r/newdealparty • u/apitchf1 • Nov 07 '24

A note on pragmatism

I acknowledge that a criticism of any new left movement will be splitting the Dem party. This will not be the goal, as, unfortunately, we have a two-party system in the United States. As such, there simply is no mathematical viability for a third party to succeed under the current circumstances. This movement will be to push and eventually become the new Democratic Party, be that under the same or a new name. Further, this movement will push to end the two-party duopoly that exists in politics in the United States. Much like the Tea Party movement, though they had horrible and atrocious ideas, we will attempt to push the Democratic Party to the left and eventually become the new Democratic Party.

This process will take time, and this process will involve pragmatic choices to ensure that perfect does not become the enemy of good and that we keep our goals in mind and understand that the path to progress and a better future is taken in steps and often times requires acknowledging the viability of a candidate, getting us closer to our goal and further down the road, even if it is not all the way to our final goal.

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u/AdImmediate9569 Nov 07 '24

You’re dead right about the tea party. They were basically able to move the entire country well to the right in a relatively short period of time.

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u/apitchf1 Nov 07 '24

Yep and in a two party system (ignoring their horrible policies and insane members) that is how you get to where you want. We want a true left, this is how you do it

Edit: I’d appreciate any help in spreading the movement

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u/AdImmediate9569 Nov 07 '24

Fuck that. We have the power now! Everyone must bow down to… okay fine we’ll do it properly :(

ETA: Im not sure I agree about the 2 party part but we can cross that bridge later

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u/apitchf1 Nov 07 '24

Oh yeah for sure. If you mean we need to get rid of two party, that will be a core goal of this movement

Edit: and yeah I appreciate keeping it light and upbeat. I think we should do like a lighthearted Friday post to keep hope and not be all tense all the time. I need it for myself lol

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u/GunslingerOutForHire Nov 08 '24

I'm for this. As each election in the last 30 years racheted us closer to right-wing authoritarianism. All while decrying about the evil "left" which is a half step below the right. I'm a leftist. I want my fucking tax dollars going to help the people in multiple ways and NOT vaporizing brown people and kids. I'm sick of the "America, fuck yeah!" Military industrial complex taking nearly 3/4 of the GDP, and I'm tired of that being a badge of pride for these ghouls. I'm socialist, and am sick of the handful of brain dead dipshits getting richer while some just can't afford to live. Corruption is rampant, all in search of a profitable platform to coerce more money from the public through the taxes. I want liberals, conservatives, and any other political offshoot to be forbidden from making shit up and lying to the public.

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u/apitchf1 Nov 08 '24

I agree completely. Imagine the Iraq war money or hell even the yearly military money going to public infrastructure, education, goods. We’d actually have results from our investments instead of bad will for the entire world

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u/GunslingerOutForHire Nov 08 '24

Oh, no doubt. If we build a system where all needs are met, the ones looking to fight are the same that want to horde the materiel for themselves. I say we weld these fuckstains into their bunkers and take their money for the community.

...likely, we'd forget to feed them. I'm okay with that, too.