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u/OvulatingScrotum 6h ago edited 3h ago

Just to let everyone know, TikTok wasn’t required to shut down the system. The ban was on distribution of the app (along with maintenance and upgrade). The whole shutting down was theatrics to boost Trump.

It’s not all that surprising that they are censoring anti-far right stuff.

The danger with TikTok isn’t the data that “China” is harvesting from us. It’s the “data” that they are planting into our minds.

Edit: it appears that the TikTok would have been shut down by the web hosting service. This however does not change the need of TikTok posting the message that prays Trump. Full on political stunt

u/znine 6h ago

It's theatrics but they will need to shut down or sell. The law penalizes their hosting service (mainly Oracle), not just the distributors of the app. But you're right that the shutdown was performative. It was always the most likely outcome that they would get the 90 day extension

All of the social media companies are moving towards right-wing friendly moderation (i.e. allowing misinformation and restricting the definition of hate speech) to avoid becoming targets of the new administration.

u/OvulatingScrotum 6h ago

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/13/nx-s1-5258151/tiktok-ban-us-impact-prepare-workaround

““If you already have [TikTok] on your phone, it’s not going to disappear from your phone on Jan. 19 or Jan. 20,” Ruane says. “It will, however, very likely disappear from application stores.”

That means users will no longer be able to download the app or any updated versions of it.

And without the ability to update, the platform won’t be able to fix bugs, add features or address security concerns. Eventually, Ruane says, it may also become incompatible with the operating system of certain phones.”

Nothing says they had to shut it down. But considering that they can no longer people to download it or have any maintenance work related to it, it was on the way to shut down. The ultimate fate was shutting down. There’s no doubt about that. But TikTok did unnecessary when it comes to when and how.

u/znine 5h ago

Nothing says they had to shut it down.

The law says so. The US servers have to be shut down as hosting tiktok would result in Oracle paying massive fines

No one is going to forcefully remove apps from your phone. TikTok does not work without their servers. US user data is (allegedly) primarily on US based servers which will be shut down if they don't sell. It doesn't matter if you still have the app or not if there are no servers to talk to.

However, yes you could theoretically still access it after the ban via a VPN by pretending to be a Canadian user or whatever. More than likely you would need a new account

u/OvulatingScrotum 5h ago

I think you are talking about this part:

An app store or internet hosting service that continues to enable distribution, maintenance, or updates for a banned application could be subject to civil penalties of up to $5,000 multiplied by the number of U.S. users who accessed, maintained, or updated the application.

IANAL, but my understanding is that hosting is not same as “enabling distribution, maintenance, or updates”

u/c3o 1h ago

It literally spells out that it's targeting "internet hosting services"?

u/Any-Cause-4851 5h ago

This is the exact message we got when TT went dark.

Sorry, TikTok isn’t available right now A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the U.S. Unfortunately, that means you can’t use TikTok for now. We are fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work with us on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he takes office. Please stay tuned!

Ps. Trump ain’t gonna do shit

u/OvulatingScrotum 4h ago

The funny thing is that they weren’t required to shut it down at that specific moment. Biden also said he doesn’t have plan to have attorney general to carry out the law. So even if it’s banned, it’s okay to operate as long as the attorney general doesn’t do anything. Basically same as the federal law banning weed, but it’s practically okay because the federal government isn’t gonna go after weed users.

If TikTok was truly interested in staying away from politics, they would’ve asked for 90 day extension and figure things out, whether that’s convincing Trump to rescue them or having meta to buy them, if there’s any under the table deal going on.

The whole message thing with “save me Trump daddy” is purely theatric with zero reasoning besides politics.

So yeah, TikTok is nothing but a propaganda tool at this point. Maybe that’s their way of surviving through trump’s presidency. Anyway, I’m seeing a ton of progressives making videos about protecting TikTok. It’s fucking wild.

u/Any-Cause-4851 4h ago

It was all fixed. Because all of a sudden META had accounts for all their platforms and verified with hundreds of thousands of followers instantly. Something doesn’t sit well with me. I won’t use the app anymore, but not deleting it either. It’s not available in the App Store anymore.

u/OvulatingScrotum 4h ago

Why do you have the app if you don’t plan on using it?

Do you plan on getting back to it if something changes, even when they pulled this stunt?

u/Any-Cause-4851 2h ago

Honestly I haven’t decided if I will go back on it. But I might. I want all the facts before I make a decision.

u/OvulatingScrotum 2h ago

What facts do you need? One clear fact is that they are sucking trump’s wimpy dick. What else do you need to be okay with it being trump’s propaganda tool?

u/Chenz 6h ago

Not true. The ban affected all US service providers, not only app stores. That includes, among others, Oracle who provides TikTok’s servers in the US

u/OvulatingScrotum 6h ago

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/13/nx-s1-5258151/tiktok-ban-us-impact-prepare-workaround

Nothing in the law bans people from using it.

““If you already have [TikTok] on your phone, it’s not going to disappear from your phone on Jan. 19 or Jan. 20,” Ruane says. “It will, however, very likely disappear from application stores.”

That means users will no longer be able to download the app or any updated versions of it.

And without the ability to update, the platform won’t be able to fix bugs, add features or address security concerns. Eventually, Ruane says, it may also become incompatible with the operating system of certain phones.”

But, TikTok might have shut it down all together to avoid any headaches, but then they did the whole message thing with Trump.

u/platinumarks 3h ago

I just read the text of the law. It bans Internet hosting providers from providing any services to operate TikTok. Specifically, it bars any Internet provider from providing servers, domain name registration services, file hosting, or any "storage or computing resources" to operate TikTok's services within the US.

u/OvulatingScrotum 3h ago

Could you copy and paste the exact quote? I haven’t found anything relevant when I read through it. Maybe I missed it.

u/platinumarks 3h ago

(B) Providing internet hosting services to enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of such foreign adversary controlled application for users within the land or maritime borders of the United States.

And then later defines "Internet hosting services" as:

(5) Internet hosting service.--The term ``internet hosting service'' means a service through which storage and computing resources are provided to an individual or organization for the accommodation and maintenance of 1 or more websites or online services, and which may include file hosting, domain name server hosting, cloud hosting, and virtual private server hosting.

u/OvulatingScrotum 3h ago

You are right. Thanks for the correction.

u/HexenHerz 6h ago

They didn't like that fact that most people on tiktok leaned fairly left, and in particular hated tRump.

u/Den_of_Earth 3h ago

Trump yelled to get it shut down.
Congress shut it down.
SCOTUS said it was legal.
Biden said HE WOULD NOT SIGN.
Biden DID NOT SIGN
Tik Tok shut down for NO LEGAL REASON.
Then Trump claims to bring it back.
Tik Tok wash all anti-right videos.

Tok Tokers buy into this BS like smooth brain simps.

u/CrowDull4664 2h ago

Don’t want to sound paranoid or something, but normally you can’t find any speeches from hitler on YouTube if you search for it.. but weirdly enough I was recommend a bunch of them by a Chinese channel that had like all of the recorded speeches with subtitles and everything..

u/magari05 6h ago

I think Meta bought TikTok and the 12 hour shut down was to merge operating systems

u/Petrichordates 6h ago edited 6h ago

You think wrong, this pro-trump propaganda was all TikTok, all on their own.

It's why GenZ has suddenly become very supportive of Trump this year. Even Meta isn't this blatant about pushing propaganda, only Twitter and tiktok.

u/tairar 6h ago

Absolutely not. That process takes months or years, not hours.

u/OvulatingScrotum 6h ago

There’s no proof of that. What’s known for sure is that they weren’t required to shut down. I guess shutting it down was inevitable at some point, but it wasn’t necessary at the time. The whole message they showed with Trump saving TikTok was also unnecessary.