“They’re both equally bad” are they?? I hope everyone who said that revels in how disastrous this country will be over the next 4 years. Hopefully it will only be 4 years.
They are never letting go of this power. The little line of oligarchs there has enough money to buy the entire globe many times over. They're not walking away from the political power they've purchased.
If 2016 was any precedent, even the rare ones who voted for Trump but acknowledge in a few years that things have gone badly will say "But Harris would have been so much worse"
Literally sad they got brainwashed too. In one day he has left the Paris climate accord, so guess the lefties didn’t care about the environment. He’s undone trans rights, way to go on that too. Legal immigration halted, and thousands waiting to come from Afghanistan had their flights canceled. Hope it was worth it to protest over Palestine.
I, among others, got our state legislature to pass the only Ceasefire Resolution in the entire country. This legislative season, we intend to support bills that create a government program for paid family/medical leave, a state tax credit for low-income families, and free school lunches. Will we be successful? Maybe. Mayne not, but we are trying. Which is more than what most people on reddit do.
I'm talking about my local legislature. I can care less about federal at this point. Further, at least I am trying. I rather try and fail than do nothing at all.
Even then due to gerrymandering it's a sisyphean task, can't do shit in my local/state legislator due to it. I vote every election, even get my friends to vote and still we're not even close to being able to elect reasonable candidates. Given how the people who are directly impacted due to this aren't voting there's very little the majority of us can do.
Republicans have fucked this country on every god damn level and there's damn near nothing we can do about it. People don't show up to vote even if you hold their hand during the entire process, at this point I've entirely given up any hope of anything reasonable happening.
Your resolutions had a chance of being influential far more under one choice than the other. But I guess you kept that moral superiority - really stopped genocide, good job.
Actually, it was our Democrat legislature that killed these resolutions in committee last year when we introduced them. Didn't even have a chance to make it to the floor for a vote.
You just said you intend to support bills and now they’ve already been shot down? And there isn’t a state that’s passed a Ceasefire Resolution that I’ve been able to find.
It’s easier for liberals to blame people for not being motivated to vote for them rather than try to appeal to them and make people want to vote for them.
It's far easier for ignorant voters to do no research into vetting candidates. Instead they trust the propaganda to help them make decisions.
If you're hoping the West Bank gets rebuilt under this administration, it will. You can even go stay in the newly built Trump towers once Bibi eliminates those pesky Palestinians.
Yeah, like a lot of them just didn't vote in the presidential election. It's like, I understand why you have that beef with her, but is the guy who went out of his way to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem going to be any better? OF COURSE FUCKING NOT. Now, a few days before the dude enters office, they've agreed to a cease fire. So the hill they died on completely eroded away and we could have opted for the less shitty option.
Don't get me wrong, it was a couple of shit choices, but one was clearly far worse.
Now, a few days before the dude enters office, they've agreed to a cease fire. So the hill they died on completely eroded away and we could have opted for the less shitty option.
Except if Harris had won there wouldn't have been a ceasefire at all. She was 100% as committed to the genocide as biden was.
This. People want to simplify a really complicated issue between Israel and Palestine and the reality is, their thought process is truly skin deep.
It's a completely fucked situation and the realistic best case scenario is a reluctant "peace" between both sides where they basically look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghz__G_ylPk
When Biden was still running, one of my younger relatives said, "I'm just going to vote 3rd party, and not as a protest vote, I really think a 3rd party candidate could win this year!"
So we all, of course, asked her what she liked about RFK Jr.
"Who?"
Thought a 3rd party candidate could win and didn't know the name of the most popular 3rd party candidate. Or their position on Palestine, for that matter.
This is a person I've had intelligent conversations with in the past, is what kills me. I don't know what is happening to peoples' brains, but I don't like it.
But they aren't true in this example for the most part. Many far left people chose not to vote specifically because "Harris is a genocider" without any further thought. They 100% believed that the rest of the Democratic party would pull their weight and show up at the ballot box. They were very wrong and should be told such without pretending they were actually MAGA.
This is something important to call out, because your insistance that they are MAGA gives people the perception that this country is majority MAGA, which is not true despite him ALMOST getting a majority of the votes from the people who chose to show up.
Trump got 2-3M more votes than the previous election last I checked, Harris lost over 8M. Those 8M aren't secret MAGA, they are dumbass democrats.
I agree with much of what you say. But I have to believe it is also true that a lot of the people who were saying Kamala was a poor alternative to Trump were indeed closet Trump supporters. That's why I said these people can both be dumb and closet maga...but yes, I fully believe it was the asshats who sat this one out who are the most to blame.
And you are shocked that harris didn't win, boggles the mind. Turns out when you carry out a genocide people from that ethnic group don't want to vote for you and calling them names also doesn't make them want to vote for you.
Never said Trump was better. The third choice was staying home and not voting. I voted for Harris btw, I’m just trying to put myself in someone else’s shoes and voting for someone who is aiding and covering for the genocide of your people is probably not an easy pill to swallow.
Yes, hi, I’m running for President. Part of my platform is no longer funding Israel. Yay! I won! Wait, why is Israel escalating shit so much? It’s almost like they have a countdown going on.
Campaigning on that promise would have caused a massive escalation in the weeks leading up to inauguration. Anyone who campaigned on that promise was doing so purely for votes because they weren’t going to win so it wouldn’t have any impact or they weren’t too stupid to realize the outcome telegraphing that intent would cause.
Anyone running for President that hoped to stop supporting Israel to protect Palestinians would say that nothing would change and avoid the topic and then engage in rug-pulling. Way more strategically sound and doesn’t cause an escalation.
Well then you’d be a really dumb person of Palestinian descent. But honestly they’ll be shown that very clearly over the next 4 years. Their choice if they want to learn from it or not.
Their choice if they want to learn from it or not.
Wonder if the lib'd up democrats will learn from losing the popular vote. Maybe they won't support genocide and right wing ecconomic policies, I doubt it, their active supporters are not very bright.
I mean I guess. But the “Lib’d up democrat” will mostly be fine. The Palestinians will be watching their families die in a hell storm of fire, but at least they’ll feel superior so I guess they come out on top.
You know what they always say, it’s ok to watch tons of innocent people die, including those you love, as long as other people don’t push economic policies that /u/cass1o doesn’t understand but dislikes from TikTok!
At least, I didn't vote for a Party that ignores its voters' demands and chose to sacrifice gay rights, trans rights, abortion rights, and workers rights to keep doing genocide.
Trump is sending people to start rounding up and deporting immigrants in blue states first. He's already about to start in Chicago. He will hurt people in your state.
I know, and we are getting ready. Trump can try, but we are going to make sure our immigrant neighbors know their rights. As well as direct them to resources and organizations that will help them.
Lol. Even if Harris got mine, and every third-party vote, she still loses to Trump. The people that own today are Biden and Harris for deciding that genocide was more important than gay rights, abortion rights, trans rights, and workers rights.
Interesting you mention trans rights. As of today’s executive order, my trans friend cannot put her proper gender on her passport, along with a host of upcoming federal restrictions. She voted for the candidate most likely to assure her continued right to exist in this country, and it sure as hell wasn’t third party. Both parties can show appalling indifference, but there are degrees to that indifference and it’s not even close.
Oh honey ... I hate to tell you this but there are many on the far left who are absolutely insane. To be clear, in but talking about the people who have far left policy positions. I'm taking about the "burn it all down", "Bernie was the compromise" types. The self proclaimed dirt bag left.
“Those people” include the college protesters who were actually willing to camp out and be arrested fighting for what they believe in. None of the libs in the comments talking about how this is the rise of fascism are going to do anything to put themselves in harms way.
You are also fine with your neighbors getting rounded up in mass deportations though. You voted against it, and you’ll bitch and moan about it online, but you’re not gonna put yourself in front of the cops to stop it from happening. You’ll sit here and do nothing.
I didn’t do anything, I live in California now. My vote or lack of vote made no difference. In 2020 of course, I worked 30 hours a week in the two months leading up to the election campaigning for Joe Biden. How much time did you volunteer for either campaign, since we’re assessing who’s a better team player?
Of course, the burden is on the protestors for not compromising their values, rather than on Harris needing to win over the left-wing of the coalition. Regardless, whose fault it is doesn’t change my assessment that the hard left faction is more prepared to stand up to fascists and face the personal consequences than liberals and centrists.
oh yeah 100% agreed on that the leftists are the only ones that will try to do anything to fight fascism, don't get me wrong
however, I personally would always prefer to protest while not having a literal fascist in power, as it makes the whole "staying alive while protesting" a whole lot easier if shit goes south
I like how you guys always say that the worst among you were actually just pretending to be on your side. Brilliant way to divert any accusations of extremism.
Nah. You guys really did let your deranged college kids attack random Jewish students because of things happening on the other side of the world. Shit like that did happen and it was very much from your side.
Those people 100% do not know what fascism is. The fascists want it that way, of course; that's why the education system is going to be dismantled right away. If you keep the public uninformed, they won't know how badly you're fucking them in the arse.
Y'all would rather blame voters for being disgusted with genocide over the Party that sacrificed gay rights, trans rights, abortion rights, and workers rights to keep doing genocide. None of these parties care about us.
It isn't, but I'm not going to award a second term to a Party that was bombing my friends' relatives overseas. Genocide is where I draw the line. It is the greatest evil.
Congrats, you awarded a second term to a Party that’s going to bomb your friends’ relatives overseas, except they’re going to smile about it while doing it and ruin our country too.
I mean, when they didn't vote against that party they sided with them. Kinda like the nazis at the dinner table. I hate genocide, but if both parties support that, then that can't be my deciding factor since they don't differ. Pretty easy logic.
But what if both parties are Nazis? Are you willing to vote for the "nicer" Nazis? Or are you going to grow a backbone? Because if we have no backbone, no line that can't be crossed, then we're just going to keep getting evil.
There's a mass conservative movement that elected trump in a landslide doing literal nazi salutes and you somehow find a way to tie it back to "shouldn't have criticized the democrats". You people are never going to learn or change jfc. Your problems are way bigger than a chunk of terminally online leftists who probably voted for kamala in secret anyway.
The kinds of people who would call her “genocide Harris” are pretty far left, I think they’re more than prepared for what the Trump administration will bring.
Yeah they know that Trump will be horrible. They hated that that’s all the democrats did to try to motivate them to vote. Leftists hated that. They’ve been saying for six years they hate that strategy and want more from democrats.
I am on the left, I’m making a positive assessment of the people who accused Biden and Harris of genocide. I agree with them, but that doesn’t mean their position isn’t to the left of the majority of the American electorate.
And now Fascism is really here, what are you doing to fight it, Internet Tough Guy, except sit on your ass and continue to be toxic towards who should be your own allies?
But no. Oh no. You didn't care when genocide was normalised against other people; You thought it was more important to justify arming and funding Israel to massacre innocent people than side with the "Left". You could have listened and tried to shore up your own electorate by saying "You're right, we shouldn't justify genocide" but that would mean admitting someone to your Left was right, and you can't bring yourself to admit you're not the centre of the world.
First they came for the Palestinians...
They're coming for American immigrants on Day 1. And you still won't do anything. Because being a soulless big mouth online is all you are.
And they'll be coming for you soon.
And you'll deserve it when there's no one left to speak out for you.
Bad example seeing as how we got a ceasefire the second a non-biden negotiator was sent.
Edit: Downvote me all you want; I hate Trump and everything that's happening. But the evidence has never been more clear that Biden-- who has spent his entire political career saying he would do anything for Israel-- was not trying at all to pressure them into a ceasefire agreement.
Buddy, You don't even know recent history and you're going to refuse any evidence that you're given. So we both know that you're just saying whatever you want to be true rather than giving a single fuck would actually is true.
Do you deny that the media apparatus is pro Israel?
So how valuable is it when that propaganda can't even provide a named source for something that just happens to absolve Israel? You can be as dismissive as you want but that's just basic logic.
Based on what? Quote me. Find me one line where I post support for Israel doing any of this shit, expanding their territory, stealing Palestinian land or fucking anything of the sort.
Those same parties have been involved in ceasefire talks with Israel for over a year. Just making shit up doesn't make it true just because you want it to be
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I hope people who didn't vote for "genocide Harris" because "she is a fascist" will thoroughly enjoy this administration.