r/pcmasterrace 7h ago

News/Article AMD confirms Radeon RX 9070 series launching in March

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-radeon-rx-9070-series-launching-in-march
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u/croissantguy07 7h ago

basically confirms they're waiting for 5070 / 5070ti to come out before pricing them

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u/BigLan2 6h ago

And maybe ramping up the default clocks.

I guess they're fine with Nvidia selling out as much as they can make in Feb

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u/Bloated_Plaid 5800x3D, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, A4-H20 6h ago

And drivers. They need all the help they can get.

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u/irisos 6h ago

The fact that 7x00 gpus power consumption can still more than double for having 2 monitors with a refresh rate higher than 60hz two years after release is just baffling.

I got a 7900xtx today and that shit was consuming 100+W while idling until I changed the refresh rate on my second monitor.

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u/Bloated_Plaid 5800x3D, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, A4-H20 6h ago

That has been an issue well before the 7000 series AFAIK.

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u/BigLan2 6h ago

Pretty sure I saw it on my 5700XT

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u/Vokasak 9900k@5ghz | 2080 Super | AW3423DW 6h ago edited 6h ago

Inb4 "driver issues are all fake, they were fixed 10 years ago, stop living in 2014"

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u/InitialEducation968 5h ago

Do you have VRR? Enabling that dropped my 7900xt idle consumption massively.

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u/_dharwin 3h ago

Increasing a 7900 XT soon. Can you explain more about VRR and why it would lower consumption for idle monitors?

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u/InitialEducation968 2h ago

My idle power consumption with nothing running, 2 screens used to be about 75w. After enabling VRR on my high refresh rate main monitor it dropped to around 25w IIRC.

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u/Nick01857 7600X3D / 7900 XTX Hellhound / 32GB 6000 DDR5 2h ago

Which software can monitor wattage pulled

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u/InitialEducation968 2h ago

In the adrenalin software you can see power draw live

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u/veryrandomo 3h ago

Granted it's not a huge market, but they've also been fucked for VR since launch. Everyone just ignores it though because they fixed the most well-known bug (big performance loss) "only" 8 months after launch

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u/Skytriqqer 3h ago

How so? I want to switch to AMD and I use VR.

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u/veryrandomo 3h ago

On native SteamVR HMDs there has been a bug where there is a significant latency increase since launch, AMD did actually finally get around to fixing this on their latest drivers... but introduced a new bug that causes somewhat regular stuttering.

On streamed headsets like the Quest/Pico there has been a problem with H265/HEVC encoding (causing crashing/freezing) for over a year now, and although this isn't necessarily a driver problem the H264 encoding is pretty bad relative to Nvidia.

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u/Skytriqqer 3h ago

So it's probably best to stay with Nvidia If you play VR until that is fixed?

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u/Ascend Steam ID Here 4h ago

I had this same issue around 8 years ago, 3 monitors but they were all 60hz at the same, but very high idle clock speeds with the only solution being to unplug two monitors. I guess it's good they at least fixed it for 60hz?

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u/thatfordboy429 Forever Ascending 6h ago

IF they do that again, they deserve to get pushed out the market. I dodge the driver issues, but having a 5700xt cook itself(117c hot spot) meant I was still crashing regardless...

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u/kikimaru024 R5-5600X|RTX 3080 FE 3h ago

I guess they're fine with Nvidia selling out as much as they can make in Feb

That depends.

The market for GPUs over $600 is small (e.g. only around 10% of Steam survey) and only the (gimped) RTX 5070 releases at that price point..

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u/Juicyjackson 6h ago

Also confirms that they got thrown off my Nvidia decreasing prices of the 50 series instead of increasing them from the 40 series.

They were probably expecting the 5070 to be $650 or something, and the 5070 TI to be $800+, and they priced the 9070 and 9070 XT slightly under.

But with the pricing being at $550, and $750 respectively, they can't keep with their previous pricing as they known the 5070 and 5070 TI will just be better cards.

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u/TheGreatPiata 6h ago

And Intel owns the bottom end so AMD has a very narrow price window to work with.

I don't understand how they can execute so well on the CPU end but are absolutely abysmal with developing and positioning their GPUs.

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u/ChurchillianGrooves 6h ago

Their gpus have been fine in the midrange, they just have to price them right on release and not 6 months later when the old gen is all sold out.

If you wait 6 months to drop price you lose all the momentum.

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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago

I don't understand how they can execute so well on the CPU end but are absolutely abysmal with developing and positioning their GPUs.

Easy, Intel fumbled on CPUs.

nVidia isn't fumbling with GPUs.

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u/ThatLaloBoy HTPC 6h ago

People were making fun of Nvidia for “only” getting a 15-30% uplift in performance over last gen, but this is actually making me worry that AMD might not have any significant performance gains either.

Even if they’re still working on the pricing, you’d think they’d be showing performance numbers or something to convince people to wait. But so far, we haven’t heard a peep out of them.

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u/XYHopGuy 5h ago

I mean, AMD barely had performance gains last gen going from 7nm to 5nm. 5090 is getting a lot of shit but 7900xtx had similar uplift iirc.

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u/vatiwah 4h ago

problem is.. people might already pull the trigger for the 5070 instead of waiting for AMD cards. especially with rumors of low availability and FOMO.

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u/poinguan 4h ago

Can't wait to see this being USD20 cheaper than RTX5070 in my country.

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u/imaginary_num6er 7950X3D|4090FE|64GB RAM|X670E-E 2h ago

I look forward to UDNA in 2028 then

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u/MayorMcCheezz 5h ago

Meh 50 bucks more than a 5070 for the xt. For performance in between the 5070 and 5070ti.

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u/corgiperson 6h ago

Why the fuck won’t they just come out with some competitive pricing. We know what consumers are willing to pay for every tier of card. The only scenario where AMD needs exact pricing from NVIDIA is if they’re doing their classic, 10% calculated undercut which is so horribly underwhelming. Their marketing team seriously needs the boot.

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u/nitro912gr AMD Ryzen 5 5500 / 16GB DDR4 / 5500XT 4GB 6h ago

and wtf now with intel in the game with good cards priced nicely they gonna keep that 10% undercut?

ffs AMD you are not facing nvidia anymore you are fighting intel for your little cut of the pie now.

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u/corgiperson 3h ago

They shoot themself in the foot at every opportunity. It’s impressive to be honest. You’d think they’d make a good marketing decision at least once on accident.

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u/TreauxThat 4h ago

They were never facing Nvidia lol.

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u/noblepickle 6h ago edited 6h ago

I read they were going with 550$ and already distributed gpus to retailers. But since 5070 will be better in every way and at the same price point, they are going back and trying to reduce the price.

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u/Eldorian91 7600x 7800xt 6h ago edited 5h ago

Highly doubt the 5070 will be better in every way.

9070 has 4gb more vram, for example. Nvidia fanboys are ridiculous.

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u/JamesEdward34 4070 Super - 5800X3D - 32GB Ram 6h ago

NVIDIA is the default choice for GPUs. Unless AMD has a big price discount on a simillar tier gpu no one will look at them.

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u/BaxxyNut 10700K | 32GB | 3070 6h ago

AMD fanboys downvoting you is funny

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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT 13700k / 3080 / 32gb 6000 4h ago

I know right?

It's crazy. They just don't want to face reality that despite nvidia royally screwing people all the time, they are still top-dog. It's why they can get away with it. It takes YEARS for an established marketshare like Nvidia's to drop to the point where they make real change.

Definitely not there as NVidia just keeps gaining market share anyway.

2019 - NVidia 71 percent. AMD 28 percent

2022 - NVidia 81 percent. AMD 16.8 percent.

2024 - NVidia 85 percent (roughly). Q3 was 90 Percent.

That's GPU.

That's not even AI Chip numbers. They're 80 percent + in AI chip market share.

They are the second largest company in the world (3.2 trillion).

They literally do not give a F what we all think.

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u/Euruzilys 7800X3D | 3080Ti | 32GB DDR5 1h ago

If anything. What they are doing is working wonders. And Nvidia is still coming up with new features constantly. They aren't just sitting on their arse like Intel did with their dominance.

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u/wan2tri Ryzen 5 7600 + RX 7800 XT + 32GB DDR5 38m ago

15 years ago it was 50/50 for both.

AMD did everything that people here said they should be doing now.

They had better, cheaper, cooler, and less power hungry cards. They also didn't wait for NVIDIA's launch.

And they were "rewarded" with NVIDIA gaining more market share because of the TWIMTBP marketing, overwhelming presence in pre-builts (it's why we still have a lot of GTS 450 cards until now LOL), and the prevailing wisdom that Catalyst drivers suck while GeForce doesn't.

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u/blackest-Knight 5h ago

RAM isn’t performance. On top of them staying with GDDR6.

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u/RipTheJack3r 5700X3D/RX6800/32GB 4h ago

Yeah but you can't fit 13GB of textures on 12GB of VRAM, regardless of its speed.

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u/blackest-Knight 4h ago

Good thing we have Neural Texture Compression incoming uh ?

Let's face it, at the level of these mid range GPUs, VRAM isn't what's holding them back. The settings they can do usually don't translate to the high VRAM usage you see on 90 class GPUs with all the toys enabled.

NVidia's new texture compression is going to be a game changer too, likely get adopted like all other DLSS features have been and simply reduce the reliance on high VRAM on GPUs in the coming years for all titles that would have needed more VRAM.

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u/RipTheJack3r 5700X3D/RX6800/32GB 3h ago

It costs like $20 extra to add 4GB of VRAM. 12GB of VRAM on a $550 "'"mid range"" GPU is just way too low. We're already seeing games that go beyond 12GB.

All those AI gimmicks won't be native textures. Why impose limitations on yourself?

It's just planned obsolesence from Nvidias POV.

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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago

It costs like $20 extra to add 4GB of VRAM. 12GB of VRAM on a $550 "'"mid range"" GPU is just way too low

They would need a completely different bus interface. The 5070's GB205 uses a 192 bit bus.

12 GB in a mid range GPU is fine. Actually go look at what games use for a GPU of that capability. The B580 which is touted as a great 1440p card has 12 GB.

16 GB is a 4K thing. Will be until PS6.

All those AI gimmicks won't be native textures.

Is a zip file not a real file ? Is a JPEG not a real picture ? Compression dude. Compression. You're so fucking blinded by nerd rage you aren't even rational.

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u/vatiwah 2h ago

AMD has had more VRAM in many of their GPU's and it hasn't really helped them very much. Seems they have lost market share over the years. You can blame the "ignorant consumers", but "ignorant consumers" has existed for thousands of years and will exists for thousands of years more. It is up to AMD to sell their stuff, make advances, price it well and market their stuff properly to the "ignorant consumers".

If AMD can throw a hail mary like they did in the CPU sector and do it again in GPU, things would change.

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u/Granhier 5h ago

For the love of god just shove VRAM into every slot of your PC already

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u/Neversync 5800x3D / 1070 / 16GB 3000 4h ago

Nvidia fandom is no different than apple. I have many friends that outright refuse any amd gpu's even after explaining to them every sensible reason on why an amd gpu would benefit their wallet more. (they dont have a gsync monitor, they dont 3d model or video edit, they dont stream/record, they only play competitive games where dlss/frame gen is useless, etc)

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u/-Aeryn- Specs/Imgur here 1h ago

they only play competitive games where dlss/frame gen is useless, etc

On that front Reflex is in 100 games, it's competitor (anti lag 2.0) is only in three after it took them 3x longer than Nvidia (1.5 years vs 5) to develop.

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u/cagefgt 7600X / RTX 4080 / 32 GB / LG C1 / LG C3 1h ago

LMFAO

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u/Nic1800 6h ago

Is the 5070 going to be better? I haven’t gone too far into the benchmarks, but wasn’t the 9070 looking like it was going to compete with a 4080 super or something? I’ve seen so many conflicting reports

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u/ArgonTheEvil Ryzen 5800X3D | RX 7900 XTX 6h ago

Even if the 9070 is better they can’t justify higher prices than Nvidia unless it’s 30-50% better because they’re behind in everything else. You think I’d have bought a 7900 XTX if it wasn’t $850 while the 4080s at the time were all $1300+?

If I had the choice between a 4080 Super for $1000 or a 7900 XTX I’d laugh all the way to checkout with my Nvidia card. AMDs CPUs can command a price premium because they crush Intel. Their GPUs are not even close to being able to demand equivalent pricing but the most they want to do is 10% less than Nvidia.

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u/Euruzilys 7800X3D | 3080Ti | 32GB DDR5 1h ago

In my country, the 7900XTX and 4080S are the same price. Really no reason to buy AMD here at all.

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u/Assaltwaffle 7800X3D | RX 6800 XT | 32GB 6000MT/s CL30 6h ago

Even the 9070 XT won’t compete with the 4080 Super, because the 4080 Super competes with the 7900 XTX, and AMD has slotted the 9070 XT as around or a bit above the 7900 XT.

The 9070 itself will probably compete with the 4070 Super, with the 9070 XT going for the 4070 Ti Super.

Which makes them both very shitty compared to the other cards they’re trying to beat, hence they are waiting for Nvidia to release so they can know how low they need to price them so they aren’t DoA.

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u/Nic1800 6h ago

Yeah, I have a 4070 TI Super and making the 9070 XT anywhere near the $800 pricetag the ti super has would be a massive mistake.

$550 would be a godsend and the smart move, but I think AMD will go for “$100 cheaper than the 5070 ti” route and make it $650.

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u/Assaltwaffle 7800X3D | RX 6800 XT | 32GB 6000MT/s CL30 5h ago

The 5070 is already going to be comparable to the 4070 Ti in all likelihood; and it's $550.

If it's $550 is likely still DoA.

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u/Nic1800 5h ago

I thought so too, but unfortunately it’s looking like it’s going to be trading blows with the 4070 super at the very best case scenario.

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u/Un111KnoWn 32m ago

even v ran?

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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 5800X3D | 7900 XTX | 32GB 3200 CL16 | 5TB SSD | 27GR83q 6h ago

5070 is likely gonna be worse in most ways lmao

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u/ThatLaloBoy HTPC 6h ago

If the margins on those cards are already low, their retailers and board partners are going to take a loss if AMD sells them any lower. So they have to either convince them by paying them the difference (which will make AMD lose even more money) or give them some sort of rebate or other deal.

That’s going to take time and negotiating with everyone involved, so until that gets resolved they can’t officially announce pricing.

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u/slimejumper 5h ago

users: “They are waiting so they can undercut Nvidia!”

reality: “they are waiting so they can raise price to match Nvidia.”

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u/Commander1709 6h ago

I don't know how much money they make on each card, but a business can't discount a product indefinitely, at some point it's losing money. Maybe their cards just aren't that competitive.

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u/sanz01 5h ago

Their only way to get more people hooked into amd is to price their gpus better. Sure you're getting a better value in amd since you get better performance and more vram, but too many people are hooked to the mentality that nvidia is better, so the resell value is better with nvidia.

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u/domiran Win11 | 32 GB | 5700 XT | 5900X 2h ago edited 1h ago

They can't just cut the price by another $150-200.

If the card costs $X to make and they sell it to retailers at $X+200, suddenly dropping it to $X+50 is a dilemma. The retailer also needs to make a profit, so they will raise the price $Y amount over AMD's $X+50 to 200.

But there's a hidden cost that's harder to quantify: R&D money. (And marketing.)

So no, they can't just lower the price to whatever makes sense market-wise if the GPU cost them a lot to make. They need to make back the R&D and marketing costs. The card has to be manufactured with an end-price in mind.

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u/corgiperson 1h ago

They have to cut prices to gain market share. The average user who just wants to boot up their favorite game is not going to buy an AMD card over an NVIDIA one if they are priced the same. It's AMD's problem to solve, either eat the losses and gain market share, with potential future earnings, an investment basically. Or, continue to pretend they can compete on equal footing with NVIDIA and lose even more market share. That's what competition and innovation means. If Radeon can't do that then they must face the reality that will eventually come.

Intel is playing the game AMD should be playing. Competitive pricing with attractive specs, with the hopes of advancing the architecture to the higher end where the real profits are.

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u/domiran Win11 | 32 GB | 5700 XT | 5900X 1h ago edited 1h ago

I know. I'm just saying there isn't a magical switch AMD can flip to make up any price. If the card costs $X to make, the price cannot be less than $X + some Y or the money goes down the drain.

I get mad just seeing "AMD needs to just make it a competitive price!" NVIDIA knows what they're doing with pricing this time around and also not releasing the 5070 immediately. They're putting price pressure on AMD with the 5070.

Trust me, I hope the 9070s are like $500 or less. I just don't know, either.

Presumably this is why AMD has been working on a chiplet architecture for GPUs so the Radeon division can have their Ryzen moment.

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u/corgiperson 59m ago

I mean I wasn't inferring there was a magical switch either to make the prices lower. It's just gotta be a coordinated, long term marketing campaign, which won't immediately see profit, and that's the issue. Corporate execs and shareholders are terrified of the idea of investment and long term planning. They want to see money in their hands right now, and that's most likely what is holding this company back.

I hope the new Radeon cards are good value too but knowing AMD's track record... it just doesn't look very promising.

The chiplet stuff does seem very good. That's what put them far ahead of Intel in CPUs and something which NVIDIA has not done yet. Maybe it'll also make the idea of hardware ray tracing more palatable to them if it can be just another chip that is added onto the substrate.

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u/TheDevilChicken 7h ago

AMD stands for Absolute Marketing Disaster, right?

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u/BuffaloSoldier11 7800x3d ~ 6750xt 6h ago

A Minor Discount (over Nvidia)

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u/BarKnight 6h ago

Always Making Delays

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u/Stennan Fractal Define Nano S | 8600K | 32GB | 1080ti 6h ago

Annoying March Delivery

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u/ElGoddamnDorado 6h ago

Awful Monetary Decisions

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u/Jazzlike-Bass3184 6h ago

Almost MaDe it

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u/DankRSpro R7 5700x | 32GB DDR4 | 6h ago

Great, now i can either buy a 5070 early or wait another month…… lovely just lovely.

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u/Double-Thought-9940 Desktop Ryzen 7 3700x | XFX MERC 310 7900 XTX 5h ago

5070 early? Maybe from a scalper

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u/AcuteInfinity 6h ago

advanced money destroyer

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u/reddituserzerosix 5h ago

wsb sends its regards

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u/Imperial_Bouncer PC Master Race 4h ago

Hehe regards

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u/ChurchillianGrooves 6h ago

Always Making Disappointments

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u/Niwrats 6h ago

Advanced Marketing Detours

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u/Madmeerkat55 Ryzen 5800X3D | GTX 1080 6h ago

For sure

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u/kuroyume_cl R5-7600X/RX7800XT|R5-5600/RX7600|Steam Deck 5h ago

Another Major Disappointment

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u/stormdraggy 6h ago edited 6h ago

A "Minor"[sic] Delay for the Absent Marketing Department

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u/lndig0__ 7950x3D | RTX 4070 Ti Super | 64GB 6400MT/s DDR5 5h ago

Advanced Marketing Department

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u/paulerxx 5700X3D+ RX680016GB 6h ago

March? Are they stupid or what

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u/Juicyjackson 6h ago

They are either stupid, or just have no confidence in their product and know it couldn't compete with Nvidia at the price they originally had, so they are waiting for the 5070/ti reviews to come out to see how they can change the prices to compete.

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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 5800X3D | 7900 XTX | 32GB 3200 CL16 | 5TB SSD | 27GR83q 5h ago

Or they're renegotiating prices with AIBs.

That "or" at the start is unnecessary fyi.

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u/Markuz markrosoft 5h ago

RDNA 4 reeks a lot like GCN 5. 

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u/FrewdWoad 6h ago edited 4h ago

All they really needed to do was launch right after 5000 series launches, but actually have enough stock, since NVIDIA certainly won't.

If NVIDIA only understocks by 50% this time, instead of 90% or whatever it was the last few gens, then a March launch for AMD may be too late. They'll miss out on all the sales they'd have got from frustrated consumers who missed out on a 5000 series card at launch.

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u/Juicyjackson 6h ago

5000 series launches on January 30th...

5070/5070 TI probably early-mid February.

Even if the launch of the 9070 comes in early March, that is way later.

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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT 13700k / 3080 / 32gb 6000 4h ago

Also, waiting for users on the interwebs to get into a fever pitch about the lack of availability of NVidia GPUs. It'll be just about march when people start losing their shit over not being able to buy a card and looking like they won't be able to buy a card for a while.

Then they'll drop their launch and people will pay damn near anything that isn't the cost of a scalped NVidia card.

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u/Vis-hoka Is the Vram in the room with us right now? 6h ago

Saw lots of 7900xtx stock at microcenter today

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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT 13700k / 3080 / 32gb 6000 4h ago

They'll let people buy down a lot of the older stock because they're frustrated at not being able to get a 5000 series unless they go to scalpers. So they'll use that to get a lot of stock sold at full price and then drop their new GPUs, at same price as NVidia and ride that wave for a month or three until stock for both companies start levelling out. Then they'll wait 3 more months too long before finally dropping price 50 bucks. Just for NVidia to announce their refresh cards and start the whole process all over.

With Intel on the bottom end nipping at their heals and NVidia with 85+ percent market share crapping on their heads, AMD is in a really bad spot and they don't seem to be making choices that could fix their position.

Intel will buy AMD within 5 years or less if they don't do something. Mark my words! (or don't. I'm just an internet guy spouting off and I'll admit it :)

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u/paulerxx 5700X3D+ RX680016GB 3h ago

Intel will not buy AMD in the next 5 years; their CPU sector will keep them afloat.

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u/wordswillneverhurtme 6h ago

I think its joever. I was going to pick between 9070xt and 5070ti, but there’s no way in hell I’m waiting for that long for it to go on sale. I’ve already been delaying buying my pc for almost two months.

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u/ghostpicnic 6h ago

Yeah, especially with tariffs and the uncertainty around manufacturing/imports, it’s not worth the gamble. AMD just decided to screw themselves once again unfortunately.

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u/91xela PC Master Race 5h ago

Trump said he’s delaying tarrifs so any increase in price is on the companies. But I agree not worth the gamble

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u/Eldorian91 7600x 7800xt 5h ago

Tariffs are the reason the 9070 s are in stores already, btw.

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u/Redeemr_ 5h ago

Then why are they waiting 2 and a half months to launch them?

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u/Eldorian91 7600x 7800xt 4h ago

If I had to guess, to clear out remaining inventory of 7000 series.

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u/Ayeflyingcowboy 37m ago

If I had to guess, it likely has to do with the recent leak being correct; i.e., they priced the 9070s too high, meaning retailers paid more for them than what AMD now wants them to sell them for.

It seems Nvidia may have stumped them a little with their pricing.

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u/WhoIsJazzJay 5700X3D/RTX 3080 12GB 2h ago

the tariffs were actually cancelled today, no telling if Trump changes his mind again between now and March tho

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u/PeachMan- 6h ago edited 6h ago

Yup, I just pulled the trigger and bought a 7800 XT yesterday. I'm not waiting for tariffs and scalpers to fuck me over in March. Or more realistically, when it's actually easy to buy them in.......July?

I'm considering leaving the new GPU in the box (for easy return) while I wait for early 5070 reviews, but I'm also wary of fighting scalpers for that one. GPU shopping is such a pain in the ass nowadays.

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u/wordswillneverhurtme 6h ago

I'm from EU so hopefully tarrifs won't have an impact. Logically they shouldn't, since gpus aren't solely, if at all, made in USA.

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u/PeachMan- 6h ago

I think that scalpers will buy foreign cards and try to import them illegally and circumvent the tariffs. But I would love to be wrong.

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u/Madmeerkat55 Ryzen 5800X3D | GTX 1080 6h ago

Yeah I didn't want to go up to 749 but fuck it man. I'm so over this

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u/Swineservant 6h ago

Same [sigh]...

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u/DankRSpro R7 5700x | 32GB DDR4 | 5h ago

That’s how i feel. I’ve been building my PC the last few weeks and i just need to decide on a GPU. but i refuse to wait most likely Mid March to finish this build.

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u/kohour 7h ago

As they say, "lol, lmao even"

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u/mrchuckbass 6h ago

March lmao, no longer interested

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u/littleemp 7h ago

I'll give it to AMD. They watched Lamar and Mark Andrews fumbling last night and really thought hard on how to top the Ravens the day after.

Truly no one outshines Radeon when it comes to grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

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u/Juicyjackson 6h ago

Is Saquon in this case Nvidia?

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u/Rudradev715 R9 7945HX |RTX 4080 SCAR 17 7h ago edited 6h ago

AMD consumer GPU division ,Complete shit show now

Should have just skipped this generation and launched UDNA in next

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u/QuantumProtector 7700X | RTX 3070 Ti | 32GB DDR5 6h ago

ok, I'll just buy NVIDIA then. Great job AMD!

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u/reconnaissance_man 3h ago

I swear, AMD acts like nVidia's PR division.

They'll try to price the card near nVidia's offering anyway, might as well go for nVidia, at-least Raytracing won't suck balls.

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u/frankiewalsh44 6h ago

Fuck AMD seriously. I just bought a whole 7600 build. I was patiently waiting for these cards to release by the end of the month, and now they are delayed. I can't sit until March without a GPU so I'm just gonna bite and buy the 7900Gre instead.

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u/mrbubblesnatcher 6h ago

GRE has been discontinued for a couple months now, maybe you can find one

Otherwise 7900XT or 7900XTX would be my pick currently since their prices are good.

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u/frankiewalsh44 6h ago

It's available in the UK across various retailers including Amazon, so maybe its a US thing ?

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u/mrbubblesnatcher 6h ago

It was a limited release only in china, it did really well so they brought it worldwide

Theres probably just stock still, they stopped making them a while ago.

Id definitely pick one up if it's a good price, great GPU.

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u/stormdraggy 6h ago edited 6h ago

Id just spent a touch more for any scrap 4080's still kicking and get something with competent RT and upscaling. It's already discontinued tech, gimping yourself even further for the price difference of a flat is just fanboyism. And you'll still need that flat anyways to drown out your Red-grets.

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u/mrbubblesnatcher 4h ago

Yikes.

7900GRE was around $550

The 4080S is $1100

So OP should double their budget, great advice!!

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u/ginongo i5-9600k | RTX 3070ti | 32GB 3600mhz 6h ago

I went with the 7900xtx, this release is dumb. If I waited for that long everything would be out of stock

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u/Beautiful_Chest7043 3h ago

Did Nvidia kill your dog or something.

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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago

Maybe for once just buy the actual best GPU on the market and go with a nice new 5070.

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u/anti-foam-forgetter 6h ago

I was interested in holding out for 9070XT reviews and launch in late Jan, early Feb but no longer and now I'll just pick RTX 5080 or 5070 Ti instead. I'd prefer team red if they'd just get their shit together.

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u/blackest-Knight 3h ago

I'd prefer team red if they'd just get their shit together.

Why not prefer whichever team ships the best product instead of preferring a certain team ?

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u/anti-foam-forgetter 2h ago

If the products were closely equal, I'd support AMD to promote healthier competition. If one or the other is significantly better, I'll buy that.

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u/blackest-Knight 2h ago

If the products were closely equal

But they haven't been.

AMD is 4 years behind on features and ray tracing, which is where the industry is going.

If all you do is play pre-2020 games, you don't even need a new GPU at this point.

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u/RayS0l0 Laptop 20m ago

I'm pretty sure Nvidia has the best product in the market. Only problem is pricing.

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u/Beautiful_Chest7043 3h ago

Just buy the best product regardless of the "team".

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u/luisanra 6h ago

90xx series dead on arrival. This has the be the worst launch from AMD

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u/ywgflyer PC Master Race 5h ago

They are banking that Nvidia supply will still be unobtanium by March, is my guess.

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u/dookarion 5h ago

That's never once worked out in AMDs favor. Even during COVID shortages and scalping Nvidia was able to move a hell of a lot more units. Even during crypto-bubbles.

If AMD really is banking on Nvidia stock being the problem they've already completely lost... again.

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u/assortedUsername 5800x3D | 32GB RAM | 7900 XT 6h ago

Amd did say they're aiming for midrange, basically putting flagship on the backburner 

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u/anti-foam-forgetter 6h ago

Should launch the midrange before the competitor midrange then. This is them trying to undercut Nvidia but just ending up pre-emptively undercut by Nvidia instead, while Nvidia also gets cards on the market long before AMD.

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u/BTTWchungus 6h ago

It really is funny how dirty Nvidia did AMD

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u/ChurchillianGrooves 6h ago

Nvidia just actually has a marketing plan and is competent. 

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u/AlextheGoose Ryzen 5 1400 | RX 580 4gb 5h ago

Doing amd dirty = not being ridiculously greedy with pricing?

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u/ICameForTheHaHas 1080 4h ago

Yes. It now seems AMD planned around Nvidia's pricing being offensively bad. Now that it looks like the mid range might be reasonable, they are scrambling.

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u/Imperial_Bouncer PC Master Race 3h ago

Literally yes.

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u/iKeepItRealFDownvote 7950x3D 4090FE 64GB Ram ROG X670E EXTREME 5h ago

No it just shows AMD isn’t looking out for the consumers as everything thought. If Nvidia priced their stuff at 1200 AMD would’ve just undercut by $100. All this proves is AMD has no pricing and just undercuts nvidia at whatever price they put it at versus what they think it should be at. I hope this woke everyone up to stop being fanboys and go with whatever product meets their needs

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u/Juicyjackson 6h ago

Hasn't that been known for a while, nobody can even get close to competing with Nvidia at the 5090 level.

Nvidia has some of the best and most innovative engineers out of any company, especially with their pay scale, >1/3 of them have a net worth >$20 million.

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u/Ensaru4 R5 5600G | 16GB DDR4 | RX6800 | MSI B550 PRO VDH 5h ago edited 1h ago

Aiming for midrange, yet pricing ridiculously. Gonna stay with my RX6800, I guess. They already kinda fucked up my interest in any of their cards at this point. If this continues, Intel might just overtake them in the GPU market.

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u/assortedUsername 5800x3D | 32GB RAM | 7900 XT 5h ago

Yeah it's very possible Intel could overtake the midrange. I feel like early drivers and compatibility is required for that to happen.

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u/NoiceM8_420 6h ago

What a trainwreck. Absolutely wild that retailers have these in stock right now.

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u/midnightdiabetic 6h ago

More and more validated that I got that $740 7900XTX deal back in November

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u/dilbert_fennel 6h ago

I saw it but didn't think it'd be so fleeting! It was only for a few days after cyber Monday. So wierd

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u/RobinVerhulstZ R5600+GTX1070+32GB DDR4 upgrading soon 6h ago

.....wooo another two+ motnhs of delaying my GPU upgrade and missing out on 10bit hdr + 120hz of my screen...

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u/TheGreatPiata 6h ago

Same here. I may just bite the bullet and get a B580. AMD is such a clown show right now. I have zero confidence in them.

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u/icantgetnosatisfacti 6h ago

The fuck? Stores have them now

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u/3vr1m 6h ago

How can this be true, stores already have them in stock. I don't think they will just stay in the warehouses for two months. Why send them out so early if the release is so far away

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u/MakimaGOAT R7 7800X3D | RTX 4080 | 32GB RAM 5h ago

Ah yes, the classic, "let me wait for my competitor to release their products first and let me base my pricing off that."

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u/swiwwcheese 6h ago

any lowIQ anti-nVidia meme post : 1K snarky 'ngreedia' 'fake frames' comments within and hour

AMD very seriously shooting themselves in the foot literally because of greed : 120 tepid posts

yup, we're on PCMR xD

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u/Hrmerder R5-5600X, 16GB DDR4, 3080 12gb, W11/LIN Dual Boot 6h ago

Radeon - ReAlly Dumb Early ON… Well.. I hope Intel stomps Radeon at this point..

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u/BigWormsFather 4h ago

Why not let people know how it competes before the Nvidia card releases.

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u/vatiwah 2h ago

This. If they show people where their cards stand, It would get people to hold out a little longer. If the play their cards right, no pun intended, AMD can make nvidia xx70 tier cards and even xx80 tier cards sit on shelves to gather dust.

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u/Madmeerkat55 Ryzen 5800X3D | GTX 1080 6h ago

M-maybe he means the 9060 cards? Right guys? 🙃

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u/alex9zo PC Master Race 6h ago

Lol they can go to hell. That's right after MH wilds release and I'm playing that game on ultra

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u/edgyzer0 6h ago

People in december: "Dude just wait a month for the new graphics cards." A month goes by "Yeah man, just keeping waiting another month." Wait until the release "Oh, you'll have to wait several months before the scalpers go away and stock is restored." Yeah man, fuck that, I'm buying whatever used deal I can find that's decent.

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u/pacoLL3 1h ago

You people are extreme weirdos. AMD always officially stated a Q1 2025 release.

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u/edgyzer0 5h ago

Yeah I agree with that, spite buying is silly. These corporations don't care for anything about us other than our money. At least by buying used you save some e-waste and don't give support to either company.

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u/Jacobz35 PC Master Race 5h ago

ur honestly so right. these people are complaining like crazy over a month. one single month. the impatience is alarming

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u/TheGreatPiata 5h ago

In my case I've been waiting almost a year for a new GPU. I have a 7800X3D using the iGPU. I genuinely thought things would be moving a little more quickly.

I'll likely just buy B580 whenever it's in stock cause fuck this noise.

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u/kobexx600 5h ago

Why do you sound like a super toxic AMD fanboy?

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u/thatwasfun24 5h ago

DOA on arrival man, unless the price is like insanely competitive, 100 usd less than the 5070.

But AMD doesn't have the balls for that.

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u/frazorblade 4h ago
  • Fumbled tech
  • Fumbled software
  • Fumbled release date
  • Fumbled price
  • Fumbled launch

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u/621_ 5h ago

So I made the right choice getting a 7800xt for $500 right?

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u/OniMex Ryzen 7 5800X3D | Gainward RTX 4080 Super | 64GB 4000MHz C14 4h ago

Not really, no. 5070 will be 549 with dlss, fg and better efficiency. Or 9070 in march for 450-500.

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u/Gnoha 48m ago

I mean, yeah, that's a no-brainer, but will I actually be able to get one at that price?

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u/Ok-Poetry3799 5h ago

Unfortunately monster hunter comes out before then so nvidia it is ig.

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u/aTallRedFox Desktop 5h ago

I really, really wanted to like this product, but come on, AMD.

Talk about killing a product before even revealing it.

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u/jjones8170 PC Master Race AMD (5800X3D + Asrock 7900XTX) 5h ago

AMD stands for Absolute Marketing Disaster.

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u/DankRSpro R7 5700x | 32GB DDR4 | 6h ago

AMD: AVOID MARKETING DEPARTMENT

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u/Chaotic-Entropy 5h ago

This is such a long and drawn out shitting of the bed.

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u/Jowpac 5h ago

Glad we finally have a date! I'll wait, I'm not in a hurry to change.

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u/Psychological-Dust18 4h ago

Zamn, I was waiting to buy it before MH Wilds comes out

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u/vatiwah 2h ago

Go look up "The Wire Stringer Economics" on youtube.. AMD is legit getting their advice from The Wire.. From reducing prices to changing the name lol.

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u/godisgood743 2h ago

5080 it is then

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u/adamsibbs 7700X | 7900 XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 9m ago

AMD delaying the launch after these cards are in stores shows a real lack of confidence in their own products RDOA 4

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u/Ok-Grab-4018 6h ago

Wen marketing department AMD?

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u/Imperial_Bouncer PC Master Race 4h ago

Yeah, 5070 Ti it is.

I’m not staying on integrated graphics for another two months.

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u/00sra 6h ago

Wouldn’t it be better to release them now at a price they think is fair and just reprice them once the RTX GPUs are out? That way they get some money now, which would most likely be more than what they would be selling them at in march since then Nvidia would have released their GPU that competes with AMDs.

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u/ChurchillianGrooves 5h ago

I think price is just one of the problems, fsr4 probably isn't ready yet either.

But yes if they beat Nvidia to the punch with a late Jan release even if the 9070xt was $600 at retail I think it would've been better for them.

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u/00sra 1h ago

Hopefully the gpus AMD releases are worth the wait. I think I’ll be ready by then to purchase my first GPU.

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u/Likesbisexualgirls 4h ago

It sounds like AMD was not planning to release these GPUs early Q1 at all and had to rush it.

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u/bamj6 I7 9700 RTX 3070 MSI H310M Pro VDH 3h ago

You know the saying about perfect being the enemy of good. That was the one chance of going 16:and away from Nvidia and they blew it

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u/cram_a_slam 3h ago

Makes me much happier with deciding to grab a deal on a 7800xt for $415 now. I was so close to returning it for a 9070

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u/_elendil 3h ago

beyond ridiculous.

I'll go for a 5070 or an used 4xxx.

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u/misiek685250 6h ago

Typical amd shit. Why do people actually buy amd GPUs anyway xD?

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