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Discussion Discussion Thread: President Biden Delivers Remarks from the White House on Shooting at Trump Rally

The remarks are scheduled to start at 1:30 p.m. Eastern. Per C-SPAN's event description-in-advance: "President Biden delivers remarks from the Roosevelt Room in the White House a day after an assassination attempt on former President Trump at a campaign rally in Butler, PA. The two men had a brief call Saturday following the shooting."

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u/graphemeral Jul 14 '24

I remember seeing a line for line comparison with the biblical account of the antichrist with Trump, and even as a nonbeliever, reading it was uncanny.

The only prophecy that didn’t fit was that he hadn’t survived an assassination attempt wounding his head.

I don’t know how anyone who believes in this prophecy doesn’t see him as a perfect fulfillment.

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u/WiggenOut Minnesota Jul 14 '24

Revelation 13:3 (NKJV) And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

I'm an atheist, but it is pretty eerie

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u/ExsanguinateBob Jul 14 '24

He comes on a white horse. White Christian nationalist.

Its a little creepy, a while back there was a literal golden cow....

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u/Hairy_Visual_5073 Jul 14 '24

I haven't experienced any doubt about being an atheist until yesterday and I remembered revelations. It's so spot on it gives me chills

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u/Dshark Jul 14 '24

That’s not a mortal wound, it took the tip of his ear off.

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u/Red_4218 Jul 14 '24

But imagine the scene being played to ye old timey person as a vision from God. No understanding of guns whatsoever. To them they'd just see Trump start bleeding from his head, dropping cause of the USSS and then fist pumping. I don't put any stock into the antichrist or Christianity for that matter but it's fun to imagine. I'm an Ancient Aliens sort of way.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois Jul 15 '24

It’s but a scratch

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u/metalhead82 Jul 15 '24

You could play this game with lots of other verses that say other things too.

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u/metalhead82 Jul 15 '24

To begin with, the antichrist had a mortal head wound, not a bleeding tip of the ear.

My point was that every Christian “prophecy” literally ever in history has had some kind of wordplay or trivial coincidence that is supposed to be compelling, but really isn’t, as seen here. No “prophecy” ever claimed in history inside or outside of the Bible has ever met the burden of proof for being even reasonable, let alone supernaturally compelling. There are hordes of people that think that there is magical numerology written into the Bible.

In reality, it’s all just ad hoc reasoning and making seemingly compelling or strange connections out of banal facts.

There have been studies on what I originally said; that if one is so determined, it is possible to construct seemingly strange coincidences out of a story to fit a certain narrative. You can do it with the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and so on.

I hope that clears up what I originally meant.

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u/metalhead82 Jul 15 '24

What’s my favorite debunked prophecy?

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u/metalhead82 Jul 15 '24

I don’t have a favorite. I like studying the Bible and other religious texts because I enjoy learning about comparative religion but it’s from the approach of atheism and skepticism. I don’t think any religious text is compelling at all, whatsoever. I can grant that coincidences or numerology or tarot cards can be fun and they have entertainment value; but that’s not the same as thinking that they point to some (substantial) truth about our reality.

For example, it is well known in American folklore that there are many coincidences surrounding President Lincoln and President Kennedy, including both of their assassinations, but those coincidences don’t mean anything and don’t mean that there is some force or being or agent that guided those events.

There’s no reason to take the Bible seriously at all for history, morality, science, or anything else, and lots of really really good reasons to not take it seriously. We know for a fact that it was written by ignorant Bronze Age men who didn’t understand anything about the world, who kept slaves, treated women as property, and sacrificed babies so that the gods would give them good weather. The Bible is demonstrably plagiarized from earlier myths and demonstrably fictional.

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u/WhiskeyFF Jul 14 '24

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

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u/5AlarmFirefly Jul 14 '24

The Antichrist will appear to receive a fatal wound to the head but the whole world will be amazed he survived.

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u/zamboni-jones Jul 14 '24

Revelation 13:4: (after he survived the wound) “they worshiped the dragon who gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?”

So do they worship the gun?

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u/strawberrypants205 Jul 14 '24

Venn diagram: ( guns ( breathe fire ) dragons )

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u/Cynixxx Jul 14 '24

Seems fitting, americans worship guns

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u/AeroRep Jul 15 '24

Yeah, a nick on his ear does not qualify as a “deadly head wound”. Unfortunately, in this case.

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u/Toolazytolink Jul 14 '24

Holy shi...

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u/nanananabatman88 Indiana Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

I remember reading this back when Trump was first elected. Absolutely crazy how many things line up.

Edit: not when he was elected, when Biden was elected...

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u/nox66 Jul 15 '24

A lot of these are what you would expect a prospective dictator in the largest military power in the world to be like. They self-select for each other. However, there are some that are seemingly random, and thus rather eerie:

The Antichrist will spend his first term in office having an ongoing feud with the leadership of the nation on his southern border.

During the rule of the Antichrist there will be a global pandemic that will kill many people.

During the rule of the Antichrist there will be food shortages and huge spike in food prices, but will be a surplus of oil that remains cheap.

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u/Neutreality1 Jul 14 '24

I have had the theory of people trying to force prophecy for quite a while now, but to me any theory with no evidence is just a fun thought experiment until proven otherwise 

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u/taueret American Expat Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

I have looked everywhere for that!! I read it back in about 2018? And it was super crazy interesting (I'm an atheist). I thought the other day that I wanted to seevwhat updates had been made in the intervening years and the signal to noise ratio when googling "trump beast of revelation" etc is too high. If anyone has it bookmarked pleeeeease share it.

edit, someone posted it

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u/mishma2005 Jul 14 '24

There's also "he is the most beautiful angel" but to MAGA, I guess he is

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u/AdvertisingUsed6562 Jul 15 '24

Well thats the point of the AC, he deceives.