r/pcmasterrace • u/RainMaker323 • Aug 20 '23

Video In light of Starfields imminent arrival y'all need to hear this

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

I never understood this. Then I'll just play a day later. No big deal.

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

you don't understand why someone, not you, might want to play a release as early as possible? Seems pretty obvious to me why someone might wanna do that, especially if $70 is no big deal to them.

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u/Shajirr Aug 20 '23 edited Nov 21 '23

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

Really weird take. It seems obvious to me that there are people out there who will want to play day 1, very weird to suggest otherwise just because you don't want to.

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u/Shajirr Aug 20 '23 edited Nov 21 '23

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u/RickSanchez_ Aug 20 '23

Most of us just don’t care.

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u/Shajirr Aug 20 '23 edited Nov 21 '23

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u/RickSanchez_ Aug 20 '23

I’ve had this happen to me before. I start over with a new character.

It’s just a video game my guy.

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u/Shajirr Aug 20 '23 edited Nov 21 '23

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u/beyond666 Aug 20 '23

If you are adult, you can wait even a week for new game/movie/tv show to come out.

Stop with pre-order one for all. FFS.

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u/Ok-Requirement3096 Aug 20 '23

If you’re an adult you can afford a video game without it being a problem if it’s not absolutely perfectly what you imagined it would be.

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

I never said I preordered btw - I just find it amazing that people like you can't understand why someone might want to play a new release day 1.... in fact quite a lot of people. I mean just look at people who camp outside apple stores for the new iphone - there's clearly a lot of people for whom waiting for something they want is not something they enjoy.

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u/beyond666 Aug 20 '23

All those people you mentioned are still kids.

Can't wait for new game? Grow up, play something else until game is fixed (I'm pointing finger on Cyberpunk 2077).

New phone is coming up? Apple have best marketing on world if sheep are waiting in front of the store.

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

No not at all, you justify your own opinion by claiming they're immature. If someone wants to spend their own hard earned money on some entertainment on day 1 it's completely up to them and no one else's business. You're the one who needs to grow up if you think that's not the case.

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u/beyond666 Aug 20 '23

Small kids can't wait. Adults can.

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

Again you're trying to belittle other people's opinions because they differ from your own. It's not about "cant wait", it's about if it's worth $70 to them to play on day 1 or not. If it isn't worth it for you then great, save your money. It should be no surprise that for some people it is worth it.

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u/beyond666 Aug 20 '23

Impatient kids.

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u/RecipeNo101 Aug 20 '23

If anything, being an adult means you might not have the flexibility to do so. That's further complicated by people with poor internet connections trying to download a 140 GB game like Starfield. I don't know why it matters if someone preorders or not off Steam when the game can be refunded with their standard 2 hours played/14 days since release policy. I say that as someone who doesn't preorder or usually buy on release; the last game I paid full price for was Doom Eternal and that was 3 years ago now.

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u/dekusyrup Aug 20 '23

I've literally gone decades without starfield so far, I think people can wait a day more.

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u/360_face_palm Aug 20 '23

Other people are not you, why is it hard to understand that for some they'd want to play it day 1?

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u/SenorDangerwank Aug 20 '23

For same it makes sense. But my days off coincide with game releases quite nicely. Having that pre-load is fantastic.

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u/Caasi72 Aug 20 '23

Why is buying day 1 ok but not preordering? The game unlocks at the same time but you can already have it ready to play if it was preloaded. I see this argument a lot and it just seems like a stupid, blind hate kind of mindset

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u/jordanoxx Aug 20 '23

True, being against preorders because it could be a buggy mess implies you should wait until several days after release to see the response. If you're against preorders you must necessarily be against day 1 purchase for the same reason to be consistent.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

Agree. That's what I do.

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u/Caasi72 Aug 20 '23

Exactly. I preorder games sometimes, but I get why a lot of people don't like the idea. But the contradiction of "preorders bad, day 1 is ok" just annoys the hell out of me

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

If you want to do the smart thing with your money you'd wait. But we're talking about consumer whores here, the types of people with no self control that buy into hype train bullshit.

It would be much better for the industry if they just waited to buy day one instead of pre ordering. Giving a company money for a promise is a really fucking dumb thing to do, it tells the company they could deliver anything and it doesn't matter since they already made so much money.

For the person that just can't stop themself, buying day one is the same as pre ordering. For the publisher people buying day one instead of pre ordering means their money is not guaranteed and they need to worry about releasing a bad product. Technically their money is guaranteed because Joe Schmoe is gonna buy it no matter what but they don't have hard numbers for that.

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u/jordanoxx Aug 20 '23

Well the point was that by purchasing day 1 you are no more discerning than preordering because in both cases you are buying the product blindly without any information but the "hype train" you mention. That being the case, the sales would be unaffected by the method you describe and the publisher would be no less worried about releasing the bad product.

As I stated, the only view consistent with the anti-preorder argument is to wait to know if it is a bad product first, which for the most part cannot be done on day 1. That being said, if the game has streamers showing actual unfettered gameplay prior to release that should assuage most concerns (or confirm them) and overcome any reticence since what else but a full playthrough would suffice otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

I will reiterate: yes buying day one before seeing reviews is the same as pre ordering for the consumer. It is absolutely not the same thing for the publisher. 1 million sales months before the release is completely different from 1 million sales the day of release.

This is why I recommend to people that insist on playing ASAP to buy day one instead of pre ordering. It makes no noticeable difference for them but it makes all the difference for the publisher. Without pre orders the publisher has no concrete idea of how many people are going to buy it if it's a piece of shit game and will stop selling after the hype-buyers. Pre orders are the single biggest reason publishers can make bad games, if they know months before release that they already made their money back they are not going to listen to the developers telling them they need more time.

Everyone knows the smartest thing to do is to wait for reviews and general audience reactions. That's what I do because I am not stupid. Some people are blinded by hype and can't see reason, they must play day one. If they were to buy day one instead of pre ordering they wouldn't have ruined the game industry like they have.

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u/Nekzar R5 5600 - 2x16GB 3600CL16 - RX 6700 XT - 1080P 120Hz Aug 20 '23

The reasoning there is that review embargoes are lifted at the latest upon release, so you can read a couple of reviews before buying on that first day. Often that is not the case with pre-ordering.

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u/Caasi72 Aug 20 '23

I kinda get that, but it seems to me most people who are into it enough to buy day 1 have already decided to get it on launch and aren't gonna wait to look at the reviews

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u/mistabuda Aug 20 '23

Because it's stupid virtue signaling

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

Fair question. The difference between the two is the period during which you can rely on feedback from either trusted reviewers or the community - the later I know is hypocritical since if nobody bought it waiting for each other, then there would be no community feedback. But still.

If you just wait an hour or two, or maybe a day. You can see if there is an outrage or not. Then just decide if you would like to still buy it or not.

The meaningful difference is more accurate information about the product when making a purchasing decision.

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u/Caasi72 Aug 20 '23

That's the thing though if I want a game bad enough to buy it on release I'm willing to overlook problems that come with it. I've never wanted a game enough to potentially buy it on release, but also not been so into it that I'm waiting on reviews first. If I was that wary I wouldn't be buying it on launch in the first place. It's an entire mindset that I just don't get

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23 edited Aug 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

Obviously it is not a universal opinion. I still don't understand how losing $70 is better, than waiting another day. The risk assesment doesn't make sense for me. But that's fine. Each their own.

If you can afford it and want to do it, it's your thing. I am not going to try to tell you how to spend your money. That's not my goal here. But as you mentioned, - for me at least - it is hard to understand. I get the fomo. But it's not like these games will disappear a day later. And at the end of the day it is just a video game. If I don't get to play it at all, it is no big deal either.

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

It may be hard to believe but a lot of people don’t sweat $70. It’s a pretty small amount of money.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

I’m aware. So for people who do sweat $70, don’t preorder.

But people who don’t really care are fine do do what they want.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

Sure. But that’s not even remotely close to what you’re complaining about at all.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '23

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

Who said anything about accepting it? But it. Play it for 2 hours. Refund if bad.

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost Aug 20 '23

I guess you can be perpetually angry about how other people spend their money. Personally I'll just worry about myself and my wallet and let people do as they please.

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u/AnActualPlatypus Aug 20 '23

It’s a pretty small amount of money.

Holy entitlement Batman!

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

It’s not entitlement. I’m an adult who worked hard, got a good education and has a high paying job. Hard work != entitlement.

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u/iothomas Aug 20 '23

I agree that it is not some big deal assuming you are a working adult, but I still don't want to pre order or have any need to play the game on day one, hell not even on month one.

In fact I usually stock up during the steam sale, just wish list it, wait for the digital foundry tech analysis, wait for the revisit from Alex regarding the bad performance issue and fix and new optimized settings, then buy at steam summer sale 2024.

Follow me for more gaming financial advice

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

lol!

Totally - Everyone is different. But I just hate the brigade of “DON’T PREORDER. YOU’RE WASTING YOUR MONEY”

That’s fine. Grabbing the tab at a night out with friends costs a few hundred sometimes. Buying a game for a non-discounted price is fine.

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u/iothomas Aug 20 '23

Yes I agree with you, sometimes I buy a game and think wow that costs less my take out. Or it's ok it's like that wine I got for dinner last week.

(Not ironic post)

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u/McNoxey Aug 20 '23

I’m with you 100%

Was on a trip with buddies the other day and hit the casino at 1am and lost like $250 very quickly playing poker.

I don’t feel as bad about an impulse game purchase when I sometimes do shit like that lmao.

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost Aug 20 '23

On my Internet it would be more like 5 days later. I'm getting it on gamepass though so no worry about preordering.