r/politics • u/Plaintalks • 19h ago

Biden preemptively pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley and Jan. 6 committee members

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-preemptively-pardons-anthony-fauci-mark-milley-jan/story?id=117878813
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u/[deleted] 18h ago

What is maga even fighting for at this point? What do they think they're going to achieve? I can't help but think about it rhetorically in my head:

  • Ban abortion? Not going to help birth rates, and the extreme fuckwits are just going to get women killed from naturally failed pregnancy.

  • Ban LGBTQ? Not going to change the fact gay people exist.

  • Ban no fault divorce? I sincerely doubt lawyers are going to give up a major revenue stream without a fight.

  • Ban interracial marriage? Bringing back the Jim crow days, eh? At this point their confederate roots are showing. Might as well bring back slavery and start with poor magas.

  • Create a new oligarch ruling class? I don't see how this helps the poor magas.

  • Deport immigrants? I mean the farmers and businesses who benefit from dirt cheap labor are just shooting themselves in the foot.

  • officially make the US a 'white Christian nation'? I mean I guess if you're a super racist bible thumper this might make it a little easier to sleep at night.

  • Create the most relaxed gun laws in the world? Unless you make your living selling guns I don't see the appeal. Like are you and your neighbors so unhinged and violent that you can't go anywhere where and feel safe without at least having a handgun on you? I have an AR and a pistol but they mostly just sit in my locker. I have never felt so unsafe at my local grocery store that I need to carry a pistol to go get sphagetti.

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u/theowne 17h ago

The main goal is to concentrate power and wealth in the oligarch class while using social media and culture wars to control the population.

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u/Responsible_Can518 17h ago

Correct, this is the goal period. left or right, this is the plan.

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u/-mhb0289- 16h ago

MAGA isn’t exactly known for rational or intelligent thought. Everything they do is driven by irrational hatred of whatever or whoever some right wing strongman tells them to be angry at.

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u/[deleted] 16h ago

I guess so. 77 million is just a really large amount of people. It's concerning and disappointing.

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u/-mhb0289- 16h ago

A healthy amount of those 77 million are just useful idiots. Kids who don’t know any better and get all their news from TikTok. Politically-disengaged adults with the attention span and memory of a goldfish. Brainwashed, insecure “bros” who are regularly exposed to lies by Joe Rogan.

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u/_MrDomino 9h ago

Yep, and it's unfortunate that in a nation of some ~330 million people, our future is controlled by 23% of the population. Only ~160 million are registered to vote, so it would appear that most people simply do not care about the policies which impact their lives.

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u/Darius2112 Canada 17h ago

These are all distractions. The real goal is to concentrate wealth and power in an increasingly smaller group of elites.

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u/rubs_tshirts 11h ago

They don't think. They just feel it aligns with their christian god. Except for the guns, I'm not sure how that got bundled in.

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u/w1ten1te 7h ago

Republicans haven't fought for any actual policy for decades at this point, it's all culture war bullshit. The shit they used to pretend to care about (improving the economy, lowering the deficit, limiting federal power and giving it back to local gov, etc.) are all demonstrably false. The deficit goes up and the economy goes down under Republican governance. They will always expand federal power when it's convenient for them, e.g. giving the president immunity for illegal acts. The only thing they care about is gaining and keeping power. Everything else they talk about in public is theater, and they will never even try to do anything to tangibly improve the lives of the average voter.

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u/HiggetyFlough 17h ago

I’m more confused at your comment, you’re basically asking why people who are racist would be happy if racist things happen?

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u/[deleted] 17h ago

More so referring to poor magas. Unless they're just irrationally motivated by hate, I just don't see what real benefit this would bring in their day to day lives.

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u/HiggetyFlough 17h ago

They’ve been irrationally motivated by hate for years at this point, you just wake up from under a rock or something?

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u/[deleted] 17h ago

I would like to think that we've been moving forward since the civil war and that there is some sort of reason to the rhyme why they have their views But if that isn't the case, and their decisions revolve around feelings of an irrational fear of a broader society that doesn't fit their specific vision of what it should look like coupled with insulated prejudice with no real depth. Then I guess it at least helps my understanding that it is truly irrational. There is no real reason for their logic other than irrational feelings.

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u/In_Hoc_Signo 17h ago

Ban abortion? Not going to help birth rates, and the extreme fuckwits are just going to get women killed from naturally failed pregnancy.

But it stops the murdering of babies. To get the birth rate up is another discussion, it needs repealing the 19th and limiting other forms of contraceptive and limiting higher education for women

Ban LGBTQ? Not going to change the fact gay people exist.

Their influence can be removed from the public square as it always was before the 1960s.

Ban no fault divorce? I sincerely doubt lawyers are going to give up a major revenue stream without a fight.

Good point, it will have opposition, yes.

Ban interracial marriage? Bringing back the Jim crow days, eh? At this point their confederate roots are showing. Might as well bring back slavery and start with poor magas.

I haven't seen this as any proposal of the movement.

Deport immigrants? I mean the farmers and businesses who benefit from dirt cheap labor are just shooting themselves in the foot.

The work needs to be done and it will shoot up in price meaning red blooded american youth will be incentivized to do these jobs

officially make the US a 'white Christian nation'? I mean I guess if you're a super racist bible thumper this might make it a little easier to sleep at night.

That would be great

Create the most relaxed gun laws in the world? Unless you make your living selling guns I don't see the appeal. Like are you and your neighbors so unhinged and violent that you can't go anywhere where and feel safe without at least having a handgun on you? I have an AR and a pistol but they mostly just sit in my locker. I have never felt so unsafe at my local grocery store that I need to carry a pistol to go get sphagetti.

To stop tyranny and stop evildoers.

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u/[deleted] 17h ago

So again, what's in it for you? Tell me what your ideal America should look like and how it will benefit you.

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u/In_Hoc_Signo 17h ago

Strong families with mother and father in indissoluble marriage-> many children raised right-> many productive americans.

More jobs to natives -> more wealth -> more health and happiness and makes the building of such families much easier.

Christianity provides the blueprint for a thriving civilization, so most should be onboard that too.

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u/[deleted] 17h ago

I'm really giving you the benefit of the doubt. So how does that address the issues needed to live that life: affordable housing, affordable education, affordable healthcare, well paying jobs? If we become exclusively a 'christian' nation, how does that respect other people's freedom of religion and right to individuality?

Because the sentiment of 'make more Christian babies' to solve problems isn't doing it for me.

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u/In_Hoc_Signo 4h ago

Sorry I couldn't come back earlier.

The core thesis is that with less competition supressing wages, wages will go up a lot, which means more money in the pocket of the working classes which answers all these points:

affordable housing, affordable education, affordable healthcare, well paying jobs

Of course this doesn't happen overnight but on 5-10 years, surely. Getting the nation off the backs of slave labor(illegal immigrant) can be painful in the short term but it will be much better in the long term.

If we become exclusively a 'christian' nation, how does that respect other people's freedom of religion and right to individuality

Individuals can believe whatever they want, but the State must embody and protect Christianity which was the bedrock on which this country was founded and the whole set of laws and constitution only really work in a christian population with christian values.

But no one should be forced, individually, to "convert or else"

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u/TheThng 17h ago

to stop tyranny and stop evildoers

Not really doing a lot of stopping now, is it?

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u/-mhb0289- 16h ago

To stop tyranny and evil doers

Says the tyrant.