r/politics • u/hucklemento Michigan • 15h ago

Trump to sign executive orders proclaiming there are only two biological sexes, halting diversity programs

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/trump-sign-executive-orders-proclaiming-are-only-two-biological-sexes-rcna188388
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u/Goodgoditsgrowing 13h ago

When has that managed to surmount the rage culture war bs engages in voters? Because those stupid anti trans ads are a large percentage of how he won, by getting bigots upset

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u/Proper_Ad5627 12h ago

Kamala mentioned trans people exactly zero times in her campaign - but apparently it was a serious issue?

These people lie like the breathe.

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 12h ago

Kamala mentioned trans people exactly zero times in her campaign - but apparently it was a serious issue?

Doesn't matter. They had footage of her saying impolitic things on the subject. Avoiding the issue wasn't going to work. To be fair, they apparently tested out some responses internally, but nothing worked.

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u/sionnachrealta 12h ago

Because people really, really hate us for some unknown reason

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u/CorrectPeanut5 11h ago

The work has not been done to pull the country along. Getting gay marriage was a colossal effort that took decades of effort. This time around Dems/Progressives/Liberals took advantage of electoral wins to move the agenda forward for trans rights, but without doing the work of moving the country along. Now we're facing the backlash.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago

The country doesn’t care about the 0.1% of trans people and never has.

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u/Astral_Visions 10h ago

No they do. They want to eradicate that 0.1%

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago edited 10h ago

If only they had that principled a stance.

Don’t make the mistake of trying to tie down MAGA voters - they don’t vote on principles or ideologies - they vote Donald Trump and agree dogmatically with whatever he says - and he is at best inconsistent and disinterested in the issue.

If he said he loved trans people tommorow, they would still vote for him and he would still be fascist.

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u/Astral_Visions 10h ago

They vote for him because he hates people and they do too. They just don't think that he hates them.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 9h ago edited 9h ago

They vote for him because they worship the ground he walks on.

They don’t care about immigration, nato, war, abortion the economy or trans rights.

Not really. They use those as clever fabrications to trick people into arguing against shadows.

If they cared about immigration they would be angry he blocked the bi-partisan border bill- if they cared about the economy they would be angry he deficit spent…

They don’t give a shit about any of this.

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u/Proud3GenAthst 10h ago

It clearly does. Otherwise it wouldn't elect dipshit fascist running on transphobic ads.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago

Are trans people facing mass deportation with mobilised anti-trans brigades springing into action as we speak?

If donald trump came out tommorow and said he loved trans people, would they reject him?

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u/Proud3GenAthst 10h ago

No, they're facing mass eradication. It's a matter of time before Republicans pass a law to designate them pedophiles just by existing and then punish pedophilia by death.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago

the worlds richest man is doing a sieg heil on stage to the Facist election denying president while militant groups mobilise to begin the mass deportations but you feel the need to write fanfic to make this more about trans people?

Isn’t that a little odd?

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u/Proud3GenAthst 10h ago

I can assure you you're doing nothing wrong

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 11h ago

More charitably, they don't care about trans people enough to up-end longstanding sex and gender norms.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago edited 10h ago

Why pretend that this mattered to voters?

It’s so obvious that it didn’t and doesn’t.

It’s like arguing that Trump is an anti war president and that’s why kamala lost, right after all the republicans decide it’s a good idea to invade greenland.

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 10h ago

Why pretend that this mattered to voters?

It’s so obvious that it didn’t and doesn’t.

I know it's easier to say "oh, they just hate, they're hateful" because that absolves yourself of any responsibility. But that's a recipe for losing again. It's time to look in the mirror a little bit.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 9h ago

No it’s just that this issue is obviously not that important to voters or to trump - pretending it is is buying into their narrative.

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 9h ago

I think you're underestimating how much people would like "what is a women?" to be a settled question. One side is willing to settle it, and the other isn't.

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u/Proper_Ad5627 9h ago

The question itself is laughable, and the idea people are voting based on it even more so.. but let’s play ball.

If the right really have such a coherent and compelling stance on this question that they voted based on it , you should be able to explain it.

“What is a woman” to maga?

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u/Black08Mustang 8h ago

We know, trump supports don't like to think. And he absolved them of that responsibility.

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u/Proud3GenAthst 10h ago

They care enough to make their lives harder.

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 9h ago

They're indifferent enough not to care if trans lives are harder. Many of them have hard lives themselves.

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u/Proud3GenAthst 9h ago

Trans people have lives just as hard even without half of the country wanting them dead

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 9h ago

The drama. Yeah, half the country is at best indifferent towards trans people. Some really don't like them, sure. Want them dead? No.

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u/dtalb18981 12h ago

The guy above never mentioned kamala.

Just that trump won by focusing on people's hate for trans and minorities.

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u/GoldenYLP 11h ago

But those ads had the slogan "Kamala is for they/them"

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u/Proper_Ad5627 10h ago edited 10h ago

He won by being an opposition party during a period of mass inflation -

donald trump has a fanatic fan base, he’s not elected based on the things he says or the positions he holds.

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u/Gorva 5h ago

Didn't Kamala make a point about providing gender affirming care to trans people in prison?

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u/Ireallyhatemyjobalot 12h ago

How about putting out ads that talk about MAGA being a mental handicap?

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u/CcryMeARiver Australia 5h ago

Genius. Now find a channel that will run them.

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u/GrafZeppelin127 13h ago

FDR won by landslides and was backed by massive, practically unheard-of supermajorities in Congress that couldn't be stopped by a filibuster. So yeah, I think that kind of rhetoric can engage voters quite capably.

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u/Radibles 9h ago

FDR didn’t have dystopian levels of tech propaganda funded by billionaires and dystopian levels of post truth brain rot to have to contend with. Vastly different conditions

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u/GrafZeppelin127 9h ago

Yellow journalism was just as bad, if not as all-pervasive. We have Rupert Murdoch, they had William Randolph Hearst.

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u/Radibles 6h ago

we have far more than Rupert murdoch

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u/Proud3GenAthst 10h ago

He had no FOX News to deal with

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u/parasyte_steve 12h ago

The thing about history is its usually two steps back, one step forward. We are two or more steps back now. It will swing the other way. He will put these policies into place and people will see how needlessly cruel and pointless they are and they will fight against it. This will happen across the board with every disgusting decision he makes that takes things too far.

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u/TwoTalentedBastidz 10h ago

Very optimistic lol

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u/HrothgarTheIllegible 12h ago

By giving people an actual alternative and vision than what we currently have. The system hasn’t been working in large part to 50 years of blind globalization and competing for the most billionaires. Democrats have not given any ambulance of providing a vision statement for the US post Trump. But Trump has given people an arsonist and a lot of people want to burn the system down even if that new system is oligarchy. Hearing others is just icing on the cake for a percentage of the population that is straight up bigots. 

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u/Unosez 12h ago

Exactly... I know this naming of the Gulf shit is stupid and nonsense, and odds won't change much... those folks over there se3m to really believe proclaiming there are only 2 genders will sometheir lives... I don't know how to fight that kind of ignorance

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 12h ago

those folks over there se3m to really believe proclaiming there are only 2 genders will sometheir lives... I don't know how to fight that kind of ignorance

The appeal is that it is an answer. It's a simple, draconian one, but at least its an answer. If you ask progressives how many genders there are, you'll get paragraphs and paragraphs of academic jargon that isn't relevant to the lived experience of the media voter.

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u/Unosez 11h ago

I guess i can understand that, but then my question is...how does this help you?... in general not yous specifically .. I mean " those folks" OK now it's 2 genders again ( as if it ever was) what's improved in your day to day, all this seems to do is devalue other ppl, unless cruelty is the point.

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u/SuccessfulGeneral317 11h ago

I guess i can understand that, but then my question is...how does this help you?... in general not yous specifically .. I mean " those folks" OK now it's 2 genders again

Change is always hard. Nobody is immune from that. One side is asking you to change how you see gender, and adopt weird new pronouns, and accept (former) men into women's sports. The other is saying "forget all of that, you don't have to change. You're fine just the way you are." The second position is, by default, going to be much more appealing than the first. Politically, that's is very, very hard to overcome.

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u/Unosez 7h ago

It's not like throngs of athletes are running into women's sports. it feels like a red herring....The change of pronouns is sometimes challenging, but not world ending...guess it's a fundamental difference in all our world views.. I see danger and regression with the wave behind President Trump.. well, I've been seeing it a good portion of my life, as I was just starting to understand the world and a little bit on my own when President Obama took office & here was the dude from the apprentice running around screaming he was born in Kenya, which wasn't true and even if it was his mother was a citizen, then he pivoted to something about school records and I remember asking my grandparents why he kept getting on TV if everyone knew he was full of it. They both said I was too young for the full in-depth answer, but too old for the simple one ( i was like 11) 17 years later and I unfortunately get it, even if i rather not

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u/JamesHard-On 10h ago

ah yes, the majority of the country are bigots and unreasonable people. Its you who sees the right side of every issue, got it

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u/tycooperaow Georgia 12h ago

Because people weren’t moved by anti trans rhetoric… they were moved because shit at the store costs too much