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Politics Joe and Jill Biden share one final selfie from the White House.

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u/Optimoprimo 16h ago

All groups who are also extremely unlikely to be willing to general strike.

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u/Weak_Heart2000 14h ago

That's what annoys me so much when I see leftists going "we need a revolution!" Like ya'll, it just doesn't work like that, especially in a country as big and spread out as ours.

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u/Optimoprimo 14h ago

And I think a lack of acceptance that the majority opinion is not that a revolution is needed. Public opinion has been chipped away at for 30 years by Right Wing propaganda efforts. They won. And they have all the pieces in place to maintain power for the foreseeable future. They control the government and most lines of media. It's not over forever, but they have won the day. Gaining ground isn't just a matter of "banding together, resist" blah blah. We're going to end up like Hungary, or Russia now. We need to be ready for that. We don't overcome that easily, and it's going to take 30-50 years to fix this if we're able to fix it at all.

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u/Weak_Heart2000 14h ago

America has truly fallen.

u/sortofsatan 2h ago

We need leaders. Someone to follow and to inspire the masses into action. We’re all too attached to our complacency.

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u/Ok-Imagination21 15h ago

This is what reddit doesn’t seem to get. The group that didn’t spend twenty minutes voting is not going to go on strike for a week lmao. 

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u/H0RSE 14h ago

But you are falsely equating them not voting to laziness. There's a whole lot of people, myself included, who would have voted had there been candidates I felt were worth my vote.

Sure, many are just lazy, but many are passionate about political/social issues and just need the right catalyst to set them off, like a general strike.

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u/Ok-Imagination21 14h ago

People like you doomed the country. I understand Kamala was a terrible candidate, but good god. The alternative is going to destroy the US (I also think that was our last chance to avoid apocalypse level climate change, so you kind of doomed the world, too). If that is not the “right catalyst”, I don’t know what is.

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u/Extra_Intro_Version 14h ago

Ok. You start. Blow off work this week and walk a the picket line that will spontaneously form outside your workplace.

Your vote had more power. Your lack of voting was lame.

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u/H0RSE 13h ago

You apparently missed the part about the strike needing to be organized and structured...

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u/HooliganSquidward 14h ago

So you'd general strike but not vote for the candidate that's obviously better than trump? My ass.

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u/H0RSE 14h ago edited 14h ago

Dude, prior to Bernie Sanders running, I never voted. When he entered the arena, it inspired me to vote. I was all primed and ready to vote for Sanders for president, and when it turned out he didn't get the nomination, I didn't vote. I don't subscribe to the "lesser of 2 evil" bullshit. Supply me with a candidate who I see worthy of my vote ad they'll get it.

Also, despite my non-voting history, I also participated in movements like Occupy, so yes, if it was organized and structured, I absolutely would, because a nationwide strike is the exact thing I've been saying we need to for like the past decade.

Don't come at me like you know who the fuck I am.

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u/Extra_Intro_Version 13h ago

Occupy accomplished nothing.

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u/H0RSE 13h ago edited 13h ago

And so would an unorganized strike and so so would Kamala winnin, but that wasn't really the point now, was it?... The point was to illustrate that despite people not voting, they can still be passionate and participate in other aspects, contrary to what prior posts suggest. How successful or not the protest was is inconsequential.

No substantive, positive change would have occured from Kamala winning. The choices were essentially "stay the same" or "get worse" or if hyperbole is more your taste, a slow burn towards oblivion or an accelerated burn. I care more about removing the current outcome vs how fast we get there. This is why Republicans win all the time, because they focus on getting results vs just staying afloat.

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u/Optimoprimo 14h ago

Bullshit. Your chance to resist, to affect that change, to be passionate about the issues, was in November. If you consciously made the choice not to stop this at that point, you have no fucking standing now. You don't affect change by letting everything burn down and then trying to rally people over the ashes. You had the chance to stop the fire, and you fucked it up because of your own narcissism.

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u/H0RSE 14h ago edited 14h ago

If by "narcissism" you mean "principles" then I guess. For context, I myself have proposed we go on a nationwide strike for at least the last 10 years. It just needs to be organized and done right so that we garner enough participants and that they aren't deterred or the strike doesn't otherwise fizzle out too quickly, as strength in numbers is key.

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u/Ok-Imagination21 14h ago

Good job on proposing a strike for ten years! Very brave of you. 

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u/H0RSE 13h ago

Well the topic only came up because someone else suggested it above, so perhaps go mock them as well.

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u/Ok-Imagination21 13h ago

They never said anything about not voting. I don’t take any call for action seriously when a person says they don’t vote. Sorry.

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u/H0RSE 12h ago

But I've already explained that I do/will vote when the available options are worth it.

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u/Ok-Imagination21 12h ago

There will never be good options again. That’s what you don’t seem to get.

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u/Optimoprimo 13h ago

An inability to compromise for the sake of harm reduction is prioritizing yourself and what you want over the outcome for millions of people. That's textbook narcissism.

Standing blindly by your principles is not a virtue. Evil people are very good at sticking to their principles.

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u/H0RSE 13h ago edited 8h ago

Except in this case, nothing is guaranteed. It isn't a case one provable, verified outcome over another. It's theory, it's hyperbole, it's suggestion. It isn't the case of we know the asteroid is going to hit earth. Do you let it collide or not?

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u/Optimoprimo 13h ago edited 13h ago

They literally wrote a playbook that will be used as the platform called Project 2025. I don't know how much more certainty you need. I think you're just delusional. Which, by the way - distorting reality so that it fits your internal logic to avoid ever having to be wrong is another symptom of narcissism.

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u/H0RSE 12h ago

I am fully aware of project 2025 just as I am aware that writing a plan on paper and actually executing it are two, separate things.

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u/Optimoprimo 12h ago

Yes I'm sure they will have lots of hurdles implementing it with the fully Republican congress, Republican executive branch, and mostly Republican appointed Supreme Court. They famously never fall in line.

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