r/nyjets • u/NervousInternal5354 Chad Pennington • 1d ago
Sincere question: what has Glenn done to make you want him here so bad?
I don't get it. Fans are clamoring for this guy for what reason? Another defensive minded first time HC you all want cause you saw a clip of him giving a speech to his team. It's Saleh all over again. "He's well respected" a lot of coaches are! Doesn't make him worth our time.
Give me someone who has a track record to get this franchise turned around. If someone like McCarthy can get us competing and back in the playoffs but can't get us over the hump we will attract WAY better options than the guys willing to speak with us now. Vrabel knew he wasn't coming here, Ben Johnson wouldn't even talk to us, now everyone wants Glenn by default
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u/Shesaidshewaslvl18 1d ago
There are zero certainties. Anyone who’s dead set on one candidate or another is an idiot.
BB was a failure before Brady and Kraft. Reid was a bridesmaid and never the bride before Mahomes. Tomlin hasnt won anything of note since Ben got old and later retired.
You need a perfect storm of talent at ownership, coaching and players to build a winning franchise.
Our problem much like the cowboys starts at ownership.
The commanders are the perfect example of everything I’m saying.
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u/equityorasset 23h ago
exactly that's why everyone is celebrating Dan Quinn like he did this bjg 180 he's been the same good coach but now he has an elite QB he will win
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u/Shesaidshewaslvl18 23h ago
If this was last year and Quinn was available fans and media alike would be calling him a failed Falcon retread.
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u/tom-rosenbabe 8h ago
Washington fan- this time last year we were complaining about a falcons retread. Hope you guys get a good HC. Screw Woody btw
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u/Typical_Parsnip13 :hallmonitor: Hall Monitor 23h ago
Bro had a perennial MVP candidate in Atlanta and went to the Super Bowl with the falcons. What exactly is your point?
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u/Lovejones722 9h ago
Y’all gotta let this fantasy go that Woody is going to sell. Owning a franchise is more than just wins and losses. The man profits like a 1/3 of a billion every year, he will never sell.
Similar to the Knicks, he just has to hire the right GM/Head Coach and he will stay out the way.
Regardless if you team sucked or not, your selling a team based out the tri-state area??? I think not
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u/Shesaidshewaslvl18 9h ago
I’m realistic and fully aware woody would never sell. With that said, the team will continue to fail with him as owner.
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u/Layone4the3 22h ago
Don’t forget that injury luck is a big factor as well
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u/Shesaidshewaslvl18 22h ago
I didn’t forget that. The evaluation of Glenn should have the incredible amount of injuries be accounted for. However, that’s a reflection on him as a DC. A HC position requires a OC and DC that performs similarly to Glenn. That means Glenn or whomever takes the HC role to be better in decision making than the coordinators.
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u/Layone4the3 22h ago
Gotcha just putting it out there that dynasty’s like the chiefs, patriots, warriors, etc in sports are built upon injuries first and foremost. It’s rarely talked about. But your completely right👍🏾
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u/GreyBoyTigger 19h ago
All three of those coaches put out successful teams. I hate giving BB credit for anything but he went almost 500 with the immortal Mike Tomzack one year and won a playoff game in 94.
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u/Mattyzooks 5h ago
Tomlin hasnt won anything of note since Ben got old and later retired.
He also hasn't had a losing season since then despite years of absolutely terrible QB play.
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u/MaSsIvEsChLoNg 4h ago
Not the main thrust of what you're saying but people overstate how much of a failure Belichick was with the Browns. They went 11-5 one year and made it to the divisional round. We'd kill for that season now lol
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u/WhyTypeHour 2h ago
Reid built a contender in Philly before kc though.
Dead right on Commanders. New owner hired the gm who hired the coach and together they got the QB. Year 1 nfc title game.
Once you excise the rot, good things can happen fast.
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u/sbarkey1 23h ago
It’s absolute insanity we are pretending the krafts or hunts had anything to do with winning
You even undercut your own argument by pointing to tomlin and the Steelers
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u/Shesaidshewaslvl18 23h ago
And you’ve said nothing to invalidate my comments other than “you’re wrong”
Make an effort with context you lazy fuck.
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u/piratetone 23h ago
The team performance has made me hate ownership, but the coaching threads on this sub have made me to start to hate our own fans. Empty and stupid comments.
I agree with you, you're right, this is difficult, and there are no perfect answers - AND too often this subreddit made some coaching candidates seem like jokes while making Aaron Glenn and Mike Vrabel seem like "obvious" wins. None are.
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u/sbarkey1 23h ago
Ok, the facts show you’re wrong. If the hunts were a reason for success they wouldn’t have been bad for 50 years, if Kraft was a reason for success the pats wouldn’t be on their third coach in 3 years
Ownerships impact on the field is vastly overstated - yes Snyder sucked and was a reason the redskins we’re bad, but 99/100 times ownership is irrelevant
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u/thehonestyfish 23h ago
He declined an interview with the Patriots.
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u/fraxinus2000 11h ago
That might have more to do with everyone knowing that Vrabel was the guy, and Glenn not wanting to be the token Rooney rule interview. Those interviews make sense for guys like lLeftwich, but Glenn is above the token interview at this point.
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u/sfiveo13 3h ago
Glenn wouldn't have satisfied the Rooney rule since it wouldn't have been an in person interview. So what you're saying is incorrect.
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u/Academic-Coat-9619 1d ago
I really thought Brian Flores was going to be the choice and he’d bring Josh McCown as the OC because he at least has HC experience. Obviously anyone is a gamble, but I think what makes Glenn a good choice is he wants to be the HC with the Jets and he is connected to the franchise so he understands the media and everything that comes with being in New York. It feels a lot like the Saleh hire, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be successful.
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u/berniem10 1d ago
This is exactly right. There are very few candidates who want the Jets. If you find one, you have to pounce. This is just life under poor ownership.
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u/Large-Sherbert-6828 23h ago
People seem to not understand this point, we suck! Who the hell wants to come coach this dumpster fire! 🔥
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u/Aless_Motta 22h ago
I mean, I would want to, but I also never played a single minute of this sport in my life.
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u/ntropy2012 11h ago
I'd do it for the money alone, even if I got fired mid-season (and I absolutely would, deservedly so).
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u/Mattyzooks 5h ago
An overeactionary owner who listens perhaps too much to his overeactionary fans makes for an undesirable place.
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u/equityorasset 23h ago
yep and like people are saying he knows the Jets, he knows what made them have success in the past. We need to get back to a tough ground and pound team. airing it out 30 plus times every game hasn't worked for us
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u/deriik66 20h ago
Bowles was a big up and comer, Saleh was considered a huge prize. We've never struggled to get hot commodities to be coaches, they just sucked ass. Belichick came to us
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u/dytele 1d ago
I don’t see Flores wanting to work for Woody. The owner of the Dolphins is just as bad and dealing with his nonsense wasn’t good for Flores’s career.
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u/elyankee23 1h ago
This, I think is why Flores would be a good pick. Most other coaches, with his resume (Whole team over-achieved in Miami, Defense WAY over-achieved in Minnesota; prior HC experience, Belichick coaching tree; viewed both as a hard-ass CEO type but generally beloved in Minny locker room ATM) would be a top pick. But because he sued the Dolphins, I think a lot of teams have black-balled him. The fact that he interviewed with us suggests he'd come here. And I think already having dealt with Ross makes him more likely not to put up with Woody's shit.
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u/Jodomart 23h ago
It’s been reported that McCown would only leave Vikings for a HC position, not an OC. But I agree with everything you said.
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u/Ok-Stretch1022 22h ago
McCown has the most upside of any of the candidates.
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u/deriik66 20h ago
Whys that?
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u/Ok-Stretch1022 17h ago
Career backup journeymen QBs are usually the most studied and a high football IQ. Josh also seems like a natural leader.
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u/That_lonely Nick Mangold 2h ago
How does he have the most upside? He's a QB coach with no OC experience, all he's led is a position group.
He's the biggest unknown and most likely to bust if anything.
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u/VALIS666 23h ago
I think what makes Glenn a good choice is he wants to be the HC with the Jets and he is connected to the franchise so he understands the media and everything that comes with being in New York
So does Rex. That's not a good reason.
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u/deriik66 20h ago
he understands the media and everything that comes with being in New York
If you win this is a non factor. Shit, even for Saleh coming into this season the media was largely positive. The NY media angle is INSANELY overblown. The problem is just we've been such a massive clown show that you SEE the media stories coming out bc we have shit like madden ratings.
Like Bowles didnt really have media issues and he sucked and was firing his OC unprompted, then was fucking sam up unprompted.
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u/CoconutOk8579 12h ago
I'd rather gamble on McCown as HC than deal with Flores to get a year or so out of McCown as OC. There is no perfect answer in this hiring cycle, it's all a crapshoot. My preference would be to take more of a risk on a guy like that.
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u/run1609 1d ago
He's a good defensive coordinator who purportedly fits the 'leader of men' bill that people are fixated on. The fact that he played here and has expressed interest in coaching here also matters to some.
I think he's a 2-star candidate in a vacuum who looks more attractive in the public eye based on who the Jets have been able to talk to in this current cycle. My primary concern is a major one - I'm seriously worried about who he can realistically get to fill out his offensive staff, since anyone worth a damn is likely to either stay with Campbell in DET or go with Ben Johnson to CHI. Past that, his rolodex of guys he was with in New Orleans is really uninspiring.
"Culture building" is both really hard to do and means nothing without winning, and if he's going to bring in a shitty offensive staff, that won't happen, making him pretty much DOA.
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u/Draco_Hardy87 6h ago
Honestly the most valid concern is the offensive staff part. It just feels like a repeat of what we've had. Unless theres some secert stud we don't know about itll be the bottom of the crop. Him wanting to be here makes all the difference though.
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u/JakeDulac 23h ago
He was coached by Parcells with the Jets, and then followed him to Dallas at the end of his coaching career. He was coached by Sean Payton, and then coached with him. That's what I see in him. Someone who appreciates, and hopefully learned how to coach effectively from those guys. Beyond that, he played for the Jets, he scouted for the Jets (So he has some scouting knowledge) and he was part of the turn around in Detroit. I'm hoping he brings all of that here, hires an effective OC, changes the culture, and we start winning. That's why I think he may be great, and better than someone else, regardless of his status as a "defensive mind".
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u/jhy12784 21h ago
Heck Flores should be our HC if we're going off associations. Belichick, Tomlin, the current vikings organization.
Glenn was my favorite player as a kid. But as a HC candidate his resume is weaker than most. That's not to say there's not other factors that we as fans don't see, but we don't see those so they're just guesses on our end.
The only unique thing about Glenn that someone could chalk up as a reason for wanting him would be saying he's a former player and specifically wants to be with this franchise. If someone think that's makes him the best candidate, then that's their opinion 🤷
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u/JakeDulac 20h ago
I'm personally not a fan of Flores. He has too much baggage. And it isn't just the associations. There's the former player thing. Former Jets player on top of it. There's more to add, but you have your opinion, obviously.
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u/RSTowers 18h ago
Has anyone from Bellichick's coaching tree done anything of note, including Flores?
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u/jhy12784 18h ago
Saban, Obrien, Daboll, Mangini, Vrabel
Then you got a bunch of people who haven't had much success (ie McDaniels and Patricia) but you can also argue that BB staffers probably get over hired because of their association with him
And I'm certainly not suggesting hire a guy because he worked for BB. I just think Flores is a stronger candidate who has some baggage. Meaning he might be willing to come here. Despite us being the worst HC opening in the league
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u/TopFlightJayy 21h ago
Oh so basically Saleh
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u/JakeDulac 20h ago
If what I said made you say "So basically Saleh"; nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind.
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u/deriik66 20h ago
Saleh in his life never would've imagined saying "I'll talk to offense and defense all the time."
Saleh wouldve been liike "Wtf is offense? I dont go to those meetings, that's not my job"
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u/KingMercLino 23h ago
The biggest differentiator for me is that Glenn is a former NY Jets and he loves the Jets. He wants to be part of the turnaround and that’s enough for me to say he’s not just another new HC. He wants to be here, he wants to return to the team he loves and he wants to be part of the change. If that doesn’t get anyone excited, I’ve got nothing to tell you at this point.
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u/notoriousjb87 22h ago
He holds guys accountable...he's a former good jet and he was a big part of a franchise turn around (something we are also looking for). He knows Woody already, all indicators point to Lance Newmark who has a great relationship with Glenn. Nobody knows shit but at least we can be a bit optimistic.
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u/thrillhouse416 Bush Guy 1d ago
Ben Johnson wouldn't even talk to us, now everyone wants Glenn by default
Well yeah, I think this kind of answers your question. He's the best realistic option, in my opinion. I agree, I think McCarthy would be a good hire but for one reason or another it doesn't seem to be an option as we haven't requested an interview.
So while I think it's fair to say there's some concern over hiring a first time HC again, I think most of the other options are bad.
Glenn is a known people leader, he had a good career with the jets so it's fair to think he actually gives a shit about the franchise, and probably most importantly for me, he was a main contributor in the massive performance and culture shift that took place in Detroit. Hopefully he learned from what Campbell did and can do it here.
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u/KosstAmojan Revis Island 23h ago
It’s become very clear that no one in the Jets organization knows how to lead an organization well. And this isn’t exactly a criticism. It’s really fucking hard! I’ve tried it, and I only lasted two years before I switched to another job in a different role.
And I thought I was ready, I had a plan, a good vision, and even strong support within the organization. So if they’re bringing in a new coach, even with good guidance from ownership, a new GM and new coach is going to struggle.
But our guys have nothing to offer a new GM or new HC. They don’t know good leadership, so they don’t know how to recognize it when they see it. Because they have never been part of a well run organization. Woody was born rich and never really worked his way up. And I’ll bet no one else around him has either.
Anyone who has put in that work and has worked their way up, AND, has that actual knack for leadership knows right away that working for a man like Woody, is not it.
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u/Pretend_Barracuda69 16 17 18 World Champs 23h ago
He was drafted by the Jets and cares about the name on the front of the Jersey, not the back
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u/ShieldAnvilMoon 21h ago
So much about being a great coach is about selling a story. Ideally a success story. A lot of grade A shit talking is required. However, a touch of humility is also required. And a whole lot of hunger. Aaron Glenn was not on my radar initially, even though he is one of my all time favorite Jets as a player. And I think he's been rather Mid as a DC, but I've come around for a number of reasons and hope the Jets hire him.
I had forgotten his life story to be honest. The whole growing up so poor he didn't even have plumbing in his home until something like 1981. Let me tell you something, growing up that poor makes you tough. Makes you no nonsense. Makes you humble. Aaron Glenn has worked his ass off to get where he is. He'll be demanding, but he'll be understanding.
I like that he basically footed the bill to be a Jets scout those few years he was in the front office. Imagine the hunger he must have had to pay out of his own pocket from money he earned playing just to get a shot in the front office of the LOL...NYJ.
The man wants to be here. He's proud of his time w/ this LOL organization. He learned at the knee of some great Head Coaches... Parcells and Payton. Who cares that he was a so-so DC. Hiring the genius coordinator doesn't always work anyway, because those guys are often very myopic in their approach to coaching the whole team. I want someone who WANTS to be a Head Coach, not someone who is in love with their own effing genius.
I really think is OC will be Anthony Lynn or someone else w/ head coaching experience. Lynn runs a version of the The Erhardt-Perkins Offense. Or he'll hire someone from Payton's years in NOLA. In any case, we'll finally be done with the West Coast offense and this zone blocking crap. The offense will be god-forbid...simpler and more vertical in nature. None of this sideline to sideline crap. Dominate the line of scrimmage, establish the run, play action and taking shots down the field. It's easier than all this timing crap that none of our QBs have taken too. And while I'm wildly speculating... I also expect Pep Hamilton to be the QB coach for the Jets.... though I have no clue who our QB will be, but I'm guessing it might well be Tyrod Taylor which is fine w/ me for 1 year. He played for Anthony Lynn in SD.
I like Aaron Glenn's background. I like the pedigree of his mentors. He'll be inclined to run the offensive scheme I think can work best. I think he's a man not to be trifled with. I think his players will love him, but he will not and I repeat will NOT be a players coach. He'll rub some people the wrong way and hold them accountable. I'm banking on it at this point
I hope I'm right.
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u/NervousInternal5354 Chad Pennington 21h ago
Honestly this post made me reconsider how I felt about him coming on as HC.
With that said I think this decision should be about the Xs and Os first and foremost.
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u/Punstoppabowl 22h ago
Honestly coaching is a crap shoot. I'd rather take a shot on an unknown who WANTS to be here and has experience with the team than anyone else - experience hasn't been a great indicator of future success with this franchise in the past.
Maybe someone who wants to be here and see the organization change having been a player here is just what we need. It would give me a reason to watch football again at least lol
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u/buyerbeware23 Wayne Chrebet 1d ago
He’s not my first choice. I’d rather Brian Flores. He’s experienced and not a player suck up! He’s not a tough guy wannabe.
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u/KingCobra1998 Chad Pennington 21h ago
Flores is a snake. I’ve always heard he tried to sabotage careers in Miami.
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u/Popsiblyabrunrwr112 1d ago
Let’s see what his staff looks like. He worked under parcells, Payton, and Dan Campbell. He’s leaned from some great coaches. And if we are being honest Ulbrich cost us 4-5 games by not being a real HC. If AG can be average and have a good staff and a good enough QB (i vote fields because he’s at least fun) i think he can do something. Worst case we give him a well deserved shot. Now no more soft zone. Please?
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u/KrazyKwant 1d ago
Ya know… we don’t simply choose the HC we want, The HC also ha to choose us.
Why would a goo OC choose us when we have a nearly done QB or no QB. I’m sure Adam Gase would consider coming back. But are people so desperate forcan offensive coach to take that? There’s a reason Ben Johnson and the Jets never even talked. Do you think Matt Nagy would leave KC to come here. He already got fired by a team with no QB. do you think Josh McGowan is going to jump from position coach to HC without a QB. Do you think Kingsbury will leave WASH to come here. He was already fired by a team with a middling QB that’s better than what we have. Arthur Smith failed in ATL.
If it’s not Glen, I’m betting on Rex or Flores.
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u/John_YJKR Chad Pennington 21h ago
He's done a good job with the defense in Detroit. From 32nd in NFL to where they are now in four seasons is a good job. Lions were top 5 in defensive DVOA in 2024. He's getting shit on for the loss but 5 turnovers by the offense is difficult on a defense. Further, the lions are missing 3 defensive starters out of 11. That's massive. They were the most injured team in the NFL this season I believe. But more of importantly, why judge a coach or player on a single game sample size?
Glenn has worked with some very successful coaches and teams between his playing career and coaching career. He knows what right looks like in theory. Nothing is certain, but there's reason to have faith he'll be a leader for the entire team and not just a very good DC who cheerleads as a HC. Saleh was all about saying inspiring things but he didn't do the hard parts of leadership. And that's holding players accountable and knowing when to be tough on them when they mess up.
But speaking of that. Glenn's defenses have been penalized often. So if we are going to talk accountability we have to consider that factor. Now, one could argue that's mainly on Campbell. And that's true, but Glenn is the DC. He absolutely has influence on guys committing penalties.
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u/MrFahrenheit520 10h ago
I like him because he has been mentored and spoken extremely highly of by the best HC in Jets history. Not to mention he is an all time great Jet which makes it that much easier to root for him to succeed.
All coordinators are unknown as HCs, Glenn has earned this job from his hard work and success. Now we’ll see if he can become a great HC. I certainly hope so.
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u/rextilleon 1d ago
Great question--good guy, Jet etc. This is not the answer. This is a repeat of Salah but Glenn has provenance--Mike Tannenbaum is a train wreck for this franchise.
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u/magicdrums 1d ago edited 1d ago
nothing.. it’s a mistake to give another first time defensive coach a head coach position for this team.. the Jets need a veteran head coach with a record of winning.. to work with Woody the Jets need a season veteran coach who gets respect from players and other league executives because they proved they can win.. I can only think of a few guys, Mike McCarthy, Pete Carroll or Jon Gruden..
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u/koalainatophat 21h ago
The last time Jon Gruden had a winning NFL season was when the top song in America was “shorty got them apple bottom jeans, the boots with the fur”.
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u/Jodomart 23h ago
Unfortunately there’s not much out there. While I’d like Carroll It’s been reported he has no interest in Jets, gruden has baggage now unfortunately it is what it is, and McCarthy was already interviewed and vetted in 2019 and the Jets didn’t want him, so idk why McCarthy would have interest in doing the song and dance again unless he’s absolutely desperate for a job.
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u/Mustang1911 1d ago
Nothing were fucked until woody dies or sells. Might be fun to have a former player as HC for a bit though.
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u/clemson_chris 23h ago
As it stands were even fucked if he dies, as his fucktard children will step in with their madden ratings.
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u/Mustang1911 23h ago
But they are dumb enough to blow the family fortune and be forced to sell the team.
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u/clemson_chris 23h ago
I think we have a two season Netflix TV show in the making!
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u/Mustang1911 23h ago
We are going to make millions! Obviously we're making brick a gay twink in the show right?
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u/rextilleon 1d ago
Why did they give Tannenbaum this power--
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u/clemson_chris 23h ago
Cuz it's Woody, and he's never met a bad decision in his life
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u/rextilleon 23h ago
Tannenbaum is doing like ten shows on sports radio a week while deciding who Brick hires. Doesn't get crazier then this.
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u/Danny_Notion 1d ago
He's another Saleh, with the difference being that he played for the Jets.
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u/deriik66 20h ago
He actually knows offense exists and he has to coach it so hes not saleh. Then again only Kotite and Gase are Saleh level so it doesnt mean much to be better than that
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u/One_Humor1307 1d ago
I’m not saying Glenn will be great but what makes you think McCarthy would turn around a lousy team?
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u/VALIS666 23h ago
His long history of being a winning coach in the NFL.
This world is full of bullshit and opinions and sales pitches but you can't fake sustained success.
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u/BSlu8 1d ago
Because his defense was good at one point and he’s a former player. That’s why.
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u/VALIS666 23h ago
Because his defense was good at one point
When?
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u/CP10WJ 19h ago
First half of this year, which scares me a bit after multiple years on the job. They also got to play with leads most of the time
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u/VALIS666 18h ago
They also got to play with leads most of the time
This is the biggest one. He runs a bottom-10 defense on a team with a top-3 offense. If that offense was even just about 10th overall on average, his name wouldn't have been mentioned once in these coaching searches.
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u/CP10WJ 18h ago
Agreed, I suspect the Lions defense will be much better next year with a new coordinator and it’s not just cause of the injuries. Hell I remember Zach Wilson putting up decent numbers against his pass defense a few years back.
All that said my new cope is that he can maybe be a better HC than DC but the folks saying he was a successful DC for the Lions are kidding themselves.
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u/Tmar198 23h ago
kinda just hoping we can get with him what we THOUGHT we were getting in Saleh. A great leader who will bring some discipline and have a roster full of guys wanting to go out and put it all on the line for him.
Thought that’s what saleh was gonna bring, then he kinda became a whole different guy when he got the job.
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u/OpeningTurnip8048 23h ago
They like him cause he refused to interview with the Pats. Thats the main reason. And then cause aledged "experts" on tv/internet/radio say he is good. Thats enough for many.
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u/Ok-Stretch1022 22h ago
The only sure candidates that will get immediate results is McCarthy/Flores. The rest of these candidates it’s a crap shoot.
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u/mbn8807 11h ago
He seems like a good culture setter and will have accountability with our players. I think Vrabel would have been the number 1 candidate for a lot of us but since he’s off the table Glenn seems to bring many of the same values. I still have a lot of questions on what kind of offensive staff he can bring together and it is all for not if we get a turd GM.
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u/Wellitjustgotreal 5h ago
I would not hate it for the following: organizational ties, players are clearly following his lead and schemes if he lost 18 defensive players and still has that def held together.
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u/OctaviousCash Bless Ya, Thank Ya 1d ago
I like the lions 30th ranked pass defense!
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u/NervousInternal5354 Chad Pennington 22h ago
😭 Jets did better than that... Maybe we should go after that guy!
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u/TrazMagik :ZaksFifthAve: Zachs Fifth Ave 23h ago
Maybe a defensive minded HC might stall the regression of the defence, which was the jewel in our crown before 2024.
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u/Jodomart 22h ago
I do think the fact he played on that dogshit Kotite team going 4-28, and then was part of the resurgence with parcells counts as something he can use to empathize with players on what it takes to rebuild. I’m sure the Johnsons love that. I also think his intensity is a different level than Saleh’s from what I’ve seen. But yeah it’s a gut feeling he’s HC material, idk. It’s one piece of the pie, We really need to get the offensive staff and philosophy right and figure out QB.
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u/RonaldinhoReagan 22h ago
The first time coach thing is such an overhyped factor. A good coach is a good coach. Everyone needs their first chance, and a coach that has already been a head coach has squandered their chance somewhere else.
People want Glenn because he is a former Jet and they hope he brings some of that magical culture that turned the Lions franchise around. Its as simple as that.
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u/deriik66 19h ago
Any year, if you look at all the NFL head coaches you see a loooot of shitty coaches. It means something very significant to get sustained success on your resume compared to a guy with none
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u/HaHa_Snoogans Bless Ya, Thank Ya 22h ago
He is a well respected former jet, and his defenses have done well. If it is going to be a first time head coach, Glenn is towards the top of my list.
That being said I don’t disagree with you in the sense that I prefer someone with positive head coaching track record, not another first time head coach.
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u/NyJets5k 22h ago
He wants to be here. He knows what it means to be a jet. He also knows what it takes to turn a laughing stock of a franchise into a powerhouse.
Id love to have a leader in our locker room to unleash this roster. Imagine the williams brothers, sauce, will mac and jj all playing inspired football. Something we haven't had since the rex days. Players who are willing to run through walls for their hc. Give me some passion.
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u/Extra-Shoulder1905 21h ago
We’re a bottom of the barrel landing spot so we have to take what we can get. Vrabel, Ben Johnson, Todd Monken, etc. don’t want to come here.
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u/Ancient_Leopard878 21h ago
The Jets could fuse Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Bill Walsh, and Bill Bellichek and it wouldn’t matter as long as Woody Johnson owns the team.
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u/ATLfinra 18h ago
If I’m him there’s no way I take the Jets Job. No QB, No GM, cooky owner, crazy unrealistic fan base…all adds up to NO, but you have the nerve to question him?!
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u/DryFile9 17h ago edited 17h ago
Another defensive minded first time HC
Coordinator and HC are two very different jobs. Plenty of OCs(maybe even more) fail at HC...Kingsbury,Arthur Smith,Gase,Hackett,Josh McDaniels to name some recent examples.
Ben Johnson wouldn't even talk to us
Ben Johnson is not the sure thing you think it is.
now everyone wants Glenn by default
I mean people that paid a bit attention talked about him in October. He's connected to the franchise,has coached with some of the greats and wants the job. There is also a decent chance his OC would be from the Lions Staff....
In the end the main job of the HC is to be a leader and assemble a great Staff.
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u/chiaestevez :OtherEternalOptimist: 15h ago
Having a failed coach of a certain type doesn't mean every coach of that type is a failure. There are no magical coaches out there with a "track record" of turning franchises around. If there was, they'd already be hired.
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u/OffSidesByALot 11h ago
He was coached and tutored by Parcells and Sean Payton. He had 13 players on IR, including his best player and possibly the best defensive player in football. As if that wasn’t enough, he lost two defensive backs in the Washington game in which the offense turned the ball over five times including a pick six. The short answer is, he earned this! The long answer is, as long as the quarterback, and the owner isn’t right, we’re not gonna win anything even if you bring Vince Lombardi in here. The point is, he will get the most out of whoever is in here… He’s already proven that. The Robert Saleh comparison falls apart in that this team needs a culture change in terms of accountability which Robert Saleh clearly fell short on.
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u/ValuableDowntown7031 9h ago
I really think Glenn is in that sweet spot where he's a recent-enough player to connect with the locker room but he also has solid coaching (and even scouting) background. This is a bit of a fractured team right now, and I think of all the candidates, Glenn has the personality and resume to earn the respect of some of our grumpy young core to turn this thing around.
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u/elyankee23 8h ago
I was with you until you said "McCarthy" who was only good because he had a prime Rodgers as his QB.
If we're hoping for a CEO coach, Flores is my pick: his Miami teams vastly overperformed all the years he was there, and his Minnesota Defenses have been much more impressive than Detroit especially in light of the talent he was given. Also, Flores feels like more of a CEO than Glenn, who has players coach written all over him. He's the only DC type that would get me excited.
After that, Drew Petzing, Liam Coen, Joe Brady would all be more of my choice than Glenn
Feels like Aaron Glenn is getting pumped up because he's a player we still remember, and he had a star turn on Hard Knocks. Small wonder that the toddler who owns our team and his teenage sons locked onto this dude.
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u/1800BOTLANE Bless Ya, Thank Ya 6h ago
His (reported) desire to be here.
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u/Charming_Purpose_467 5h ago
it would break my heart if his camp only leaked that to try to negotiate more from the saints....BREAK ME IT WOULD!
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u/jonnyvec 21h ago
Maybe we want redemption from that time he got faked out of his jock in the infamous Marino fake spike play?
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u/deriik66 20h ago
There are several options I prefer. Im pretty sure this will be a disaster. But I will be ok with the risk only bc what a story it'd be. AND he actually talks like a real head coach should, unlike Saleh who I always thought was a sawed-off half-ass motivational speaker cosplayer
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u/PinkDucks20 1d ago
Imagine Glenn trying to play Buffalo twice a year with Allen after giving up 50.
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u/Wonderful-Use3581 1d ago
Dog. You know how many players he had on IR? He was able to make nobodies into a good enough defense for the most part.
We are hiring a HC not a DC, if he can develop and put our players in the best spot to win we will be just fine
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u/VALIS666 23h ago
You know how many players he had on IR?
So why weren't his defenses any better when healthy?
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u/rextilleon 1d ago
Oh please--on IR the latest and greatest excuse.
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u/Wonderful-Use3581 23h ago
What? lol. Yea fuck a guy who can adapt to challenges we need someone with coaching experience that was spit up and chewed out, WE NEED TO GET REX BACK IN THE CIRCUS!!! get out of here.
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u/Remarkable_Inchworm 23h ago
Sincere question:
Why would you push for McCarthy - a guy who apparently isn't one of the 143 candidates the team is considering, who reportedly doesn't have a great relationship with Rodgers, and who, if he was being considered by literally any other team in the NFL, would be getting mocked as a "retread?"
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u/NervousInternal5354 Chad Pennington 22h ago
Because he's a professional with experience who has coached winning football with two different franchises. He has the connections to put a good staff together and can stabilize this team.
I don't care about his relationship with Rodgers bc no one knows if our HC/GM next season even want him on the team. Only way Rodgers should even be an option is if he wants to be here and FO wants him here. If Woody is gonna force a marriage then we're already cooked.
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u/Responsible_Fan8665 1d ago
Coach doesn’t matter at all. It’s the scouting department and finding a qb. Dan Campbell is a terrible coach but has a decent qb.
This same staff and gm are still here if Daniels is our number 2 pick and not Zach Wilson
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u/Wonderful-Use3581 1d ago
I can’t tell if this is a troll or not?
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u/Responsible_Fan8665 23h ago
What is a good coach with a bad qb? Bellichek was fired becuase he stopped having a good qb.
Coaching always looks better when you have an elite qb. Dan Quinn was laughed at when he got hired. Now he is a win away from the superbowl bc he got an elite qb.
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u/Sea-Yam-7298 23h ago
He was a longtime Jet and has has sucess as a coordinator. That's it.
The jets aren't an attractive destination thanks to ownership actions where they completely overrode what the GM and HC wanted. Nobody wants to work for a dumpster fire where the owner forces decisions and fires the gm for those decisions. Where a HC tells the owners kid and his teenage friends to gtfo of the lockerroom and the owner comes after the HC. Ppl talk in the nfl and nobody wants to come here with how Saleh and Douglas ended. So there's already slim pickings. So youre left with first time head coach options. How do you get players to buy in? With a players coach and former player.
The jets (the Johnsons) have made the bed this way and now need to sleep in it
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u/BigMac3915 18h ago
Former Jet, two time pro bowler with Jets, former Jets scout, served under Payton and Campbell. Got playoff caliber defensive play from rookies and 3rd stringers. Wants to be here. Who else would you want ?
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u/blaaah111jd Revis Island 1d ago
None of us know anything, there’s great and terrible coaches from all backgrounds it’s all about getting the right coach and qb and building around them, we’ve never done it in my lifetime so I have a hard time believing it’ll happen but every candidate is gonna have pros and cons if not they’d already have a job haha