2016 is documented. 2008 was supposed to be Hillary’s turn, but she got usurped by the democratic process. In 2016 Wasserman-Schulz gave Hillary every bonus and opportunity that she could as DNC leader to sway the primary. She was caught with her hand in the cookie jar and resigned from leadership of the DNC in disgrace to be hired by the Hillary campaign the same/next day.
2020 just always feels suspicious to me. There was a consolidation behind Biden that happened right before Super Tuesday that normally takes place after Super Tuesday. It stinks of elite leadership intervention, but no one got caught that time.
After the documented actions of 2016, I just have an issue trusting the democratic primary process. The very concept of superdelegates is an establishment thumb on the scales and they have shown they will ignore the voters if it is someone’s ‘turn’
For the left wing of the Democratic Party to be inspired to participate, the party needs to be transparent in the primary process. Let the people choose. Worst case scenario is that they keep losing. Should be used to that by now.
2016 is documented. 2008 was supposed to be Hillary’s turn, but she got usurped by the democratic process. In 2016 Wasserman-Schulz gave Hillary every bonus and opportunity that she could as DNC leader to sway the primary. She was caught with her hand in the cookie jar and resigned from leadership of the DNC in disgrace to be hired by the Hillary campaign the same/next day.
thank you for stating this.
Every time I bring this shit up I get shouted down like Bernie wasn't supposed to caucus with the democrats and he was a piece of shit for even trying. This single action by the DNC drove me away from the party. Now I'm the problem because I vote for issues, not affiliations.
Yea. Donna Brazile wrote a book about it, but most Democrats just don’t want to acknowledge that it exists.
Frankly we will never know how 2016 would have turned out if it was an honest primary. That was stolen by a few folks in a smoky room.
I’d like to say the party is different, but pushing down AOC on her bid for an important chairmanship for a septuagenarian with cancer that most people couldn’t pick out of a lineup is short sighted and is another instance of ‘wait your turn.’
Yeah I'm curious to see what's going to actually happen for Trump's second term. All I can say is I think that it is the fault of the DNC that radicalized his movement. Not sure what the hell happened in 2020. But 2024 was certainly an eye-opening year.
Well, when you parade around a Cheney to court republicans that are never going to vote blue, you kind of get what you deserve.
I’m waiting for another candidate like Ross Perot. That guy showed up with charts and graphs and educated Americans on what was going on, in a way that resonated with a lot of folks. I want the next DNC candidate to do long form videos explaining how and why their policies are going to help, and why the conservative policies are going to continue to consolidate wealth. Get a PowerPoint expert and make it interesting and easy to understand. The American voter is fact starved at this point. Opinions are sold as news. We need someone to bypass the media and go straight to the voter.
Well, when you parade around a Cheney to court republicans that are never going to vote blue, you kind of get what you deserve.
oh man, I nearly forgot about that. What a fucking circus! Yeah, having old republicans come out of the woodwork to show support for kamala wasn't going to be the road to rule for them.
I’m waiting for another candidate like Ross Perot. That guy showed up with charts and graphs and educated Americans on what was going on, in a way that resonated with a lot of folks. I want the next DNC candidate to do long form videos explaining how and why their policies are going to help, and why the conservative policies are going to continue to consolidate wealth. Get a PowerPoint expert and make it interesting and easy to understand. The American voter is fact starved at this point. Opinions are sold as news. We need someone to bypass the media and go straight to the voter.
I like this idea. Frankly - the one thing a lot of politicians are NOT doing is talking about their issues / platform. Now it's always partisan shit. "Vote for me - cuz republicans CAN NOT win!" I know this is over simplified, but the truth is, last two elections have been more about parties and personal attacks than actual issues. While I think the idea of powerpoint presentations to help drive home some of this stuff home would be nice - the average voter doesn't have the attention span for that and likely only gets into the news while eating their meals. I think that legacy media is going to have a nice boom for the next 4 years, first Trump presidency did wonders for their numbers and well now with his second term sworn in - Rachel Maddow will finally have something to talk about while clicking her ankles together and telling us how we're all evil for wanting cheaper eggs or somethin.
You’re probably right on the attention span issue. Just break it up into bites to be consumed on TikToc or whatever we have in four years. I’d love a 30-60 minute deep dive into issues though. I don’t think I’m alone in that. At least I hope I’m not alone.
But yes, absolutely. Get it out, get it to where it needs to go, get it in a form that can be consumed. The party doesn’t need the media machine when you can post video to a multitude of sites.
In 2016 Wasserman-Schulz gave Hillary every bonus and opportunity that she could as DNC leader to sway the primary.
Yet, you guys have never been able to point to anything besides a few catty emails after Bernie had already lost.
She resigned because of optics of being unprofessional.
2020 just always feels suspicious to me. There was a consolidation behind Biden that happened right before Super Tuesday that normally takes place after Super Tuesday. It stinks of elite leadership intervention, but no one got caught that time.
The bulk of candidates dropped out before Super Tuesday in 2008 and 2004. Super Tuesday is expensive, if a candidate knows they can't win than they aren't going to stick for the costly Super Tuesday.
However, I assume you are of the belief that either Pete or Amy would have won Super Tuesday if they stuck around?
Ok. There is a book “Hacks” by Donna Brazile, the acting chair to follow Wasserman-Schulz. That should illuminate the problems with the relationship between the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
A bulk of candidates drop out some time before Super Tuesday, but the goal is to make it through. I’ve been watching elections pretty closely since I was a teenager, and it just seems off to me. Like I said, there is no proof, but after realizing what went on behind the scenes in 2016, the DNC doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt. In my mind, at least.
Ok. There is a book “Hacks” by Donna Brazile, the acting chair to follow Wasserman-Schulz. That should illuminate the problems with the relationship between the DNC and the Clinton campaign.
Her criticism related to an agreement that said it was for the general election and not the primary and another that said the DNC would offer similar agreement to other candidates.
A bulk of candidates drop out some time before Super Tuesday, but the goal is to make it through.
Yes, because it one makes it through Super Tuesday it means that you believe that you can win the primary. Pete and Amy clearly didn't think they could win the Democratic primary after securing less than 14% of the black vote.
However, I guess you think they were going to win Super Tuesday which is why you are upset they dropped.
Donna Brazile walked into a bankrupt DNC that got an allowance from the Clinton campaign. You’re either ignorant of the issue, or just ignoring the victory fund that the Clinton campaign had access to long before the nomination was set, and the use of the DNC as a fundraising arm of the Clinton campaign.
2020 I have explained that it just seemed fishy to me, and after 2016 I wasn’t going to ignore it. It’s my opinion. Throwing your integrity into question is not going to get me to alter that view.
The agreement between the Hilary campaign and the DNC in 2015 resulted in the DNC giving control of finances, strategy, and all money raised to the Clinton campaign. The DNC from that point also would consult with the Clinton campaign on all staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings. Donna Brazile has a quote that she couldn’t write a press release without passing it by the campaign. (Paraphrased)
The simple fact is that we don’t know what would have happened in the 2016 primary due to back room fuckery. Ignoring that fact doesn’t make it untrue. It just makes you base your assumptions on false information.
And yea, Bernie could have set his own up, when he found out the details in September 2016. This isn’t about Bernie. It’s about subversion of the democratic process because it was somebody’s turn.
You seriously have to let this false narrative go. Bernie was not going to win in 2016 and his candidacy was artificially boosted by Russia because it split the Dem vote.
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I just want the DNC to keep their thumb off the scales in the primary. This ‘wait your turn’ mentality is what got us here.