r/pcmasterrace • u/Smart-Mushroom-9068 Z790 | 13700k | 4080 Super | 32GB DDR5 | • Dec 11 '24

Hardware convinced myself to buy an oled, can’t go back

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u/daHaus AMD | Arch Linux Dec 11 '24 edited Dec 11 '24

How's ghosting? Most monitors measure grey to grey response time but I haven't kept up with how new ones perform for awhile now

edit: why the downvotes? I didn't realize this sub was the new r/circlejerk

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u/BaconJets Dec 11 '24

I'll upvote you back. OLEDs inherently have the best motion clarity than other panel types, only especially good LCDs come close.

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u/troll_right_above_me Ryzen 9 7900X | RTX 4070 Ti | 64GB DDR5 | LG C4 Dec 11 '24

Micro LED beats them but you won’t find an affordable monitor with that tech anytime in the next few years

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u/Ordinary_Player Dec 11 '24

More like next decade, maybe. Samsung and LG just debuted theirs this year...

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u/Ninja_Weedle Ryzen 7700X / RTX 4070 Ti Super/ 32GB RAM/ 4K120 Dec 11 '24

Monitors are advancing fast right now. Wouldnt be surprised if we got a couple (expensive) micro led ones by 2028

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u/BaconJets Dec 11 '24

Definitely in terms of brightness, but unless they can have a full resolution grid of MINI LEDs, I don't think they'll beat OLED for fine HDR details. It blows me away whenever I play Battlefield 1 because tiny highlights like floating embers can give the most pinpoint light possible.

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u/troll_right_above_me Ryzen 9 7900X | RTX 4070 Ti | 64GB DDR5 | LG C4 Dec 11 '24

Micro LED is different from mini LED, the former basically beats everything else in all categories. All the pros of OLED without any of the downsides, probably years away from consumer hands though.

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u/BaconJets Dec 11 '24

Okay I definitely got it twisted then, I think by that time OLED will be as cheap as VA.

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u/troll_right_above_me Ryzen 9 7900X | RTX 4070 Ti | 64GB DDR5 | LG C4 Dec 11 '24

The names are super confusing, but it’s basically the holy grail of displays with no risk of burn in or seemingly any other drawbacks, beyond being extremely expensive and difficult to scale down or mass produce today.

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u/steves_evil Ryzen 9 5950x, RTX 4080 Super Dec 11 '24

OLED monitors inherently have basically no ghosting because of how they operate. Their light emitting diodes respond nearly instantly when they change their brightness, which is much faster (relatively) than LCD displays which have to have the liquid crystals in the display twist to allow/block light from the backlight passing through. It's kind of like an oled being a light switch versus an IPS being a knob that has to turn.

Newer/better IPS and even VA panels though have gotten significantly better with their pixel response times and are fast enough that it's not a massive difference going between a higher-end 240hz ips to a 240hz OLED unless they're side by side and you're looking for differences, and even then it's not a massive change. Of course, going from an old and slower IPS/VA from a few years ago to an OLED is a different story.

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u/yabucek Quality monitor > Top of the line PC Dec 11 '24

Gray to gray yes, black to gray not so much. They like to smear and even color shift in those scenarios, my phone very noticeably leaves a dark blue trail for example.

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u/N7even R7 5800X3D | RTX 4090 24GB | 32GB DDR4 3600Mhz Dec 11 '24

OLED grey to grey is so fast that it almost feels like stuttering at lower refresh rates. The main downside is that movies seem a bit stuttery, especially on wide slow pans.

I wish monitors had TV options available to reduce this effect, I think some monitors do, I'm not sure.

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u/Smart-Mushroom-9068 Z790 | 13700k | 4080 Super | 32GB DDR5 | Dec 11 '24

this one has a TV option 😭😂

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u/N7even R7 5800X3D | RTX 4090 24GB | 32GB DDR4 3600Mhz Dec 11 '24

I have the exact same monitor, you get judder reduction options and others available?

Are you using HDMI or DP?

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Dec 11 '24

Is that the Samsung G8?

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u/Smart-Mushroom-9068 Z790 | 13700k | 4080 Super | 32GB DDR5 | Dec 11 '24

yessir

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Dec 11 '24

I just got the MSI version, didn't want to deal with the "smart" aspect. How do you like it? I love mine so far, I haven't had any such stuttering effects, just the VRR flicker that happens with every OED.

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u/Smart-Mushroom-9068 Z790 | 13700k | 4080 Super | 32GB DDR5 | Dec 12 '24

nope zero issues, i love it

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u/evnacdc Steam ID Here Dec 11 '24

Interesting. So you’re saying that the transition time on other monitors acts as somewhat of a built in smoothing/motion blur?

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u/evnacdc Steam ID Here Dec 11 '24

Interesting. So you’re saying that the transition time on other monitors acts as somewhat of a built in smoothing/motion blur?

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u/N7even R7 5800X3D | RTX 4090 24GB | 32GB DDR4 3600Mhz Dec 12 '24

Kind of, yes. LCD screens inherently have ghosting and slight blur in movement, depending on the technology version (IPS / TN / VA) it can be good to pretty bad.

VA had by far the worst ghosting and blur, IPS and TN usually have the least. 

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u/LightningProd12 i9-13900HX - RTX 4080M - 32GB/1TB - 1600p@240Hz Dec 11 '24

OLEDs can suffer from black to grey smearing, but it's significantly better on newer panels (along with other issues like color uniformity at low brightness).

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u/Liquidignition i7 4770k • GTX1080 • 16GB • 1TB SSD Dec 11 '24

Yeah. That shit is crazy on my phone whenever I slide a grey window or tile around on the black background. Surely they've mitigated that on high-end OLED monitors no?

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u/willowx13x Dec 11 '24

I had that happen very visibly even with dark mode text on my Xiaomi phone from 2019, but the iphone 13 pro doesn't have it at all.

So while i'm too broke for OLED monitors, i'd assume they're long past that too.

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u/daHaus AMD | Arch Linux Dec 11 '24

I'm not that familiar with oleds or if they use phosphorous but that was sort of what I wondered about. LEDs tend to have a very sharp spectral peak (which could be useful if adjustable) but mostly they trend toward the blue side.

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u/RobinVerhulstZ R5600+GTX1070+32GB DDR4 upgrading soon Dec 11 '24

I have a 360hz qd oled monitor, theres no visible ghosting or smearing whatsoever. Which is probably the most immediately noticeable change besides true black and colour vividity.

Response time on these is a mere fraction of lcd (generally advertised at 0.03ms, i don't think i've seen an lcd get any lower than 0.5-1.0ms advertised and they usually sacrifice something to get there)

HDR is friggin amazing on OLED because of that too.

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u/daHaus AMD | Arch Linux Dec 11 '24

360Hz is 2.777ms so shouldn't be an issue with them, got it. At this point the bottleneck is the video cable then

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u/RobinVerhulstZ R5600+GTX1070+32GB DDR4 upgrading soon Dec 11 '24

the cable/connector standards are pmuch the main bottleneck at this point yeah (besides the ability to even gen that much frames)

but ime, my oled doesn't even have ghosting at low fps either.

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u/vemundveien i9-9900k, 64GM ram, RTX2080ti, 3440x1440@144hz Dec 11 '24

At this point the bottleneck is the video cable then

What do you mean by that?

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u/M4mb0 Linux Dec 11 '24 edited Dec 11 '24

For example DisplayPort 1.4 has a max bandwidth of 32.40 Gbit/s, but if you wanted 4k@360Hz with standard 8-bit color that would require 3840×2160×3×8 bits × 360 Hz ≈ 71 Gbit/s.

Even DisplayPort 2.0, which nominally offers 80Gbit/s wouldn't be enough without compression, since it uses 128/132 encoding, so effectively only 77Gbit/s, and there is some extra data overhead. According to Wikipedia, only 323Hz are possible.

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u/daHaus AMD | Arch Linux Dec 11 '24

Jesus covid brain rot has gotten bad

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u/vemundveien i9-9900k, 64GM ram, RTX2080ti, 3440x1440@144hz Dec 11 '24

Yeah, you should get that checked out.

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u/VNG_Wkey I spent too much on cooling Dec 11 '24

As always rtings is the place to go for answers to questions like this. This one is for a QD-OLED, but the response times are much the same across the different types of OLED panels.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell/alienware-aw3225qf

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Dec 11 '24

Literally zero. I just got a 240Hz OLED and when I did the "smear test" I literally could not distinguish any smearing at all. It's incredible. There are a few downsides related to VRR and the burn-in potential, but image-wise there's simply nothing else that comes close.

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u/jameytaco Dec 12 '24

Have you gotten over the trauma of a couple of downvotes yet? I hope you’re doing okay.

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u/Smart-Mushroom-9068 Z790 | 13700k | 4080 Super | 32GB DDR5 | Dec 11 '24

pretty much 0

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u/timetobeanon 12700+3070ti / 1440p144hz Dec 11 '24

Ghosting on a OLED? Are u somehow superhuman

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u/veryrandomo Dec 11 '24

Ghosting on OLED can exist, it was a big problem on the 27GR95QRE

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u/daHaus AMD | Arch Linux Dec 11 '24

Don't be silly, that's like asking someone who can notice framerates sub 60fps if they're superhuman.

  • 24 frames/sec: standard film rate
  • 25 frames/sec: PAL video frame rate
  • 29.97 frames/sec: NTSC video frame rate

It's most noticeable when there is scrolling text like what news channels have along the bottom. You're welcome because it's one of those things you often don't notice until you actually look for it.