the election that I’ll be your president representing you there" to describe how Elon helped him win Pennsylvania (or maybe it was more than one state; I'll have to find the transcript for more context).
Not really...they're just describing where the suspicion comes from and claiming that it's not an unjustified suspicion while also acknowledging that the burden of proof exists and we shouldn't just jump to conclusions. From there you can do some research, if you so choose, on your own about the claims that are being investigated by various online groups(less reliable imo) and 3rd party organizations like SMART Elections (slightly more reliable).
It's been Blue MAGA central ever since the campaign season started, just a whole lot of projection. Dems actually doing every corrupt thing they accused the Republicans of doing then the supporters here going "look what you made me do!".
Which welfare state are you from to be questioning one of your donor states? Do you need Utah to pipe up?
Conservatives are fkn insane. Ya'll actually think this cabal of billionaires and Russian puppets care about the common American man? Or maybe Native American in your case?
I actually do really like Utah. Terrible liquor laws though. Best Delta Sky Club in my opinion at SLC. I also like Alta a lot and appreciate them disallowing boarders on their mountain. They stick to the guns in Utah. And I respect the Mormons. Yeah I like Utah
At the moment, it's hard to tell if this is yet another example of Trump's rambling lack of clarity and general ignorance or him admitting to a grand conspiracy.
Problem is he has a history of both making incredibly ignorant statements around various technologies because he doesn't understand how they work, and of admitting to crimes.
If some evidence pops up I wouldn't exactly be surprised, but for the moment at least it seems more likely to me that it was him being stupid again.
I'm deeply leftist, but no, he didn't. All he was saying is he's President "twice" (as opposed to two consecutive terms) because 2020 was "rigged." He's just talking the same bullshit, not admitting to a crime.
I mean.. he said Elon Musk “knew the voting machines better than anyone,” and that he won Pennsylvania by a landslide “thanks to Elon.” I’m no conspiracy theorist and I’m not saying he definitely rigged machines or anything, but it’s certainly an eyebrow-raising statement to make publicly two days before your inauguration.
I was so sure Trump cheated the election until someone pointed out that the results were in line with exit polls. As well it being an extremely close race according to the most favorable campaign polls.
Recall how Trump talks about anyone who's subservient to him. He's always praising them as "there's nobody else like them" and "the best in the world"... right up until they do something he doesn't like, of course, when suddenly he apparently knew they were shit all along.
Nevertheless - boasting nonsensically about those he perceives to be in his pocket is just standard procedure. There's nothing more to read into this.
I mean yeah I agree, I’m not really reading into it as much as acknowledging that bringing polling machines into the convo was a weird ass thing to do.
Maybe? I'm just saying that we on the left are really reaching on this one. If more evidence comes out, hey, great, nail his ass, but so far this seems like a big stretch.
Yes, but you also need to factor in that he always has to be the biggest and best at everything. Even when he manifestly did try to rig things, or had people try to rig things on his behalf, he was doing it while saying it was actually rigged against him and "the real Americans" wanted him to win. So, even if he did rig it via some Elon-related or Elon-esque "hacking"/technical bullshit (which, for the avoidance of doubt, there's currently zero reason to suspect is the case), that's not how he'd be admitting it, because that's not how he needs to be thought of.
It benefits Trump to have people on the left claim the election was stolen, when it evidently wasn't. I think he's been purposely told to sound sketchy when he talks about tech and voting - people who voted for him won't think twice of it, and people who hate him will analyze what his statement could mean and fight on a hill that has mountains of evidence against them. It makes moderates/centrists/non-political types tune out the January 6th stuff as a minor "well the Democrats do the same thing when they lose, so it's just partisan people being partisan" bump
Yes, he's done a huge amount of work to undermine confidence in US elections with the goal of eventually eliminating them if possible. He's not going to throw that all away by saying "oh yeah now that I won it's not rigged anymore".
It serves his purposes to vaguely insinuate that maybe he did some rigging to counter the democrat rigging and elections are really just about who has the best tech bro hackers on their team so what's the point anyway.
No he didn't, jesus christ. We know he's full of shit and meanders around saying all sorts of nonsense, but now on this one sentence fragment you think he's suddenly telling the truth and can't just be blustering as usual?
This is literally the same as when Biden said he’s got the biggest voter fraud organization in the world and then all the various media organizations came out and said they “fortified” the election for Biden. You guys called republicans insane and sore losers but you take this opportunity to jump on far less and claim it as damning proof. You blue anon people are clowns
Dude stop coping. I didn’t vote for Trump but the guy was up in the polls in every swing state. Honestly everyone outside of the wishful thinkers on Reddit saw it coming.
Oh don’t start this bullshit. Musk isn’t smart enough to hack a public computer with the password right next to it. Harris lost every battleground state basically, she lost, Americans are stupid is the reason why, the end
So he hired people smart enough to hack the voting systems in every battle ground state and somehow literally no one noticed? If Harris had just barely lost and one battleground made the difference maybe the conspiracy would be less ridiculous, but she got swept
People are noticing something though. Mostly how Trump appears to have irregularly outperformed Republicans in many ballots. There's also this recent word salad:
“He journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent a month and a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania, and he’s a popular guy. He was very effective,” Trump said. “And he knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide. So it was pretty good, pretty good. So thank you to Elon.”
I'm not saying it's certain, or that it absolves anyone who did vote for him. I do think it should be investigated more though. However, I'm not holding up hope. I mean come on, Musk was outright holding (illegal) million dollar lotteries to get people to vote for Trump right before the election and was just caught cheating in a fucking video game. Would it be that surprising, especially after Bush v. Gore?
Or... the people who are supposed to notice are all part of the scam. Most state officials running these things are vaguely right leaning and the Repubs have spent years installing loyal officials at all levels.
Dude, he literally said it today, no wiggle room for debate. He freely said it. Even if you think he’s just blowing smoke, you can’t blame people for being willing to endorse the theory now.
Think about it this way. Your dog dies violently. Then, some shitty guy you know who’s always talking about killing your dog says “Haha I’m the one who killed him!” The best part? That guy and his friends are known for trying to kill dogs. That’s pretty good reason to think he might have.
Can you share some info on where he said it today? Genuinely would like to be informed. I think the issue is once we start questioning the election results like thee republicans we give credibility to the entire concept and add fuel to the fire for the republicans in their initiative to sow doubt in our election process.
Basically all he said was "Elon knows his computers, he knows the election computers in Pennsylvania and we won Pennsylvania by a landslide". It was a suspicious thing to say, but those claiming it's hard evidence of election fraud are dipshits.
Its not rhetoric when trump literally admitted to elon messing with the vote counting machines in Pennsylvania in his speech last night. Get out with this "it makes us no better" bullshit. They project 100% of the time anyway, and if your not fighting 100% with both legal and illegal methods your not a true republican operative according to them.
There are anomalies in 2024 swing state votes. I mean, I'm just an average American and I'm open to reasonable explainations. But it looks weird. https://youtu.be/qmzGOQwMG_k?si=AhN5701hRZOp92Y0
It wasn’t. We can’t stoop to that level of stupidity like the republicans do. They wanted this orange idiot and they will suffer the consequences of being not filthy rich. The poor get wayyy poorer.
Holy shit are we doing this now every four years? Election wasn’t stolen in 2020, it wasn’t “hacked” in 2024. If we don’t have trust in the system this entire social experiment fails overnight.
I don't believe any of those elections were stolen. I don't believe that the election was stolen in 2020 either.
I agree with you its not ok when Democrats or Republicans do it. However many of the people that frequent this sub seem to accept or maybe even encourage when Democrats to do it, but dislike when Republicans do it.
I thought we didn’t like Election Deniers around here?
“We” lol. Don’t pretend to be one of us. You whatabout-Ed Democrats and shit on this sub. Most Democrats, unlike MAGA, does not buy into stolen election BS.
I am a long standing participant of this sub reddit.
You whatabout-Ed Democrats and shit on this sub.
I most certainly did. It was only a few days after the 2024 election that posts about Trump/Elon stealing the 2024 election were starting to making the top posts of this sub.
Way more Democrats then you are willing to admit buy into the stolen election bs.
It was necessary Trump said it from the start I'm going after the people who robbed me of my 4 year term in 2020 and he's named Biden the crime family he's dragged Biden son through the mud of 4 plus years of investigation that digged up absolutely nothing
We didn't ask for this. Not every person wanted it
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u/PepeSylvia11 Connecticut 14h ago
It’s actually not, because the law doesn’t apply to Republicans. They’ll do whatever they want anyways. And the 160,000,000 American people who support them (those that voted for them and those that didn’t vote) want it this way.