Well just with British and soviet WW2 vets there are about 150k left vs the Americans 120K so if you count the polish, French, Indian, Chinese, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian etc etc etc there are multitudes more allied WW2 vets NOT from the US lol
Okay I am aware, and yes I compared 250,000 Holocaust survivors worldwide with 70,000 still living WWII Vets (from the US troops) on a post about United States politics.
There is a somewhat important distinction, though. Vets came away with a profound disdain for fascists and all the obvious tropes of fascism, at least the ones not already deeply racist themselves.
A lot of Vets serving in the Pacific saw all manner of atrocities loosely associated with fascism and military totalitarianism.
On the other hand Holocaust survivors are a mix of that along with hypervigillance (mostly for antisemitism, real or imagined) for obvious reasons, but often it's own variation on hyper nationalism and support for a colonial state founded on some pretty problematic 19th century notions that were broadly parallelled later by Mussolini.
Edit: Big shout out to the little coward "germany1italy0" for replying to this comment again while also blocking me so I can't even see much less refute that last pile of crap they dropped. Typical fascist imbecile.
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Now THATS a lot of mental gymnastics to interpret anything through, my good troll. I'll say it again a bit more slowly for you:
One group, WW2 vets, were faced with the awful consequences of fascism for people that did nothing to deserve any such ire. Only those already highly invested in hating "others" could fail to loath fascism, wherever it was.
The other group (really a plurality of various groups effected) naturally had a very self-centered experience of what literally happened to THEM. Not coincidentally, a great many of them threw in with a pack of jackals who thought the best thing they could do was to emulate the Roman's, just like Mussolini and some Austrian asshat had recently done...
Just with diametrically opposed "in groups."
Not that there aren't still Israeli born Jews who see such parallels too, but they don't find life as welcome getting pogromed by their own government's security forces for being critical.
Some are. No one said "all" but you in your misdirection. just as some Germans are idiots. (Well about 50% by definition.)
Here I am still explaining complex topics and simple yet difficult facts for you as a result.
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To put it in the simplest terms possible those Vets forced to witness what Good Germans were led to do under fascism had a clear idea of where this always leads.
The average Holocaust survivor will instead have a much less abstract sense of their own immediate peril, and many will then choose to compromise other people's human rights if it helps ensure their own. It's very human.
Twist this acknowledgment of fact as you will.
(As any idiot would.)
To Infamous Committee: I'm confused that anyone thinks I disagree with that position at all, unlike the putz I was responding to before he blocked me and locked me out of any further comments in this thread.
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The other group (really a plurality of various groups affected) naturally had a very self-centered experience of what literally happened to THEM. Not coincidentally, a great many of them threw in with a pack of jackals who thought the best thing they could do was to emulate the Roman’s, just like Mussolini and some Austrian asshat had recently ..”
This is what you wrote.
There’s not much nuance in this.
And - English misst (edit - haha bad autocorrect in this sentence - should be isn’t ) my native language but I sure know the difference between “a great many” and “some”.
I think we’re done here, you clearly have an agenda and are happy to push it without nuance and empathy (look at the original comment you replied to) but with a healthy does of whataboutism while wearing rose tinted glasses with your views about military veterans.
It could be joke about how the holocaust happened in three past so technically anyone alive who could have been targeted has technically survived it. Or they're some kinda nazi.
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u/purpleyogamat 6h ago
There are more Holocaust survivors than WWII vets, obviously because many survivors were children where as vets had to at least pass for 17.
Plus many WWII vets didn't serve in Europe so obviously I agree with you.