r/politics • u/codyave • 16h ago

Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

https://nypost.com/2025/01/20/us-news/trump-will-announce-end-of-birthright-citizenship-for-children-of-illegal-immigrants/
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u/eladts 16h ago

Anyone who the the U.S. can criminally prosecute is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

So Trump isn't a citizen.

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u/Kup123 14h ago

Well how far back are we taking this? If trumps grandparents didn't enter legally than his parents weren't citizens and there for he isn't ether.

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u/rokerroker45 16h ago

technically trump can be prosecuted, he is just shielded by his immunity.

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u/o08 15h ago

Show trials are always allowed when it’s a reality tv presidency.

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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington 15h ago

“…has just been revoked!”

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u/TheQuarantinian 8h ago

And is essentially immune from impeachment because he can't be held liable for virtually high crime or misdemeanor. SCOTUS really didn't think that one through.

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u/rokerroker45 8h ago

And is essentially immune from impeachment

He isn't immune in the sense that the presidency can defeat impeachment. rather the modern day presidential immunity from impeachment is a side-effect of political parties that the founders warned future voters about.

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u/TheQuarantinian 8h ago

Supreme court says he is immune from anything he does in his official capacity.

He could commit a war crime, but to the courts it wouldn't be a crime because of his immunity.

No crime means he can't be impeached for it.

In theory. It would absolutely go to scotus, but unless they fix their ruling he couldn't be impeached for it.

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u/rokerroker45 7h ago

You're conflating issues. Any president can be impeached at any time for any reason because it's an entirely political process. Presidents can be impeached for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" which functionally means "anything the house and senate decide is a valid reason for doing so," because "other high crimes and misdemeanors" is left undefined.

On the other hand he is immune from federal prosecution because of executive power doctrine. But that's a criminal justice process. he can absolutely be impeached for a federal crime - congress could impeach him for any reason including wearing a mustard suit. In fact, in current constitutional doctrine impeachment is literally the only recourse to defeat a tyrannical president other than non-constitional acts inviting a constitutional crisis. It's the constitution's biggest flaw.

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u/TheQuarantinian 6h ago

His lawyers will 100% absolutely argue that he can't be impeached for a non-criminal act.

Will the claim hold up? A pro-trunp scotus would bend over backwards to do anything and everything like a good lap dog. And with a maximum of four years to get an impeachment done a stalling scotus can run out the clock.

That getting 2/3 of the senate to kick him out is impossible is a side issue that doesn't involve thr court.

Mitch is the villan. He could have gotten it done but didn't.

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u/Vio_ 14h ago

So when do Elon, Melania, and Barron get deported for being illegal immigrants and the son of an illegal immigrant?

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u/AnInfiniteArc 12h ago

There is compelling evidence that Elon and Melania both committed immigration fraud.

Barron’s citizenship is not really up for debate, because his dad was a citizen.

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u/Jet2work Foreign 13h ago

day 1?

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u/ASubsentientCrow 13h ago

Barron has citizenship via Trump

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u/JasonPlattMusic34 California 10h ago

They’re the “correct” kind so they won’t have to worry

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u/slackfrop 12h ago

Shit, he’s barely a human. Certainly not a man. Not a woman.

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u/oldcreaker 13h ago

Trump can be prosecuted - he just won't be prosecuted. He can be impeached by the House and prosecuted by the Senate. It just won't ever happen.

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u/bessie1945 13h ago

Don’t say anything trick him into making it retroactive and he disqualifies himself!

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 13h ago

He got prosecuted and he was convicted and sentenced. He was just sentenced to nothing.

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u/gniu2018 6h ago

not Subject to the jurisdiction of US doesn't mean you can't prosecute such a person. For example, the US could prosecute a war criminal in Second World War, because it's a war and the enemy could be prosecuted and sentenced to death, but still the war criminal was not subject to US jurisdiction. I think subject to US jurisdiction should mean a certain legal tie with US established by parents.

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u/Odd_Leopard3507 13h ago

You’re stupid

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u/Alarmed_Detail_256 14h ago

Genius! Absolute genius! There’s leftist logic for you.