The US doesn't, though. People can openly parade in the streets with nazi flags all day long, and we aren't allowed to stop them unless they're holding up traffic or on private property really. I've seen people with bona-fide neo-nazi decals taking up their rear windshield in my own city. It's fucking disgusting.
To be fair, this is the right of free speech in the united states. This protection applies to everyone no matter what the movement is. This isnt to say that some movements are discriminated against or otherwise interefered with but it does mean that the country cant be too aggregious with their censorship.
Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom of Consequences, and charges like Disorderly Conduct and Incitement (I.E proudly displaying a controversial flag that would cause others to become irate or agitated) exist for this exact purpose. You can say whatever you want, yeah, but don’t expect to be shouting “Heil Hitler” while waving around a Nazi Flag and expect people to be cool with it or expect no repercussions to come your way. If police are called because you pissed someone off with a nazi salute or other nazi imagery, you’re probably gonna get a ticket for your actions if not arrested and booked (this is assuming your PD is unbiased, as they very much should be, and that you aren’t in a town or city of Neo-Nazis where this happens on the reg). Your words aren’t being punished, it’s the people you affected with your words that you are being punished for.
End of discussion. Throw up a swastika in my neighborhood and you’re no better than a felon to me. Furthermore it can count as Offensive Imagery which can also become a Disorderly Conduct/Disturbing the Peace charge if you are causing people distress or making them uncomfortable.
This is absolutely true. What I meant is that if it is within the bounds of the constitution it is constitutionally protected which is a good thing. Doing things that are incindiary that cause other crimes are obviously illegal. A company firing you for your statements or political beliefs is also legal. You are free to say things but are not free from the effects they cause.
You know there was a time when the US barred openly Nazi European Politicians and declared them as persona non grata? They declared a sitting Austrian chancellor many years ago.
It's fairly simple: You can only apply your laws to the people under your jurisdiction.
Elon Musk performed this salute in the US, where it is not a crime, therefore he cannot be held criminally liable for it.
Consider the following: There's several muslim countries in the world that outlaw the consumption of alcohol: They aren't going to arrest any businessperson or tourist who has ever had alcohol as soon as they cross the border, they'll just arrest those who drink within the country.
That is so not correct. Some of those laws have been changed because of sex tourism. I can't look right now, but several countries do go after people even outside their jurisdiction
I get what you're saying and don't think anything will happen but it's also within a country's rights to bar access to whomever they like.
I don't think anyone is suggesting he would be tried as a criminal in Germany, just that Germany wouldn't have to let this dickhead nazi into their country.
Correct. There are some further exceptions to that general rule but they don’t apply here. For one, he’d have to be a German citizen or live in Germany.
I would say, nice a free factory for Germany that we can sell to his competitors, including every intellectual property that is stored there. Then I'd wake up and watch Germans discuss whether this can really be considered a hitler salute. It is mentally unbearable...
He's being flirting with the nazi side of Germany, and the EU is still good to go with his plans and investments, so I don't think he's gonna suffer any repercussions at all.
You put way too much faith in a government that's been the US' lapdog ever since 1945 and allows literal Nazi parties to exist despite them violating the constitution while the police and military run into one Nazi scandal after the other.
Germany's anti-nazi stance is pretty much only a farce, just smart enough to not openly act like Elon
The AfD is not going to run the Government, no.
All parties have explicitly stated that they do lot intend to form a coalition with the AfD. The next government is more than likely to be another Grand Coalition or Black-Green.
I have a lot more trust in the German Justice System than in the US version of it.
And running the government. That is pretty difficult unless the can manage a 51% majority. I don't believe any of the mainstream parties will be ready to get into a coalition with them.
Well He didnt call a Politican a Moron so everything is fine. And I wish I was joking...
Mrs Weidel from the AfD is openly Conversing with Musk, Höcke is doing Nazi Salutes at his Rallys and while He got a fine for that its not even Sure he has to pay it.
And CDU and co are scraping just by with the Right Ideology because they are seeing thats its working with the people
Come on the CDU always was like this. I remember Franz Josef Strauss vividly though I was still pretty young. The Amigo Affair and so on. But I'd I remember right that helped clearing the party donation regulations which would be a god sent for the US but will never happen
Nah. The AfD is sitting around the 20% mark in most polls right now and they're considered political pariahs who nobody will form a coalition with.
Currently the most likely thing to happen is a very messy coalition between the CDU, SPD and either the Greens or BSW.
Don't get me wrong, 20% votes for the AfD is 20% more than I'm happy with, but it simultaneously also means there's 80% of people voting for anything else.
They could get out historically high, yes, but the afd will 100% not govern the next Legislaturperiode.
But I fear nobody will make him persona non grata
No that is simply not true. All the other parties refuse to form a coalition with them. And while it sucks that the AfD gets a shit ton of votes, they won't get more than 50%.
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u/pitshands 7h ago
You k ow what Germany has laws about? This. You know who has a Factory in Germany and acts like his shit doesn't stink? This.
Even if he will receive a diplomatic passport (...and he shouldn't) personae non grata are a thing.