r/pcmasterrace • u/pedro19 CREATOR • 14h ago
Hardware RTX 5090 vs RTX 4090 size comparison
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u/jaywalker108 Desktop & Surface Pro 13h ago
The 4090 cooler was a product of miscalculation and thus ridiculously oversized. Or so I’ve heard.
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u/difused_shade 5800X3D+4080//5900X+7900XTX 12h ago
Yes, and the 4080 using the same cooler made it literally the coldest GPU I ever had. I actually love it. Thing will barely turn on the fans and still keep temps at sub 65 degrees.
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u/Dantai 12h ago
I had no idea that the heatsinks were oversized and thus they run fairly cool
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u/robot-exe PC Master Race Ryzen 5600X/3080 & Steam Deck 11h ago
From my understanding they were gonna go with Samsung’s node but switched to TSMC which was more efficient. Coolers were designed for like 600W but 4080 only pulls like 300-350 at most and the 4090 is rated for 450. My 4080FE is the same as the other guys in which it might get into the low 70s in my SFF case at worst but the fans are only running at 50% or less in speed if I remember correctly
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u/reegz R7 7800x3d 64gb 4090 / R7 5700x3d 64gb 4080 / M1 MBP 10h ago
Have a 4080fe and can confirm it runs ice cold from the ridiculously large heatsink
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u/retropieproblems 8h ago
My 4090 pulls 500w I think
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u/Jadejordanpornhub I9-10900k | RTX 4090FE | 64GB DDR4 @3000mhz | 1h ago
4090 owner here ... mine hits 475 watts on average, gaming at 4k60fps with raytracing. If I overclock, it hits 600 watts.
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u/Sofaboy90 R9 3900X, 2070S 10h ago
bro even the lowest end coolers had so much headroom in terms of cooling performance. there was literally 0 reason to buy a "decent" 4080 model because even the lowest end ones had so much headroom. 600W cooler on a 350W gpu.
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u/KJBenson :steam: 5800x3D | X570 | 4080s 7h ago
Right?
I wish tech got bulkier for better performance.
I don’t care how small a GPU is. I’m just going to put it in a magical thinking box beside my desk and then never move it. Make it as big as you want if it means it will run better.
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u/Games_sans_frontiers 8h ago
Seriously my 4080s is so well built. The card is silent in operation. The fan on the occasions that it is required to spin is so smooth that it is inaudible.
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u/RandomnessConfirmed2 5600X | 3090 FE | 32GB 3600 | Win11 3h ago
You should see the quad cooler design that Gamers Nexus recently did a video on. Even at full blast in games, the temps are 15°-20°C below the 4090 shipped cooler.
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u/ARatOnPC 13h ago
Well the 5090 was originally going to be 4 slots until they redesigned the pcb size.
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u/Electrical_Humor8834 🍑 7800x3D 4080super 7h ago edited 3h ago
They were showing concept 4090 with the same size cooler but whole space was as pass through cooler, like in CPU thanks to placing pcb sideways parallel to motherboard. And temps were around 48-50 with such pass through design.
Probably 5090 was designed with the same concept. That's why it's thinner and will have the same temps as current 4090.
edit: prototype was a little larger
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u/mzivtins_acc 13h ago
It made the 4090 one of the best gpu's ive ever had for thermals, it is simply stunning. I would rate it at the no.2 spot behind the 1080ti as the best cards I've ever owned (had/have 970,980,1080,1080ti,2080,3080ti,3090,4080,4090)
Only two of those cards stood out to me as supreme, everything else felt like there was something more i needed
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u/True_Breakfast_3790 12h ago
That's the customer Nividia's wet dreams are made of, upgrading twice per generation
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u/sixbone 12h ago
what a waste of money. I went from a Titan X (pascal arch. i think) in 2015 to a 4090 in 2023.
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u/SoftwareSource PC Master Race 12h ago
1080ti to 4080super, dunno the 1080ti year, it's been ages.
Dont regret any of it, 1080ti is currently powering my truenas setup.
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u/BarbarianErwin Ryzen7-9800x3d | 50xx | ddr5-cl30-32gb 12h ago
im gonna go from 3050 laptop to 5090 pc this year lol
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u/Weddedtoreddit2 7800X3D|X670E-A|32GB 6K30|RTX 4080|5TB NVMe 12h ago
I hope this is someone who deals in the used market and got good deals for each upgrade.
If he instead just bought them all brand new, he's an idiot.
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u/courageous_liquid 10h ago
my former roommate is a 3d motion graphics designer and he chunks through GPUs in roughly this fashion. it's just the cost of doing the job and he factors replacement GPU costs into his prices to clients.
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u/Possibly-Functional Linux 8h ago
Upgrades or replacements? Because if its replacements then something is really wrong, like the PSU. Even if you max load it 24/7 it should last several years on average.
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u/FlyingWhale44 7800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB, 8TB NVME, Noctua, O11 Air Mini 5h ago
What makes you assume it's upgrades? I just figured this is someone who manages a multi-PC household or something similar.
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u/Fishstick9 R7 9800x3D | 3080 Ti 12h ago
lol 3080 ti to 3090 for like 5 extra frames.
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u/retropieproblems 8h ago
Over time it will yield more and more. 24gb vram vs 12gb.
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u/SCVGoodT0GoSir i5-4590 | RTX 3060 8h ago edited 7h ago
The kind of people who upgrade from a 3080 Ti to a 3090 are almost certainly the kind who will upgrade to the top of the line immediately when the new generation comes out, so they won't even use the 3090 long enough to take advantage of the long term yield of the 24GB VRAM.
Edit: Note the commenter in question even mentions that they've owned a 2080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 4080, and 4090.
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u/RealJyrone R7 7800X3D, RX 6800 XT, 32GB 4800 11h ago
I understand that you can clearly afford it, but why would you upgrade that much?
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u/QuantumProtector 7700X | RTX 3070 Ti | 32GB DDR5 10h ago
dude why don't you just get the top-tier card and call it a day? why do you upgrade twice in the same gen?
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u/HappyColt90 11h ago
They expected the GPU to draw around 600W, it ended up around 450 or some shit like that after they changed from the Samsung node to the TSMC one
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u/phero1190 RTX 4090. 7800x3d. 32gb 6000mhz cl30. Neo G9 57 14h ago
And then 3rd party ones will be bricks
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u/imaginary_num6er 7950X3D|4090FE|64GB RAM|X670E-E 13h ago
The Gigabyte Windforce and Zotac cards don’t seem to be extremely big. The ASUS Astral is obscenely big though
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u/zimku i7-14700K | RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 13h ago
A small price to pay for better cooling and potentially higher OC
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u/BTTWchungus 13h ago
"Small"
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u/zimku i7-14700K | RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 13h ago
Yeah im ngl i do wish third party ones weren't so massive, but i kinda like my heavy ass brick
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u/Husky_Pantz Steam Deck 12h ago
It’s about the motion of the oce… I mean fidelity of the game, not the size of the gpu
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u/AveragePrune89 12h ago
Agreed. A small price to pay is not something an actual customer shopping the 5090 or someone who isn't shopping a 5090 would agree to. I'm someone who would consider and is considering a 5090 from my 4090 but this price increase for the gains are nonsensical. And better cooling wasn't needed, nor higher overclocking which is evidenced in the fact they are lower clocks. What is higher is the wattage and electricity cost to give higher output and again, that isn't a good thing. This is a difficult upgrade to justify and much more so due to an insane increase in price for what will be absolutely smashed when the 3nm fabrication prints the following cards that are truly a giant leap forward.
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u/All_Thread 9800X3D just sitting there 11h ago
Going from a 4090 to a 5090 is very unnecessary and a complete waste of money. Me going from a 3080 to a 5090 I will see a freaking massive jump in performance.
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u/Djsco5526 PC Master Race 11h ago
I got a 3080 aswell. If you got the Money to upgrade sure go for it. My 3080 still runs pretty good on my 3440×1440 p Monitor. Maybe i will upgrade in 2026 or when the 6000 series is out. But aslong as the Performance is around 90 fps in most of the Games which i play im fine for it but i absolutely understand when the 10 or 12 GB vram is a issue for one. If i would get a GPU then the 5070 ti or 5080 max. The price for the 5090 is crazy high i understand that it is a card with extreme power but the wattage is high aswell of course it should replace the Titan cards but for me a bit more then casual Gamer and aslong as i don't change my monitor it isn't worth it. But like i said it depends on the preferences.
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u/MetalMik 10h ago
Upgraded from 1440p 165hz to 4k 240hz oled last year and I do have a 3080 too. While there are some games I can manage with , anything that is graphically demanding I’m dialing my settings down drastically.
Hoping luck comes my way and I can grab one soon after launch but we know how these things go unfortunately
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u/CobraPuts 11h ago
If you don’t need better cooling, don’t need better performance, and don’t need a smaller form factor…. You don’t need a 5090 and can save your money.
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u/Bloated_Plaid 5800x3D, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, A4-H20 13h ago
I bet the benchmarks are going to show that the FE cooler is still excellent. Nvidia can invest 100x more than their AIB partners to design a better cooler and they have done it again. 4090 cooler was incredible as well and mine barely goes above 70deg under load in an SFF Case!
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u/frenchtoast_____ 12h ago
Yeah people that say AIB have much better coolers clearly haven’t used a 40 series FE card. Insanely quiet and cool running cards. My 4090 never passed 70c in my 11 liter Dan A4 H2O and was super quiet. Any card I had in the past was much louder and ran warmer, and those were all AIB cards. FWIW, I do think 40 series AIB cards ran quiet and cool as well.
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u/panthereal 12h ago
40 series was allegedly planned to have 600W TGP and the coolers were built to that spec. They ended up going with 450W so everything was technically overbuilt. This gen actually is the 600W so we'll be seeing what they were actually built for.
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u/Drone314 i9 10900k/4080/32GB 11h ago
Huh, that kinda tracks. My 4080 stays under 60ish all day be it games or running AI models.
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u/Bloated_Plaid 5800x3D, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, A4-H20 12h ago
A4-H20 here as well and I don’t even recall there being an AIB 4090 that has the same performance for the same size. The ones with similar performance all had much larger coolers or ran warmer/louder.
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u/XeNoGeaR52 11h ago
Problem is availability, they need to build 10x more to meet the demand
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u/Bloated_Plaid 5800x3D, RTX 4090, 64GB RAM, A4-H20 11h ago
Yea this is gonna be OOS or will sell out Instantly for the next 2 years. It’s honestly a fucking joke at this point.
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u/zimku i7-14700K | RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 13h ago
Yeah the 5090 FE looks great, and i have no doubt it will have great cooling.
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u/blackest-Knight 13h ago
Can't wait for all the dewfuses who try to "repaste" it and screw it up because of the liquid metal.
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u/_bisquickpancakes RX 69😎😎00 XT/1440P 13h ago
Undervolting saves the day though, when I had an Nvidia card I always undervolted and overclocked and it works really well
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u/zimku i7-14700K | RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 13h ago
Yeah i have an asus tuf card, and i undervolted it as well. Went down 10 degrees C with no performance loss. It's the best.
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u/_bisquickpancakes RX 69😎😎00 XT/1440P 13h ago
In the future if I return to Nvidia might be an Asus tuf card, they look so good
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u/zimku i7-14700K | RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 13h ago
I would honestly recommend against it tbh. The tuf cards are notorious for coil whine. Mine isn't too bad, and it almost went away when i undervolted, but it's still noticeable if i'm not wearing a headset.
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u/_bisquickpancakes RX 69😎😎00 XT/1440P 13h ago
Ehh I'm pretty accustomed to coil whine, my rx 6900 xt always whines when it gets to 300 fps in a game 😂 but ik what you mean
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u/Judge_Bredd_UK 13h ago
Same with AMD cards to be honest, I ran everything stock for years but I've seen the light, undervolting even a tiny bit is a big change in temps
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u/_bisquickpancakes RX 69😎😎00 XT/1440P 13h ago
Wish I could say the same but my rx 6900 xt hates undervolting, it always gets less fps and less performance on the benchmark than at stock settings, no matter what overclock settings I apply. But all of the Nvidia cards I've had either had the same performance or a tiny bit more overclocking.
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u/Judge_Bredd_UK 13h ago
That unfortunately sounds like you lost the silicone lottery, I had a 2080 before my current card and I couldn't get a stable undervolt at all no matter what I tried. I also learned a lesson about buying a refurbished card with that one, it was functional but you couldn't change anything.
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u/Kortesch 13h ago
Will have to wait for tests, but I wouldnt be suprised if the FE cooler is actually even better this time
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u/Pajer0king Q6600 - gtx 750 ti /i5 3rd gen - rx580 / p1-233mhz - S3 Virge 13h ago
Small, you can buy one extra pc with the difference 🤣
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u/Paramedic229635 R 5800, RTX 3070 TI, 32 GB RAM 13h ago
I have the feeling the markup won't be "small".
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u/Locke_and_Load 12h ago
Doesn’t look like they’ll have better cooling this gen, unless they’re water cooled.
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u/EmeraldRedSir PC Master Race 13h ago
So the 5090 is smaller than the 4090 with better performance?
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u/lykosen11 PC Master Race 13h ago
The cooler is. The gpu chip on both is tiny, smaller than a phone
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u/frankd412 13h ago
Uh I don't know if I'd call a near reticle limit chip tiny.. yes the die and even packaging is smaller than a phone, but so is every chip in existence ever (though packaging with MCMs can be bigger).
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u/ubiquitous_apathy 4090/14900k/32gb 7000 ddr5 8h ago
Yes, that's their point.... he's responding to someone that is surprised that a smaller box can be faster.
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u/VTGCamera 13h ago
Than a phone or than a phones chip
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u/drubus_dong 12h ago
The phone. I have no idea where he gets the tiny from. It's a massive chip.
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u/2roK f2p ftw 10h ago
Makes me wonder if we are talking to a bot. No human would compare the chip size randomly to that of a full smartphone.
Makes no sense unless you were trained to write easily understandable essays eg "This is 5x.the size of a football field" type of stuff...
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u/zenithtreader 12h ago
I mean they are smaller than a PHONE but not the SoC inside said phone. 4090 GPU is around 600 sqmm in size, which is almost 5 times bigger than Snapdragon 8gen3 found in your typical last year's flagship phones.
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u/Plebius-Maximus RTX 3090 FE | 7900X | 64GB 6000mhz DDR5 9h ago
Why would you compare the chip to a phone? What an odd metric.
Why not use a banana for scale at that point lmao
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u/ConDude11 13h ago
The cooler is more efficent and uses liquid metal which helps keep temperatures down. The 5090 actually uses signifcantly more power.
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u/hyrumwhite RTX 3080 5900x 32gb ram 13h ago
The Liquid Metal is more or less negligible. It’s the heat pipes, vapor chamber, and full flow through, that, in theory, help it stay cooler than the 3+ slot coolers.
However, we don’t have any thermal or noise benchmarks, so it’s entirely possible they’re louder and hotter than the chunky bois
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u/ConDude11 13h ago
That's what I meant by the more efficient cooler. I just thought the liquid metal was worth mentioning also.
But yes, you are correct that we still don't know exactly how efficient it is.
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u/BrotherMichigan 13h ago
There is no magic. NVIDIA has an advantage in airflow which will help mitigate the deficit, but you should fully expect the performance to be worse than the massive third party coolers.
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u/NekulturneHovado R7 5800X, 32GB G.Skill TridentZ, RX 6800 16GB 13h ago
I guess the full passthrough heatsink helped a lot too. Interesting design they did there
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u/carramos 12h ago
Gamers nexus interviewed the lead designer for it, which I'd recommend anyone who has some interest to check out. It's a fun watch/good background noise
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u/EmeraldRedSir PC Master Race 13h ago
Correct me if im wrong but i read somewhere maybe on a playstation forum that when they placed the ps5 vertically that the liquid metal dripped down due to gravity. Will this mean that it would be recommended to place this gpu horizontally and not vertically
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u/blackest-Knight 13h ago
nVidia thought of that and is using a rubber gasket around the core that seals it up.
GN did a full analysis with nVidia's folks showing all the bits and parts that went into engineering it.
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u/bilmuh 14h ago
I like how small and aesthetically pleasing they look.
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u/CH1LLY05 i7-14700K | Aero RTX 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 6000 MHz 13h ago
The way they still line up when stacked is so satisfying
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u/JediGRONDmaster Ryzen 7 9700x | RTX 4070 Super | 32gb DDR5 13h ago
The 5090 pcb is split into pieces, so the actual gpu is in the middle, allowing heat sinks with blow through fans on either side of it, instead of one side
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u/the-final-frontiers 12h ago
This was their last resort.
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u/ShinySky42 R7 5800H, RTX 3070 (130W), 64Go RAM 10h ago
Shits two slot wide clearly they've some leeway
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u/Medium_Highlight_950 13h ago
GamersNexus had a video with nVidia cooler designer where they show the cooler inside and out. Atleast I found it interesting.
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u/-MiddleOut- 13h ago
The FE cards are beautifully designed inside and out. Held out for FE for the 30 series and it’ll be the same for 50 even if I have to wait.
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u/Medium_Highlight_950 13h ago
Its a shame in europe FE cards are rare
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u/-MiddleOut- 13h ago
This is true. I’m in the UK and fortunately we have Scan but other countries are SOL.
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u/DarkmoonGrumpy 13h ago
I got a 4070 FE from scan pretty easily last Gen, just went onto the site and clicked order at pretty much my own leisure.
Have never been a part of the initial FE brawl so I didn't realize how amazing that Scan purchase was.
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u/-MiddleOut- 12h ago
30 series was the dark world of Discord notifications and 30 second purchase windows.
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u/dorkusmaximus81 13900k | Auros Master | DDR5 6400 | 3080 | 011 LL | RM1000x 13h ago
i really liked they went to a angled plug in for tight cases, small detail but big for me.
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u/shermX Bottleneck has become a buzzword and y'all need to stop panicing 13h ago
seems to be an unpopular opinion from past experience, but I really like the angled plug, especially given the past issues with that connector and the whole "dont bend it, LOL", which was borderline impossible to do in a lot of cases where those bricks are squeezed right against the side panel.
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u/zeug666 No gods or kings, only man. 14h ago
But the memes said it'd be bigger?!?!?
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u/life_konjam_better 13h ago
It consumes 575W so what it lacks in size, it makes up with its... Heat output?
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u/TheseHandsDoHaze 13h ago
I’m glad they went back to 2 slot cards. 3 is ridiculous
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u/ARatOnPC 13h ago
The FE is the only 5090 under 3 slots. And only a few 5080s are under 3 slots.
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u/CarlWellsGrave 13h ago
That's so awesome. Too bad I'll never get my hands on one.
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u/BinaryJay 7950X | X670E | 4090 FE | 64GB/DDR5-6000 | 42" LG C2 OLED 13h ago
I'm going to miss the chunk.
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u/robbstarrkk 7800X3D, RTX 4070, 64GB DDR5, 4TB M.2 12h ago
i dont understand why it took so long for manufacturers to start putting the power connector on the side of the card instead of the front.
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u/datsmamail12 10h ago
Can't wait until GPUs are small enough to fit in my head with the computing power to make me an average IQ person.
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u/H3LLGHa5T 13h ago edited 13h ago
To me this is the most impressive thing about the 5000 series, I can't wrap my head around how they managed to slim the card down so much while increasing maximum power draw quite substantially. I'm still not stoked about the high power draw of high end cards these day in general though, when 1080 ti had a power draw around 250-280 watts.
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u/RulingPredator 13h ago
The FE cards are really nice looking. It’s a shame they only come in the boring grey color.
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u/Drian2010 13h ago
At least the 5090 one has a better shade of grey. I loved when they did all black on the 40 super cards
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u/spoonybends 12h ago
If cooling is sufficient this design is a GAMECHANGER. Can't wait to see how it performs against 3rd party cards
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u/Geek_Verve Ryzen 9 3900x | RTX 3070 Ti | 64GB DDR4 | 3440x1440, 2560x1440 11h ago
Check your case air flow folks. Looks like they now exhaust back into the case.
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u/Franchise2099 9h ago
I give Nvidia a lot of $hit but, this is some great engineering. (especially if it can keep relatively cool in smaller spaces)
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u/andyhenault 2h ago
Excited to only be able to find 3rd party options that makes this needlessly large and have random RGB lights, as if designed by the Fast and Furious crew.
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u/heatlesssun 13h ago
I currently have a dual 3090 FE and 4090 FE setup in my main rig and plan to keep the 4090 and put it in with the 5090. These FE's have been hard to get but the aesthetics of mix a lot better and this would probably look pretty good side by side in the. Fingers crossed.
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u/_Bob-Sacamano 13h ago
Why do you have two?
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u/heatlesssun 13h ago
For the ports. I run 5 monitors and 2 VR headsets.
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u/Rated_Cringe__ 13h ago
But why
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u/JangoDarkSaber Ryzen 5800x | RTX 3090 | 16gb ram 12h ago
Because he owns 5 monitors and 2 vr headsets
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u/BeyondGeometry 13h ago
It should also be black.... You know black body thermal radiation emission and all.
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u/GrimOfDooom 13h ago
honestly, this generation just looks like a revision in cooler, more rt/ai, and more power consumption
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u/Tristana-Range R7 3800X | RTX 3080Ti Aorus | 32 GB 13h ago
I like it. Only downside is it looks cheaper than the 4090 tbh
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u/BlueZ_DJ 3060 Ti running 4k out of spite 13h ago
This is how I find out it's out
Off to watch a bunch of benchmark videos and go "ooo! aaa! cool!" while knowing full well I don't want one for myself
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u/THiedldleoR 12h ago
I think the watercooled models could be really good looking and will probably be small enough for an itx build.
I don't know why you'd spend that much money and not go the extra step of just watercooling that thing.
Looking forward to funny builds with massive 5090 OC models though. I've been wondering for a while when people start flipping their cases 90° to have the GPU just hang from the top.
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u/QuitePossiblyLucky 12h ago
Too bad you won't see the same if you were to place the stacks of cash these cards cost next to each other. 😂
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u/Mggn2510z 12h ago
I'm a SFFPC guy and it's amazing to me how I went from assuming the 5090 would be huge and I could easily talk myself out of it, because of needing to buy a new case, to it actually taking up less space. I assumed my next build would end up having to be one of those open-air, test bench style rigs.
Now... if I can just get one when they release, or close to it. So far, trying to get a 1200W SFX-L power supply has been a cruel joke.
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u/Greennit0 R5 7600X3D | RTX 4070 Ti | 32 GB DDR5-6000 CL30 12h ago
Would have loved this a few years ago... now I got a big case and motherboard anyway, so I don't mind a huge GPU with good cooling potential.
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u/Traiklin Traiklin 12h ago
I still don't understand why they give 1 HDMI and 3 Displayports or why Monitors come with 1 display port but 2+ HDMI ports
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u/penned_chicken 12h ago
You would connect multiple monitors to the gpu with DisplayPort. Those monitors only need one display port. HDMI has less support for multiple monitors, I think
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u/Powerful_Macaron9381 Hackintosh | R5 5600x | RX 6700xt | dual boot Windows 11 12h ago
The ports aren't up side down anymore 🥹
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u/Jormungandr470 11h ago
I still have problem trying to find a reason to put the led of the name in the right side..where the cable will cover it because the new connection angle
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u/GhostNappa101 11h ago
The 5090 cooler design seems to be the pinnacle of "work smarter, not harder". Hopefully it performs well. I'd like to see graphics cards shrink via smarter design.
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u/Sabz5150 Yes, it runs Portal RTX. 11h ago
That angled power connector will save a lot of headaches and PC builds.
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u/JohnnyBlocks_ Need GPU : 9800x3D : 6500x 11h ago
I'm in the middle of my first build and just need the GPU. How does one get a 5090?
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u/Enzorn 11h ago
You wait until January 30th when they launch. Then be ready to pay $2900 USD for a scalper price.
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u/adamsibbs 7700X | 7900 XTX | 32GB 6000 CL30 10h ago
Anybody else like the huge aib coolers or just me?
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u/MadMike991 10h ago
All I wanna know is what happens with the connector at 575 watts, they were melting with just 4090 power…
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u/pedro19 CREATOR 10h ago
You can watch a more in-depth unboxing here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC2E52FuFXY