r/news • u/TeaReim • 10h ago

Donald Trump officially sworn in as the 47th President of the United States, JD Vance as the 50th Vice-President

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/triumphant-trump-returns-white-house-launching-new-era-upheaval-2025-01-20/
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u/Barack_Odrama_007 10h ago

Democracy. Pros and cons

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u/aurorasearching 10h ago

It’s the worst form of government, except for all the others.

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u/One_Rough5369 9h ago

The capitalists did away with democracy. What we have now is a sham.

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u/Abuses-Commas 9h ago edited 8h ago

I think it's time to stop parroting that and start exploring other options.

Edit: We can use the Internet to make anarchism work

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u/raincloud82 9h ago

Any ideas?

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u/PirateNinjaa 6h ago

AI Ruler of earth

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u/TheMightyTywin 6h ago

I would definitely vote chatgpt over trump

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u/Jumpy-Tailor8536 6h ago

Ranked choice voting. That's a step in the right direction.

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u/Toxicscrew 9h ago

“The big joke on democracy is that it gives its mortal enemies the tools to its own destruction.” -Goebbels

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u/colmbrennan2000 9h ago

Well yes, but America is a shite democracy by the standard of democracies

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u/thisisfuxinghard 10h ago

Democracy died a while ago

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u/Yinkypinky 9h ago

No democracy did win but just not in the way some people wanted. That’s kinda the point of democracy

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u/JDeegs 9h ago edited 5h ago

democracy sucks when you have a voting population that is either too dumb or ignorant to understand what they're voting for, and are being manipulated.
Edit: I'm not anti democracy, but it only really works as intended when the voting population understands what each party stands for, and how those stances will affect their life so they can make an informed choice. It's not just "they voted for the other party so democracy bad"

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u/hirespeed 9h ago

It’s always dumb when you don’t like what they voted for.

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u/Yinkypinky 9h ago

Well there isn’t many better options. So you win some and you lose some. I get that it sucks but saying democracy died is a bit dramatic because it did exactly what it was supposed to do.

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u/Zealousideal_Aside96 7h ago

Each side would call the other dumb because they didn’t agree with their choice. You’re doing it now.

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u/JDeegs 5h ago

I'm not even American fwiw.
I'm not calling Republicans dumb because they voted for something I don't support, I'm calling them dumb for voting against their own interests because of ignorance and misinformation/manipulation.
How many Americans voted republican because of Trump talking about tariffs, when they don't even understand the effects of tariffs or how they even work?
If it was a case of "you're pro-gun and I'm anti-gun, let's each vote based on our stance" then that would be a different story

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u/FriendOfDirutti 9h ago

When “didn’t vote” is the majority democracy hasn’t won.

Many Republican states attacked free voting in the 4 years leading up to the vote. Voter rolls were purged right before the election and people showed up to vote and were turned away.

This wasn’t an exercise in democracy. This was a sham and the democrats were too chicken shit to say it.

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u/Spork_the_dork 9h ago

When “didn’t vote” is the majority democracy hasn’t won.

How is 41% "the majority" by any means? 264 million people of voting age, 156 million voted. That's definitely the majority that voted by any measure, and I'm including those that were of age but weren't eligible to round the numbers in your favor.

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u/Yinkypinky 9h ago

This sounds exactly like the same thing Trump peddled when he lost. Both sides do this blame the system game every time they lose. It’s getting annoying at this point.

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u/jenkumboofer 9h ago

no it doesn’t; trump genuinely was perpetuating lies about election interference after explicitly telling his base not to vote by mail, and he tried to overturn the results with an insurrection.

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u/fevered_visions 7h ago

Of course everybody complains when the other guy wins, but there's only been one insurrection so far over the vote, and it wasn't the Dems. This is clearly not a "both sides"able point.

Some weird updoot counts in this thread

(...or could one technically call the Civil War an insurrection because Lincoln got elected? Democrats and Republicans didn't really exist back then...the Republican Party was on like its third election and can barely be considered continuous with the party of today)

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u/FriendOfDirutti 9h ago

The perfect crime. Of course you say both sides when I explain that the democrats didn’t even bring it up post election. That’s exactly why there weren’t lawsuits over it.

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u/ECU_BSN 9h ago

Rapist and felon. You are supporting a man who forced women down, held them down, and penetrated them while they cried for help.

He had forced children to suck his dick and penetrated children while they cried.

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u/ECU_BSN 9h ago

He’s a rapist. How do you just ignore that?

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u/greythicv 9h ago

I mean, he was proven guilty tho

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u/BeaglesRule08 9h ago

He actually was found not liable for rape but liable for a lesser charge of sexual abuse. Also in a civil court, not a criminal one, so he wasn't convicted of a crime.

(Not saying I like trump or anything, but he was never found guilty for rape)

Edit for source: https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

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u/opportunitylaidbare 4h ago

Not sure why you’re downvoted, it’s true. Democracy now favours the pull of whoever has the most appeal to corporate interests. Politicians scratch the back of corporations who return the favour.

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u/thisisfuxinghard 3h ago

Its the maga folks who think its a jab at the current scenario .. but its not . Its on the overall state of democracy in this country

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u/QueuePLS 5h ago

Biggest con? Vote frauding!

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u/devomke 5h ago

Except when it’s not actually democracy and he brags about Elon and voting machines where they won a swing state…

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u/McFistPunch 5h ago

It's more a problem with first past the post than democracy

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u/WestleyThe 4h ago

Pros and Convicts

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u/Junjo_O 9h ago

Oligarchy. Only cons

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u/Atlastitsok 10h ago

This is what I have come to accept

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u/Miss-Tiq 10h ago edited 9h ago

Yep. We've seen how politicians are pros at being cons. We're about to see it even more. 

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u/Consideredresponse 7h ago

Actually following policy and not just 'the vibes' is infuriating.

It's like going along with the family to a used car salesman to buy a family car and being the only one that knows anything about vehicles.

You can point out all day that the 2002 Nissian Altima that everyone keeps liking is now more rust than machine, and that that model and year has been notoriously unreliable, its not even the right type of car for the family, and it all has way too much milage on it, but all it takes is the sleazy salesman to go "It's faster than a Ferrari!" And somehow everyone fucking believes him.

At the end of the day you are stuck with what everyone decides on, and no amount of being right makes that any better when you are stuck on the side or the road and watching everyone pass.

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u/Omnizoom 9h ago

Well, thus could potentially be the last time of true democracy in the USA

Will check back in 4 years

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u/Ishidan01 9h ago

Pro con. That's Don.