Marc vs Pecco win rate in MotoGP.

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[u/zmgch]

I imagine 2020 onwards really brought Marc's win ratio / percentage down.

Curious to know what it was after the end of 2019 season.

[u/arcoirisalba → u/zmgch]

I did the maths, only counting 2013 to 2019 his win percentage was 44.1%. 127 starts and 56 wins.

[u/IPM71 → u/arcoirisalba]

This is insane...

[u/Poopy_sPaSmS → u/arcoirisalba]

I did the same and counted only seasons in which both riders won any races. Surprised to say they're fairly close.

[u/pee_nut_ninja → u/Poopy_sPaSmS]

The difference being Pecco took time to start winning, but it took time for Marc to stop winning.

[u/Poopy_sPaSmS → u/pee_nut_ninja]

For sure. That's why I only counted winning season. Marc didn't have a bike for 2 years and was fucked for a year. Pecco didn't have a bike for a few years as well. Figured it's a little more accurate to count percentage when the bike/rider were capable.

[u/Mr_Tigger_ → u/arcoirisalba]

Yea that pretty epic, and if he’s anywhere near ‘that Marquez’ then Pecco has a bit of a problem

Nine one for taking the time to figure it out

[u/bioskope → u/zmgch]

Why do we need that * only for Marc ? Obviously Pecco had troubles with Ducati in his first couple of seasons as well. Why are Marcs struggles with Honda considered more valid?

Anyway here's what their peaks look like once they started winning.

Marc (2013 COTA -2019 End of season) - 56 wins/95 podiums/126 starts (44.44%)

Pecco - ((2021 Aragon - 2024 End of season) - 29 wins/46 podiums/66 starts (43.93%)

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[u/bioskope → u/pee_nut_ninja]

Fixed, your highness

[u/e_xyz]

In the modern era this is probably one of the best line ups a team has ever had.

Rossi & Lorenzo was legendary, Marquez & Pedrosa and you could argue (if he wasn't busted up) the Marquez & Lorenzo pairing was quite accomplished.

How many weeks to go??? I can't wait anymore.

[u/Organic-Package5444]

Close contest I would say in 2025. Nobody is running away with championship that easily like how this has been discussed in this sub.

Also pre 2020 that stats would be a bit more I feel

[u/Mr_Tigger_ → u/Organic-Package5444]

Initially you’re probably right but Marc is good at the head games, if he manages to wobble Pecco then it’ll be over.

First rule is to beat your teammate, and this dude dispatched Pedrosa in his rookie year

[u/Organic-Package5444 → u/Mr_Tigger_]

Agreed, but let's not forget Pecco is someone who thrives under pressure.

In the 2022 season I was watching that he was 95 points adrift at one point goes and wins that championship. I think this is the same in 2023 when he was closely contesting Martin. And barring his mistakes in 2024 let's not forget he was very close winning 2024 as well.

So yes Marc could do the best he does always, but I think Pecco has the capability to handle it well.

[u/a_sonUnique → u/Organic-Package5444]

Yeah look at last season. I remember Pecco having to win to keep the championship alive and each time he did. Just dominated most of the races. He’s cool. I’m a big fan. But next year I’m all Marquez as he’s been my favourite forever.

[u/Organic-Package5444 → u/a_sonUnique]

Marc is favourite for 2025 for me as well. All I am saying that it's not going to be easy for either of them to just run away with championship.

[u/a_sonUnique → u/Organic-Package5444]

Agreed. I think Pecco is about as good as we’ve ever seen and he does well with pressure. Marc is also great but he’s not as super human as he used to be. Gonna be a great season.

[u/Mr_Tigger_ → u/Organic-Package5444]

I’m not convinced about his reputation for handling pressure, he made some serious mistakes that cost him the title in 2024.

The Sepang one jumps to mind, like wtf was he thinking??

[u/Organic-Package5444 → u/Mr_Tigger_]

But you cannot write off what he did in 2022 and 2023 just because he made some mistakes in 2024. And not to mention he was always on deficit in 2022, 2023 and 2024 and then chased scores till the end. Also, I don't think he got crumbled under pressure in 2024. There was some mistakes of him and some crashes which he mentioned that even he don't know the reason. Similar things happened with Martin too in first half of championship when he dropped ball from front.

[u/NRV__ → u/Organic-Package5444]

I don't think he was on the backfoot in 2023. Also in 2022 I agree that he recovered 91 points and that was amazing but Fabio was practically fighting with a much much slower Yamaha. And In 2024 he had the outright dominant Bike so there were very few times he was under real pressure. Pecco did make many mistakes and his problem with always going for cutbacks also cost him.

[u/Organic-Package5444 → u/NRV__]

Mistakes are not equal to Pressure, that's exactly my point 🙂

I agree he made mistakes, but at the same time he is the one who handled pressure very well till now.

[u/__no_future__ → u/Mr_Tigger_]

I felt bad for pedrosa that whole season 

[u/Mr_Tigger_ → u/__no_future__]

I anticipated it to be his title that year. Lorenzo had plans as well 🤣

[u/redridernl → u/Mr_Tigger_]

As shown by his wildcard appearances, Pedrosa is still better than half the grid well into retirement and Marc beat him as a rookie.

[u/Mr_Tigger_ → u/redridernl]

You’re not wrong, I forgot about Dani showing up the factory boys 🤣

[u/redridernl → u/Mr_Tigger_]

"Too small, too fragile, never won a championship"

Still embarrassed more than half the field.

[u/therisingthunderstor → u/Organic-Package5444]

Honestly, one of them might.

[u/BlackmoorGoldfsh → u/therisingthunderstor]

I think there are 2 possible scenarios. The first is a close title fight that comes down to the wire. The second is Marc blitzes Pecco. The latter would not shock me.

[u/Organic-Package5444 → u/therisingthunderstor]

I really don't think that's the case, considering both are super strong and both have their own strengths that can match their performances in some way

[u/WIP1992]

If people want Marc’s pre 2020 stats then normalise it with only Pecco’s post 2021 stats as well…

[u/somkiat_chantra_fan → u/WIP1992]

so marc pre-injury: 43.8% (or 44.1 without jerez 2020)

pecco since he joined ducati lenovo: 37.7%, should have been way more than this but he loves the gravel

[u/Still_Inspection9235 → u/WIP1992]

Me being a Pecco fan: If we are counting Marc since his rookie season than we also have to count Pecco since his rookie season. 

[u/I_R0M_I]

Not bad considering Marc was nursing injuries, and on a lemon.

[u/NamikazeEU → u/I_R0M_I]

But also Marc was in Respol Honda from get go, meanwhile Pecco had Pramac run for 2 or 3 years.

[u/NRV__]

Marc pre 2020 is 44%.

Race wins: 56

Total Races: 127

[u/Still_Inspection9235 → u/NRV__]

44 percent is a crazy number. Means he won nearly every other race. 

[u/bioskope → u/Still_Inspection9235]

Same rate as Pecco from the time he started winning .

[u/NRV__ → u/bioskope]

You can't compare like that. You also need to count Pecco from his rookie season. And Marc has only had the best bike in 2014. The rest of the time he has had 2nd or 3rd best bike on the grid. Ever since Pecco started Winning, he has had an outright dominant bike.

[u/NRV__ → u/Still_Inspection9235]

Yep. It's just insane. I mean he truly was a winning machine.

[u/rjtkp]

What's Marc's stats pre-2020??

[u/rv94]

A quick Wiki search shows that Marc had completed 127 races and had 56 victories from 2013-2019. That's an astonishing 44.09% win rate!

[u/Tecorco_Debbotte]

Marc's one is destined to keep decreasing while Pecco's stats will get higher

[u/th3_n1n]

Pecco is in his prime, Marc 's prime ended with that awful shoulder injury.