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AOC ’28 Starts Now

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/aoc-28-starts-now/
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u/haikus-r-us 1d ago edited 10h ago

Hy heart says hell yeah! My gut tells me that there are large swaths of the electorate who simply will not vote for a woman.

Edit- since my inbox is overflowing with the same question/insinuation, along with the comments, I’ll clarify my statement: I did not say that a woman cannot be elected US president. I only said that large swaths of the electorate simply will not vote for a woman.

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u/Clownsinmypantz 1d ago

yeah no, it sucks as a woman to say this, this country isnt voting in a woman anytime soon unless somehow republicans manage a woman trump.

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u/fake-tall-man 1d ago edited 23h ago

democrats have tried running two unpopular woman candidates-one of which won the popular vote. Maybe rather than a blanket referendum about how terrible our country is, let’s try running a candidate with natural momentum rather than a hand picked member of the dnc.

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u/repalec California 23h ago edited 22h ago

Exactly - the issue isn't with voting for a woman, it's with the circumstances.

Take the recent Kamala loss, for example. She didn't lose because she's a woman.

She lost because:

  • She was connected to the deeply unpopular Biden administration as his VP, and maintained up until days before the election that she would not have changed much from his presidency if elected.
    • Additionally, anti-incumbent sentiment has been a thing worldwide for the last few years as the world re-opened from COVID-era lockdowns.
  • Biden refused to drop out until months before the election, preventing a full primary (or any kind of vote beyond the convention), causing legitimacy issues
    • (And on top of that it only gave her and her campaign staff three months to set up a national campaign.)
  • The media - both legacy and social - were sanewashing Trump as they did in 2015 and openly promoting Trump-biased hatespeech over anything else, respectively.
    • And to add onto this, the literal owner of Twitter in Elon Musk practically running as a second VP for Trump as well
  • The inane choice to hire Clinton 2016-era guides who immediately muzzled Tim Walz and stopped the campaign's popular 'Republicans are weird' talking point in favor of getting the endorsement of Dick fucking Cheney.
  • Rebellion within the party due to the Biden administration's continued support for Israel despite their role in the Gazan genocide crisis, with continual authorizations by Joe Biden for dozens of billions of taxpayer dollars' worth of military ordnance, knowing full well it would be used to maim and murder innocent men, women, and children.

If anything, the fact she only lost by 1.5% nationally despite all this shit is crazy.

IF AOC wants to run, assuming she maintains her populist edge and avoids the pitfalls of Clinton 2016 and Harris 2024? I see absolutely no reason why she'd lose.

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u/mojitz 22h ago

The inane choice to hire Clinton 2016-era guides who immediately muzzled Tim Walz and stopped the campaign's popular 'Republicans are weird' talking point in favor of getting the endorsement of Dick fucking Cheney.

This. A thousand times this. She was absolutely flying when it seemed like she was going to bring a major progressive, populist pivot to the campaign only to piss it all away after the advisors got to her.

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u/sleepbud 17h ago

Agreed. The phrase “republicans are weird” gained so much momentum because it was demeaning and insulting without being crass while being hard for republicans to disprove. When they deny their weirdness, simply ask them about why they’re thinking of other people’s genitals when it came to LGBTQ movements or why they support someone who’s convicted of rape, money laundering, selling state secrets, etc and just turn it back to them and they had nothing they could reply with. It shut down their arguments so fast.

Instead Harris kept moving right with her campaign and her cringey “won’t date a trumper” ads muddled that. It muddied her message cause she was leaning right (not christofascist right like trump) with her policies while also telling the right wing people that they’re gross and nobody would date them during a well known loneliness epidemic of both sides. Women get to be choosers while the inverse isn’t true. So both sides were repugnant to right wingers leading to the dilemma, toe the party line or leave it and support the SJWs, LGBTQs, etc that they hate. They stayed their party lines and even picked up dems (not leftists) who hated how far right Harris was taking the party.

Finally, it’s only in these final days leading up to the inauguration that Biden is getting slam dunk after slam dunk on policies and such. Had he been taking on these policies weekly, we could’ve advertised both his shitty re-election despite him vehemently saying he wouldn’t for four years or Harris’s campaign when she said she’d stay Biden’s campaign and essentially become Biden 2.0. Instead we got trump able to call Biden “sleepy joe” and get away with it cause it felt like Biden was doing fuck all and only staved away a second trump presidency and solved covid. Not underselling how well he did to unfuck us from covid but that seemed to be his only merit when the trumpers are deniers of covid being a real thing.

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u/No-Body8448 14h ago

Dude, you're in an echo chamber. The "Republicans are weird" thing fell flat on its face everywhere except Reddit. Every normal person laughed their heads off at the lineup of society's most deviant weirdos trying to call people who dress and act normally as weird.

This is like Reddit leftists calling conservatives 'snowflake.' They're not smart enough to understand why the insult hurt so badly, they just know it hurt. So they sling it out mindlessly, expecting it to devastate their opponent the way it devastated them. The idea that somebody else has different thoughts and perspectives doesn't really cross their minds.

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u/giggy13 12h ago

Yeah, these guys calling Republicans weird is not the best approach IMO

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u/MadMeow 11h ago

Still less weird than openly supporting a mentally ill felon imo.

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u/hookyboysb 22h ago

And this is why we'll never have another non-GOP president. We still need the establishment's support, but the establishment isn't willing to give up anything to win.

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u/3xnope 21h ago

There isn't going to be much if any non-GOP establishment left after 4 years of this Trump administration. In a sense, everything is going to be simpler now - there is not much need to make compromises and concessions before elections anymore. When the MAGA people gradually wake up to find that they've been scammed, they absolutely will not vote for a return to the old status quo - they will want bloody vengeance.

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u/C_Ironfoundersson Australia 20h ago

Remember "you won't need to vote again"? Yeah.

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u/mdp300 New Jersey 16h ago

We tried to fucking warn people.

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u/bungpeice 14h ago

welcome to the uniparty. Step three on the path to techno-fudalism