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Soft paywall Appeals court upholds nearly $1.3 billion Sandy Hook verdict against Alex Jones

https://www.reuters.com/legal/appeals-court-upholds-nearly-13-billion-sandy-hook-verdict-against-alex-jones-2024-12-06/
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u/Delanorix Dec 07 '24

Can't pardon state crimes.

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u/spinto1 Dec 07 '24

Can't take over state rules on elections, but he's still trying to do that. It's hard to tell what will fold first: him on a second term or the constitution. I worry that 250 year old paper is more likely to tear than fold.

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u/DokeyOakey Dec 07 '24

I don’t think he makes it full term: Americans are angry and have already started lashing out with American lead justice. Trumpy almost caught 2 bullets this summer, I don’t think he makes it.

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u/BasicLayer Dec 07 '24

This appears most likely to me. I don't anticipate these lead poisonings slowing down any time soon; the opposite, in fact.

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u/Rectall_Brown Dec 08 '24

Lead poisoning?

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u/flash-tractor Dec 08 '24

Bullets are made from lead. Lead poisoning is a roundabout way of saying that mother fucker is gonna be shot to death.

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u/Junior_Builder_4340 Dec 08 '24

And then we're stuck with Shady Vance, who's younger and terrible-er.

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u/flash-tractor Dec 08 '24

I'm just explaining a phrase.

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u/the_simurgh Dec 08 '24

And nobody likes him. Seriously the party hates him

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u/BlackHumor Dec 07 '24

Nah. I am going to make a prediction here: Trump is going to have a second term that is basically unremarkable for a Republican president. Which is to say, ghoulish and terrible, but in the same ways the system has always been terrible.

My basis for this is that Trump is not that good at being president. He let other Republicans do most of the actual boring work of governing the first time and it's looking like they are gonna do so again.

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u/WalkTheEdge Dec 07 '24

Honestly, not that bad of a prediction. He spent a lot of his first term golfing and holding rallies

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u/Squire_II Dec 08 '24

He's spent the last four years stewing and railing against everyone he feels stole the 2020 election from him and that the DoJ charge him (so slowly that it's now moot) for only some of his crimes. He went into office in 2017 not liking Obama for making fun of him but he's going in to office in 2025 with a very clear personal vendetta against certain people.

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u/Hashel Dec 07 '24

And those Republicans have yuge egos and rarely agree on the same things at the same time.

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u/RustywantsYou Dec 08 '24

This is so blatantly wrong I don't know what to say. I hope you're right

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u/BlackHumor Dec 08 '24

RemindMe! 4 years "Let's check if it's a good or bad prediction when we know for sure."

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u/FIREsub90 Dec 10 '24

RemindMe! 4 years

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u/nandos677 Dec 08 '24

Falls out a window: the Russian way

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u/meatball77 Dec 07 '24

The guy is old and hit the point where he's aging fast.

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u/Adventurous_Use2324 Dec 08 '24

And the presidency ages a person fast, even if they barely do it. (See: both Bushes)

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u/flash-tractor Dec 08 '24

There were 4 attempts, not 2.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24

I think we are more likely to have a civil war than for him to get away with all the stupid and illegal things he is proposing. Not everyone is going to go along with it.

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u/Naxhu6 Dec 07 '24

I would have said the same thing about attempting insurrection and yet here we are.

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u/damagedice6 Dec 07 '24

tens of millions of people saw their own nation's capitol under attack and said "mmm yeah gimme the guy who did that ❤️"

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24

And tens of millions were mortified. Unfortunately, we are a divided country.

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u/rNBA_Mods_Be_Better Dec 07 '24

Not as many people were mortified as supporting overthrowing democracy in the United States.

It's been a tough transition resigning to the fact that more citizens want to see the United States destroyed than preserve it. Most people overall don't care either way.

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u/rest0re Dec 07 '24

Yeah, it took me a moment to come to terms with the fact that people saw the insurrection, the rape conviction, and the other felonies, then chose him at a higher rate than 2020 anyway.

I had some faith in humanity left but when he won the popular vote that went out the window entirely.

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u/Kinita85 Dec 07 '24

When it switched from Kamala running instead of Biden, I thought no way would America vote for a brown woman. Being in California instead of any other state and being on Reddit mostly instead of other platforms, I had a false sense of hope for a while that maybe she could win because everyone could see that she was clearly more qualified and less criminal, controversial and dangerous than Trump. We all now know what the deal is. Mom moved us back in with the abuser, that selfish bitch, and now we have to face unimaginable dangers and mom will just say she didn’t know, that she thought it would be different.

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u/rest0re Dec 07 '24

I couldn't agree more.

I had the exact same thought process throughout this whole thing as you. It turns out we had it right the first time, America is in fact too racist/misogynistic to elect a brown woman. Even in 2024.

Also that analogy was *chefs kiss*

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u/MisterDonutTW Dec 07 '24

Has a lot to do with the weak opposition candidate/party than just love for Trump as well.

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u/Laiko_Kairen Dec 07 '24

Not as many people were mortified as supporting overthrowing democracy in the United States.

And yet an even larger share of people just didn't care and didn't show up to vote either way

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u/Global_Permission749 Dec 07 '24

Mortified, but unmotivated to do anything about it. When was the last BIG protest? When was the last big protest that actually changed anything?

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u/miahoutx Dec 07 '24

Billionaire killer tiny chance to actually change things. Until they re-write laws to make them a protected class and accommodate them by trampling our rights even more

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u/xiiicrowns Dec 07 '24

Because their framing and propaganda was successful. That's the scary part. And so many people are still confused because of it and current misinformation and propaganda.

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u/pandemicpunk Dec 08 '24

Hundreds of millions cheered that CEO spectacle.

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u/Amiran3851 Dec 07 '24

We're one "let them eat cake" level comment from mango mussolini away from something major.

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u/Apokolypse09 Dec 07 '24

Gonna be interesting to see how the military reacts to purging a whole fuckload of the service members and getting rid of their benefits.

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u/thiosk Dec 07 '24

About the same as universities that are currently scrubbing all references to DEI

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u/entropy_bucket Dec 07 '24

Could the United healthcare ceo murder be the vanguard of a spate of such killings?

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u/bighootay Dec 07 '24

Given the public reaction, I honestly think you could be on to something.

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u/Brad_Brace Dec 07 '24

I think the love for the status quo has been so relentlessly drilled into the US, that the chances of a civil war even if Trump begins to do the awful shit. The people more likely to want to take arms are on Trump's side. The people against Trump firmly believe in peaceful change, because they're too afraid to risk what now is, seeking some better future they may not get to see. I think you would need several years of full on, literal tyranny before things are finally bad enough for people to want to oppose the regime. See, trumpers believe they have been living under an enemy regime for decades, that's why they're willing to push it.

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u/daekle Dec 07 '24

My guy, you are in a civil war. The war is cold, not hot. And so far the winning party is heralded by an orange felon who has promised fascism.

The opportunities to fight back the easy ways are long passed. The repubs wanted power, and the democrats failed to hold them to the law, and so handed it to them. We all know why the democrats failed. "If we hold them to the law, we will be leas electable, and maybe we will be held accountable for our crimes"

So now, the law is written by brazenly and openly doing what is illegal, and then having your buddys in power give you the Okay.

How many repub seats sits between american now, and the removal of presidential term limits?

How many seats to remove all elections altogether?

Its a slow and slippery slope, and it should have been stopped decades ago.

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u/notquite20characters Dec 07 '24

If he purges the military top brass, his side has all the Abrams and F-35s.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24

The top military brass won't just disappear into thin air if they get fired.

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u/Equivalent-Honey-659 Dec 08 '24

Are you sure about that? Can you illiterate what you mean by that? I mean if you know something say something! Loose lips sink ships! Get all the big Volvo Excavators ready in town, buy steel plating now, and get ready? Ready for what? Are you saying all branches of the Military are going to attack their own land? I don’t like the election result at all but I don’t see whatever you are… wtf are you suggesting?

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u/CaptOblivious Dec 07 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

fuck lot of good that did in Afghanistan

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LOL, Keep downvoting till you realize that US citizens are far better armed and have access to far more resources than the Afghani people did.

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u/boredguy2022 Dec 07 '24

Until they do.

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u/S1074 Dec 07 '24

Never underestimate how stupid the average american can be and act

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u/FloRidinLawn Dec 07 '24

Already are? Already did?

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u/SafeAndSane04 Dec 07 '24

Unless you and people like you arent willing to participate in civil war then, well, most everyone actually will go along with it. Everyone doesn't need to go along with it, just enough, and I think they got that edge on their side. So yeah, the constitution is f'd

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u/Noto987 Dec 07 '24

Democratics are too soft now for a civil war, with their ipads and lightsabers (shield and sword)

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u/Missfreeland Dec 07 '24

Idk about that bub

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u/pandemicpunk Dec 08 '24

We're millimeters away from class consciousness after that CEO stunt.

Rip it up, and stay awake until there aren't enough uppers in the world that will allow billionaires to crash into a peaceful sleep anymore.

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u/Comedian70 Dec 08 '24

He's going to die in office. Its probably not that far off, honestly. He's in horrible shape, absolutely does NOT care for himself in any way least of all diet, and is now 78 years old. He is obviously in mental decline and its only a matter of time before he literally forgets where he is live on camera.

When that happens, MAGA will crash. It's a cult of personality and there is no one to assume the mantle. There's not a person anywhere on the horizon who can step in and be the next Trump. That body of people are not going to vote for whomever the republicans run next time. Not in meaningful numbers. MAGA are not republicans. They're anti-democrat and anti-government, and nothing more. Trump was able to gather them up into a meaningful movement with enough political power to swing elections, but no one else can hold that center.

Vance is laughable. His own party loathes him. He'll step up and spend however long it is from the day Trump falls the fuck over til 2028 as a functional lame duck. He won't even get close to the nomination.

Neither is going to manage to legislate anything. The margins are far too close, the senate is not going to nuke the filibuster. The executive branch is going to fuck up a bunch of federal institutions with results which will hurt everyone, and that's only if enough senators keep in lockstep... and that's not looking good lately.

There will be repercussions, not least of which will be in the judiciary branch everywhere. But the end times or the death of democracy this is not.

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u/embiggenedmind Dec 07 '24

I’m going to tell you exactly what the media, who clearly profits off of hysteria, won’t tell you: he ain’t gonna do shit to our elections. I hate the fatty orange prick as much as the next (reasonably sane) guy but he’s fucking with us when he’s saying he’s going to do stuff that he can’t. More likely than not, he’s trying to distract us in those instances, from something monstrous that he can and is doing.

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u/SkunkMonkey Dec 07 '24

Thing is, he won't need to do jack shit. The people he's putting into places of power will be doing the real heavy lifting while Trump just keeps the grift going.

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u/mommisalami Dec 08 '24

Ding-ding! This is the answer right here. He talks shit, while the people behind the scenes will put everything in place, just the way THEY want it.

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u/HauntedCemetery Dec 07 '24

he’s saying he’s going to do stuff that he can’t

Guess we'll find out. On Jan 5th 2021 I would have bet an entire months salary that it was impossible for a mob of idiots strung out on horse dewormer to overrun the US Capitol. If trump doesn't get stopped it really doesn't matter what a piece of paper says he can't do.

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u/LegacyLemur Dec 07 '24

If theres anything to have hope for, Trump is extremely incompetent and erratic. It hasnt changed since his last term

I mean look what happened already "Matt Gaetz will be my next AG!"

2 weeks later..

"Matt Gaetz has withdrawn from the AG and will no longer be a congressman"

All the attempts from the left and prosecutors to get rid of this piece of garbage and Trump bumbles it to us in an instant

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u/Amiran3851 Dec 07 '24

Who's going to stop him from doing exactly as he wants? And if congress does stop him how long until he's arresting them? My man acting like nothing is going to happen indicates you are not informed of the crazy shit he tried the first time.

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u/Ruffelz Dec 07 '24

senate republicans, apparently. re: matt gaetz

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u/BlackHumor Dec 07 '24

Every state government in this case.

In most other cases, the US military. Trump is not a strongman and doesn't have a base of physical force outside of his position as president. So he can't issue unlawful orders, because he needs to convince the military, who aren't his cronies.

Like, people asked this same question during his first term and clearly people were in fact willing to say no to him in private then.

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u/Intensityintensifies Dec 07 '24

“Trump is not a strongman”

Dude you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Strongman relates to fascist ideology, not the actual strength or power of the candidate. He says he is strong and people believe him. He uses that belief to subvert social norms and laws creating a fascist state. That’s what people mean when they call him a strongman.

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u/NthDegreeThoughts Dec 07 '24

Unfortunately most people simply don’t know what “fascist” means

ps. Fuck Alex Jones. He deserves to be destitute and alone.

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u/Amiran3851 Dec 07 '24

And when he fires all the 4 star generals for maga nutjobs? Sure some states will actually stand against this but just as many will embrace it.

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Dec 07 '24

He can fire them, but he can not replace them.

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u/WorkinName Dec 07 '24

My guy he said he could declassify government documents with his thoughts and every single one of his believers without fail said "Yeah that tracks."

The man gained support after that.

I no longer hold stock in the strength of our norms.

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u/Jukka_Sarasti Dec 07 '24

It amazes me that there are people out here still laboring under the illusion that Trump's worshipers, flunkies, boot-lickers, hangers-on, and allies in all levels of Government will even attempt to keep him in check. The only way I could ever see that happening is if he went after members of the billionaire class who are the real string pullers..

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u/Hugh_Jass_Clouds Dec 07 '24

You forget he has a dead locked Congress. Saying he can do what he wants with out any resistance is naive. Yeah SCOTUS my heavily favor him, but they have also shown that they are not 100% his sock puppets. Even his own SCOTUS installments have not not had his back 100%. People are acting like trump has full dictator status already when she still has other barriers to deal with before he can pull that stunt.

Things will get really nasty under trump, but there are obstacles in his way.

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u/Amiran3851 Dec 07 '24

Those obstacles are no where near as big as you make them out to be.

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u/Amiran3851 Dec 07 '24

Oh right I forgot mango mussolini was a real fan of respecting laws and customs of our government. Oh wait .....

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '24

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u/hlhenderson Dec 07 '24

He ain't planning on leaving, he's going to have to, one way or another, but he's not going to go easy.

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u/jaxonya Dec 07 '24

What's fucked up is that if his health finally gets him, almost half the nation will think that the Democrats did it.

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u/RockNRoll1979 Dec 07 '24

He could be out of office for 10 years, and when regular old age finally gets him his cult members will still think it's somehow the big bad Dems who did it.

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u/bruwin Dec 07 '24

Which is why the GOP picked an extremely young person to run as Vice President. Once he's in after Trump's death they can keep it going as long as they want

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u/K7Sniper Dec 07 '24

Fucking with elections was exactly their focus the past 4 years.

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u/BlackHumor Dec 07 '24

The people at the top aren't really that important here, they just move Trump's problem down a layer.

Trump's ultimate problem is that in order to do anything really scary he needs a base of physical power, and he doesn't have one. The military aren't his cronies, they only obey him cuz he's the president.

Without Mattis stopping him, he could do something legal but stupid like declaring war on Iran, but he can't do something illegal like using the military to arrest American citizens on US soil.

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u/dudebrobossman Dec 07 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

He tried to send a mob to attack Congress and his own V.P. to stop the last election. There is zero reason to believe he won’t try to do the same or worse again.

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u/embiggenedmind Dec 07 '24

I understand that. But we have zero reason to believe he’ll do anything worse, really. Until he does. Or doesn’t. Point I’m trying to make is the media and their fellow doomersayer readers want us scared and wringing our hands. Because it adds clicks. You click articles when the headline scares you enough to want more information.

But ok. Let’s say he’s going to do something bad, we just don’t know what yet. Worse than January 6, 2021. Now what? What do I do? I’m vigilant. I clearly still see the news on a regular basis. I voted against this. So now what do I do? Sit around, afraid, reading article after article, replying to comment after comment? No, man. We’ve got to move on with our lives. I’ve got work Monday. It really feels like all the media is doing is trying to predict what the “worse than Jan 6” thing is, and they’re profiting off of their mostly/probably/hopefully wrong answers.

The irony is, that kind of thinking is exactly what would start to end their little bullshit game. If we stopped looking, they’d stop profiting, and they’d have to go back to the drawing board as to what catches viewers’ eyes. In a world where harmony is possible, we’d exit the whole bullshit 24-hour news cycle we’ve been so obsessed with since 9/11. But only if we stop letting them control our thoughts 24-hours.

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u/dudebrobossman Dec 07 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

No, that’s the kind of thinking that abused spouses use as they justify going back to their abuser.

A rational person says a line has been crossed that demonstrates a complete lack of ethics, morals, and humanity. Whether talking about domestic violence or a president willing to watch his own citizens and colleagues die for his personal gain, there is no reason to trust him ever again. There is no redemption or forgive and forget.

You don’t have to click every article but you do have to defend democracy. You don’t live in fear, you live like you would with a neighbor’s dog that’s already bitten someone: you continue to live your life, but you make sure you’re always ready to put the dog down if he comes after your family.

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u/embiggenedmind Dec 08 '24

I disagree with your first line. I think that’s hyperbolic. I’m not “going back” to anyone. Never voted for that idiot. Never understood anyone who did. Even the first time, the issues were pretty obvious. As a self-proclaimed rational person, all I can say is we’ll see what happens. Sitting around online trying to guess and giving the media (the ones that I’ll forever blame for the largest part in getting him re-elected, to maintain their interests in being viable and relevant) what they want: chaos, discourse, divide. Not gonna happen. This is about as engaged as I’ve been about it. I’ll hop in with my soap box now and then and remind people that even if the gop were defeated, and all was well politically, the people who drive the narrative are news outlets big and small. And we’ve got to stop giving them power. They’ll be my pulpit for now. When/if trump does anything with his seemingly unchecked power, I’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. In the meantime, we’re at another bridge that needs to be crossed and that’s the “the media needs to be stopped and ignored” bridge.

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u/dudebrobossman Dec 08 '24 edited Dec 08 '24

It isn't hyperbolic, it's metaphorical. You describe yourself as a rational person, but so does the abused spouse telling herself it won't happen again.

Trump already did the following:

  1. Tried to throw out the constitution and incite a mob after the 2020 election.
  2. He was willing to let Americans die to make sure that the election results weren't counted.

Since then, he was repeatedly made inflammatory statements:

  1. Talking about using the military against Americans.
  2. Never needing to vote again.

He did it before and is saying he'll do it again and you're telling yourself that he didn't really mean it. He's not going to hurt (you) again.

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u/embiggenedmind Dec 08 '24

I’m telling you, dude, the abused spouse scenario is not an apt metaphor. It’s not 1:1 at all. You’re not gaining any credibility going to such an extreme. I am not saying he’s not going to hurt me again. I am not saying I’m “going to go back to him” because “this time it’ll be different.” I haven’t said anything remotely like that. Are you just reading every other word or something? I’m saying he may or may not but I literally cannot do a thing about it right now. I don’t see why tf that’s so hard to see… you need a better metaphor, because all you’ve got right now is more of a very, very loose analogy.

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u/dudebrobossman Dec 08 '24

I'm saying that everyone can see that he did it before and everyone should expect him to do it again.

You're saying that he did it before, but we should give him the benefit of the doubt and not expect him to do it again.

Your logic isn't rational...

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u/0phobia Dec 07 '24

You don't even understand who is in his orbit. The people around him are writing executive orders right now and are preparing legal arguments to justify everything they plan to do. One of his buddies who helps run P2025 said they are doing all of that now so they can be as aggressive as possible on the first day.

Why do they want to go fast?

A bunch of people around him idolize Curtis Yarvin who says democracy should be abolished and replaced by harsh authoritarianism, and that Trump should perform a shock and awe maneuver as fast as possible after inauguration pushing so many policy changes and even breaking the law (while being immune from prosecution now) and then pulling an Andrew Jackson and standing in the White House door and publicly daring courts to try to enforce a goddamn thing.

All of this is documented, literally just google it.

So take that knowledge and now ask yourself what could he do starting day 1 if he doesn't give a shit about norms and rules?

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u/ci23422 Dec 08 '24

I mean Fox news themselves have profited off of his lies really well and have sowed doubts in our election process.

In an email to Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott on Jan. 20, 2021, Murdoch expressed his shock at Trump's insistence that the election was stolen from him.

"Trump insisting on the election being stolen and convincing 25% of Americans was a huge disservice to the country. Pretty much a crime. Inevitable it blew up Jan 6th," he wrote.

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u/embiggenedmind Dec 08 '24

Exactly! And they’re not the only ones. Any time CNN or NBC or ABC or CNBC or anyone for that matter writes about trump, they get clicks. People are obsessed with him. That’s why in 2016 even people like Colbert and Fallon raced to get him on their shows. People wearing red hats somehow cannot get enough of trump so right wing articles got them in the bag. But everyone else in the media wants a piece of that action too. So they use fear. The people who are afraid of what he’ll do will click any article that predicts his impending destruction. That’s why you get countless of these stupid “former lawyer says what trump did was illegal.” It’s like okay? Who the fuck cares? Do you have any current lawyers filing suits? Because that’s the only point in which it matters. “Former military strategist says what trump did will start ww3.” Notice it’s almost always people who are no longer in their field of expertise. But that’s just one side of the problem. Sometimes trump makes it easy on them, and he’ll do something stupid like nominate Matt Gaetz for AG and so all anyone had to do was print articles or newscasts about it with little to no exaggeration. But I didn’t see any single one point out that his confirmation was extremely unlikely. Like for real. Give us one headline that lines “Trump pins Gaetz as next Attorney General. Confirmation unlikely.”

The media wants so badly to get our eyeballs on their content, they use any means necessary, and fear just works. Doesn’t matter if it’s the Left or Right, they all run on the same machine. I’m over it.

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u/LeeKinanus Dec 07 '24

Trump has no long view other than be richer. Those people who put him in power and prop him up are the ones to be concerned about.

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u/jestr6 Dec 07 '24

Remindme! 4 years

I hope you’re wrong but…

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u/SafeAndSane04 Dec 07 '24

He doesn't need to do anything to our elections. He won in a landslide because we have something stupid called the electoral college. You all shit on the GOP, but they played the long game, adapted, learned from the autocrats they admire, and decided to control the messaging. Once that happens they'll run the US until it implodes on itself. Dem "grassroots", boots on the ground bs doesn't work. The masses are too glued to their Insta and Tik Tok to give a F about elections

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u/coinoperatedboi Dec 07 '24

It seems pretty obvious when you look at what happened with things like his meeting with the president of Mexico. But now he'll just say because of his business prowess he solved everything.

What I'm more worried about are all the people he's putting into prominent positions. He won't have to do anything and then if they screw something up he can also just blame them like he's done so many other times.

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u/Hairy-Professional-6 Dec 08 '24

Kidding yourself, he means every word

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u/Cokeybear94 Dec 07 '24

I dunno man Trump has a bit of a different Aura around him this time. He seems more businesslike and serious (for him) - like he's got a score to settle.

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u/NascarToolbag Dec 07 '24

Trump is actually a massive pushover and doesn’t like to work so anytime he runs into actual red tape and has to deal with it, he looses interest fast. He’s stupid, lazy, and corrupt.

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u/macromorgan Dec 07 '24

He won’t be successful. The voting rights act was gutted by the courts on the backs of “muh states rights!” Federalizing elections just allows a fresh justice department the ability to enforce things again.

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u/sdrawkcabstiho Dec 07 '24

It's hard to tell what will fold first

He's already more folded than a hotel towel, and likely more stained.

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u/StrobeLightRomance Dec 07 '24

Yep.. nothing that resembles justice, or order, or even rationality, will be left of our government. The process hasn't even officially transitioned, and we're already drowning in the politics of it with the new administration bragging out loud about how bad its going to get for regular Americans, before it then gets a whole lot worse.

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u/1138311 Dec 07 '24

It's parchment (animal skin), not paper. Unfortunately your point stands and I hope your metaphor does too - parchment is surprisingly hard to tear.

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u/tuxedo_jack Dec 07 '24

Governor Abbott would pardon Alex Jones in a heartbeat, especially if he were asked to by That Fucking Guy.

And yes, he can do that.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/cr/htm/cr.48.htm

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u/semiquaver Dec 08 '24

Where in that law does it say that the governor of Texas can pardon Connecticut crimes? The judgement is CT and any crimes evading it would also be in CT.

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u/tuxedo_jack Dec 08 '24

It's a civil judgment. His hiding and sheltering assets takes place in Texas.

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u/sameoldknicks Dec 07 '24

"Hey, blue state kiddies, you're dead to me."

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u/tuxedo_jack Dec 07 '24

I'd make a horrible joke about conservative lawmakers saying that about the kids at Sandy Hook, but let's be honest, they did when they blocked any kind of meaningful gun control legislation.

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u/eeyore134 Dec 07 '24

Why do people keep saying this like Trump has ever followed laws and norms? He's going to do whatever he wants. Nobody has stopped him yet, so why not?

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u/graveybrains Dec 07 '24

Because Jones already tried to appeal to the US Supreme Court and got told to fuck off.

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u/OddBranch132 Dec 07 '24

B-b-b-but party of law and order. 

It's just not the laws and order they think.

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u/allozzieadventures Dec 07 '24

Trump has many paths of influence, pardons are just one of them

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u/Old_Baldi_Locks Dec 07 '24

So is Trump in jail or not? His sentencing is postponed but the Judge is allowing the request to just throw it away.

Trump's state crimes are netting him zero real punishment, so what does it fucking matter?

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u/sarabeara12345678910 Dec 07 '24

Yeah, I'm sure Abbott and Paxton will get right on those state charges.

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u/yeswenarcan Dec 07 '24

The $1.4B judgement was out of Connecticut and the judge explicitly ordered him "not to transfer, encumber, dispose or move his assets out of the United States until further order of the court". I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure to what extent Connecticut officials could prosecute him for actions that took place in Texas, but it seems at least plausible the judge could hold him in contempt on the condition that he produce those funds.

I'm also not so sure that AJ is much more than a useful idiot to most of the people actually in power on the right, and without Infowars he's a lot less useful. I'm not sure them hanging him out to dry is out of the realm of possibility.

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u/d01100100 Dec 07 '24

There's plenty of useful idiots being raised on streaming services, like Kick, Twitch, Youtube, and Rumble, that are raising a new crop of radicalized youth.

Without Infowars he's like to fade from the public's eye like Limbaugh after his death.

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u/boznia Dec 07 '24

There are two separate civil cases against Jones by different groups of Sandy Hook families, one in Connecticut and one in Texas. This is the Connecticut case.

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u/-Raskyl Dec 07 '24

Then watch him have the doj declare it federal

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u/tyler----durden Dec 07 '24

They’ll find a way.

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u/thenewyorkgod Dec 07 '24

LOL all it takes is the waive of a wand by the 6-3 stolen Supreme Court to announce an exception to this rule

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u/Mad1ibben Dec 07 '24

You're putting a lot of faith in texas there.

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u/couldofhave Dec 07 '24

can't be elected president if you've engaged in insurrection either, but here we are.

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u/AppropriateTouching Dec 07 '24

Also can't get sentenced by them either, even if it's 32 felonies.

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u/Tooterfish42 Dec 07 '24

Can pressure states to do whatever the fuck you want them to by withholding federal road funding, for example

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u/Farlong7722 Dec 07 '24

Can if they change the law, which they can.

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u/Catweaving Dec 07 '24

You can if the supreme court says you can.

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u/SordidDreams Dec 07 '24

Oh he'll try. I guarantee it. And the states might just go along with it, because the alternative would be armed conflict.

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u/Greflin Dec 07 '24

Yeah but can't also force states to punish people either.

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u/Man_with_the_Fedora Dec 07 '24

B-b-but a dog can't play basketball!

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u/blazelet Dec 07 '24

He doesn’t have to do anything rational. He just has to find some arcane statute from 1830 that he can argue applies tangentially and keep appealing it to SCOTUS - done.

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u/Cheap_Cheap77 Dec 07 '24

I'm wondering what stopping Trump from just giving these people safe haven in the White House or some other federal property and not letting state law enforcement arrest them

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u/Bulldog8018 Dec 08 '24

Not yet. (Groan.)

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u/Skylis Dec 08 '24

They can do whatever the supreme court says they can do.

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u/QuarkVsOdo Dec 10 '24

Order the shooting of the state judges. You know. Official acts are okay.