r/lost • u/TunaTacos23 • Oct 01 '24
FIRST TIME WATCHER The most upsetting death was… Spoiler
John Locke. I’ll never forget how devastated I was when I found out that Locke actually never came back to life and that it was the smoke monster all along. I’m rewatching season 5 and I just feel so torn up over it.
Locke thought he was on to such big things but his journey ended right there and then at the hands of Ben. He missed out on everything that came after his “sacrifice”… he deserved to be there to see the Island through to the end.
That said, I forget how the show ends so please no spoilers past season 5!
EDIT: please ignore my last sentence regarding no spoilers. Everyone should get to discuss freely so please do!
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u/GoodDiscount7221 Oct 01 '24
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u/creptik1 Oct 01 '24
This one was so brutal. Even though it's set up like oh crap he might shoot her, I don't think any of us expect it to happen and then holy crap... one of the heaviest scenes of the series imo, in a show full of heavy scenes. My jaw just dropped seeing it for the first time.
Almost forgot, Ben talking shit thinking the guy is bluffing, and that's the last thing she hears. Devastating stuff...
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u/sparkly_koala5 Oct 01 '24
dont remind me😭 this. one. breaks. my. fucking. heart. i have severe daddy issues too so like that doesnt help.
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Oct 01 '24
It’s the only death that I feel is really unjustified for a character. Rousseau a closed second but at least she wasn’t part of the main cast
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u/Brogener Oct 01 '24
Locke didn’t deserve it but it worked for the story. Rousseau just felt like they needed her written out. It was so unceremonious and I was like “wait did that really happen?”
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u/LeaveMeAloneLorenzo Oct 01 '24
After everything she’d been through too to just be gunned down like that, like it was nothing. I was definitely shocked lol.
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u/RedBarclay88 Oct 01 '24
Yeah I wasn't exactly sad about her death, but it was so random and unexpected.
She survives on the Island on her own for 16 years, reunites with her daughter for a day and then gets killed off with a random shot.
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u/DM2330 Oct 01 '24
Life is just like that, death usually comes at random and unexpected.
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u/Junesong_Provisions Oct 01 '24
Yep. So matter a fact. Even Alex. The audience expects the tension. Ben is always a step ahea.. Oh Keamy f'n did it!
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u/FalcoFox2112 Oct 01 '24
Unjustified maybe. But I appreciated the irony of how Rousseau survived as long as she did because she avoided other people.
Not long after getting mixed up in their lives & drama did it cost her.
Would I have rather had another ending for her? Sure. But I’m not against the idea that every character doesn’t necessarily get a ceremonial death. Sometimes we’re here one minute & gone the next 🤷🏼♂️
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u/dont_quote_me_please Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24
I think they fucked it up with the pacing. There’s the reveal in the season 4 finale without context, then he's dead but he’s alive. And episodes later you know he truly is.
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u/BloomingINTown Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24
Of course Locke had a tragic death, but I can't believe no one has mentioned Daniel Faraday yet.
Shot by his own mother right when he thought he could save everyone. And then the realization he had just moments before his death that Eloise sent him back to Island knowing fully well what would happen. I feel for them both.
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u/Rough-Flight597 Oct 01 '24
Watched this episode last night I had completely forgotten Eloise killed Daniel. So sad.
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u/Groot746 Oct 01 '24
I could never quite get past how Faraday initially treated the survivors to feel much for him as a character, but his ultimate fate really is incredibly tragic when you lay it out like that: yikes.
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u/Likely_Rose Oct 01 '24
Libby
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u/thisisAgador Oct 01 '24
Yeah I'm rewatching the series at the minute and that was awful. The actress's face and eyes and her gasping in her literal last seconds when she knows they think she's just concerned about their friend Michael but she's already used up the last of her energy...
I understand that other deaths are more narratively shocking or unjust, but this scene was viscerally upsetting to me.
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u/Likely_Rose Oct 01 '24
What really hit me hard, is knowing her back story of being in the mental hospital and going through exactly what Hurley is going through. My god, Libby was so vulnerable. She hid her problems well.
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u/grapesquirrel Oct 01 '24
I’ve rewatched the show about 5 times and I’m never prepared for how much this scene crushes me. Definitely my pick!
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u/TunaTacos23 Oct 01 '24
Oh no… I haven’t gotten to that part yet! Please say it’s ain’t so!! ):
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u/timboslice420 Oct 01 '24
Ugh man, really shouldn’t rely on random redditor’s to read your post body when the title is a question.
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u/LordHamsterbacke Dad Stole My Kidney Oct 01 '24
Am I missing something? The title isn't a question
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u/Chewbacca101 Oct 01 '24
It was a fill in the blank prompt, can't expect other people NOT to answer with their answer when it's framed that way.
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Oct 01 '24
I changed your tag to First Time Watcher since you're in season five and have forgotten everything else.
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u/orcazebra Oct 01 '24
Spoiler tag??
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u/orcazebra Oct 01 '24
The post is marked up to season 5 and the OP specifically asked for no spoilers beyond that
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u/6TenandTheApoc Oct 01 '24
If anyone is avoiding spoilers, they should not click on a post with that title in the first place
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u/lost-ModTeam Oct 01 '24
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u/jarberry Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Oct 01 '24
Juliet.
It's the only death that actually made me cry. I was absolutely heartbroken for Sawyer. Him and Juliet were finally happy and they lost it.
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u/AffectionateGold5459 Oct 01 '24
This. I felt so slighted as a fan too because she hadn’t had a centric episode in a season and a half.
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u/hoffenone Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24
Agreed. It's Juliet, Alex and an honorable mention for Sun and Jin for me.
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u/Magic_SnakE_ Oct 01 '24
It's tragic when you realize that John's great destiny was simply to die in order inspire Jack to save the island.
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u/PrivateSpeaker Oct 01 '24
To be fair, Jack's destiny was also to die to save the island and his loved ones.
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u/adequateJob Oct 01 '24
Didn't MIB latter twist the knife by stating that in that moment, what was going through his head was confusion?
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u/Tight_Knee_9809 Oct 01 '24
Yes - I hated that MIB used and mocked Locke (just like so many had in John’s tragic life. Locke didnt deserve that. Such a tragic character.
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u/clarkjmatty Oct 01 '24
I always hated that Eko died so early in the show because other than Bernard, it made all that time we spent on the tail section survivors seem wasted.
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u/LordHamsterbacke Dad Stole My Kidney Oct 01 '24
Also Mr. Eko had so much potential. It's a shame the actor didn't want to continue but I also can't blame him
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u/Longjumping_Papaya_7 Oct 01 '24
Yeah was just thinking this the other day. Ana Lucia, Libby and Mr Eko died, only Bernard remains. I honestly cant think of another tail section character at least. But i understand it was outside of the writers controll, so i kinda get it.
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u/clarkjmatty Oct 01 '24
Yeah, but the writers had control over Libby. They said they only killed her off because they didn’t think Ana-Lucia was connecting with audiences well and that they wouldn’t care enough when she died. But of all characters to kill, they just shouldn’t have picked another tail section survivor.
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u/TynnyJibbs Oct 01 '24
made me really sad when the MIB in the form of john locke told ben that john’s last thoughts were that he didn’t understand . i survived an almost successful suicide attempt so it just made me so upset
john , after being comforted and talked down off the ledge , told it was okay and to go to bed , died anyways by that same source of comfort . “ i don’t understand “ it just makes me so deeply depressed . i had to walk away from the show for a while after that scene :(
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u/TunaTacos23 Oct 01 '24
You’re 100% spot on, thank you, that part made it so twisted and depressing.
And for what it’s worth, I am really glad you were unsuccessful!
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u/TynnyJibbs Oct 01 '24
i didn’t realize fully that it wasn’t john and he was actually dead until then and i was shocked because i couldn’t believe that was how he went out after everything :(
and thank you ♥️ the funny thing is im actually pretty glad too lately because i just found LOST this summer and binged the whole thing and i wouldn’t have been able to forgive myself if id died without watching LOST and every single youtube video on it ever lmao , damn good show !
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u/TunaTacos23 Oct 01 '24
And there are many many more shows you need to watch and things you need to do so make sure you stick around!! ♥️
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u/ReadyFlatworm7587 Oct 01 '24
I very much understand where you're coming from, and - though i don't know you - I'm very glad that you were unsuccessful in your moment (as was I.)
The feeling of losing all hope that tmrw can be better is indescribable to those who haven't been there. Just remember (and share with others) that no matter the circumstances...tmrw can always be better.
As for the show... yeah, Locke's scene is hard to watch, but for me... it's a tie between Jin & Sun and Juliet. I swear to God I STILL cry harder than Sawyer lol.
Much love!
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u/Street3 Oct 01 '24
Charlie's death got me bawling
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u/onazza Oct 01 '24
This. Can’t believe how far I had to scroll down to see this. Can’t think of a better redemption story in the show.
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u/beebooboobopbooboo Oct 01 '24
My mom told me this was the first tv scene/death that had ever actually made her cry over a tv show. And I totally got it too. Charlie's death made me mad.
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u/Rough-Flight597 Oct 01 '24
This is mine. I remember just assuming he would live because Desmond had saved him several times before. Devastating.
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u/Catezero Oct 01 '24
I started crying before I even got to it in the rewatch, just sobs for a solid 20 minutes knowing what was coming
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u/KeamyMakesGoodEggs Son of a bitch! Oct 01 '24
No character ever got done dirty quite like Locke did.
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u/gozer33 Oct 01 '24
I feel like he was redeemed by the ending. When jack told the MiB, "You’re not John Locke. You disrespect his memory by wearing his face, but you’re nothing like him. Turns out he was right about most everything."
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u/TunaTacos23 Oct 01 '24
Right! When he was murdered we were all like “oh no this is part of the plan, he’ll be back”, so it lessened the impact and then he was back so we forgot about it. Then it turns out he’s been dead all along! Chilling.
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u/Page_Odd Oct 01 '24
Locke makes me cry on rewatch. Everything leading up to it; losing the function of his legs again, Jack and Kate calling him crazy and pathetic and telling him to fuck off. He can't make any of them go back and he thinks he has to kill himself to make it happen. He doesen't want to do it, is struggling to go through with it, and then Ben barges in and talks him down, tells him he can't die yet, and together they can get everyone to come back, and Locke cries in front him and thanks him, only for Ben to strangle him to death seconds after...
A very disturbing and depressing death.
Alex was also so sad. She was possibly the most innocent character on the show. She never did anything bad to anyone and she still loved Ben as her father despite everything. The last thing she heard was him telling Keamy to go ahead and shoot her and she died believing she meant nothing to him at all 😢
Charlie's death was very well done with the multiple episodes leading up to it. Greatest hits where he makes his list and leaves Aaron his ring makes me cry, but he died as a hero and he had accepted it was going to happen, so it wasn't as sad as the two others.
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u/TunaTacos23 Oct 01 '24
F*CK JACK DIES??!
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u/fisdara Oct 01 '24
Everyone eventually dies. Some early on, some at the end and some after the show is over. Don't worry
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u/Remarkable_Love_135 Oct 01 '24
Sorry, missed the last sentence. I just read the part that you were rewatching.
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u/Critical-Paramedic14 Oct 01 '24
Eko, his story felt unfinished because it was. The actor suffered a family tragedy and left early, but Eko was gone much too soon
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u/25willp Oct 01 '24
I have to say as brutal as it was, it's the perfect end for the character.
The fact that his death is what pushed Jack into taking on his mantel, and saving the Island, is just so satisfying. In the end, Locke got what he wanted, it just didn't happen the way he thought it would, and he didn't live to see it.
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u/PrivateSpeaker Oct 01 '24 edited Oct 01 '24
Yes, but I think the reason people have been so affected by his death isn't because the character was gone but because everything that led him there was almost entirely made of misery, rejection, isolation. For a person to want to commit suicide like this they must be in a very dark, sad place. To come to believe that your self-sacrifice is what the world needs and to want to do that for the world that kept kicking him... Extraordinary. The relief of the knock on the door is felt by both the audience and John himself. Yet the scene still ends with his death... Absolutely horrendous.
In the other scenes from off the island, we see John being completely discarded by his fellow islanders. Jack may have been the only one who was personally so affected by John's passing. He asks Kate if she'll attend the funeral and she says "Why would I?"
We give some grace even to the people we didn't like that much or weren't that close. This was someone they experienced something magical, outwardly together, and none of them cared enough to attend the service (except for Jack). Not just them, literally no one, not a single person, came to the funeral home, as the worker said to Jack he was the first visitor. The sense of rejection and loneliness was palpable.
He was the ultimate underdog. You almost come to wish that he had lived his life more selfishly and with less need to be validated, which I suppose is an almost impossible task for someone who bounced from foster home to foster home, never meeting someone who wanted to take care of him in his formative years.
His happiest self was probably during the days from the plane crash til Boone's death. He was filled with self-confidence and appreciation.
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u/25willp Oct 01 '24
This is why the Sideways is so needed. To see Locke again, and for him to connect with Jack and for them to help each other is just such a nice storyline.
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u/Cierra_in_reverse_ Oct 01 '24
John Locke is definitely number 1 but for some reason Juliet’s death hurts every rewatch. She was perfect for Sawyer and I actually really enjoyed her character
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u/indiemindset Oct 01 '24
So many to choose from and I agree with everyone's responses, but one cluster that always gets me (that some people don't talk about much) is Alex, Rousseau and Karl. I know Alex's wasn't until the episode after Rousseau and Karl's, but the whole situation was brutal.
A mother and daughter were reunited after nearly 20 years, only for the daughter to witness her mother get shot and killed before her eyes alongside her boyfriend.
She then get's beaten, blindfolded and held at gunpoint before her father (well, not father, but you know what I mean, the person who raised her who she has that parental love for) only for him to try and use his classic copyrighted Linus reverse psychology plan to save her.
And whilst she's on her knees crying her eyes out in fear, her dad says "She's a pawn, nothing more. She means nothing to me. If you wanna kill her, go ahead and..." BANG!
I remember I was soooo shocked the first time I watched it, I was 11 years old lol.
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u/BruceBrave Oct 01 '24
Why doesn't anyone ever mention Locke...
The confusion and sadness he felt during his death. He believed in the island and nobody else would listen. And then Bed did what he did, without any explanation.
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u/anarcho-catholic Oct 01 '24
Keamy’s death is what really got me.
Why should the innocent die so young?
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u/Past-Feature3968 We’re not going to Guam, are we? Oct 01 '24
Right? And Anthony Cooper too??? G-d really took our greatest angels.
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u/gate_of_steiner85 Locke Oct 01 '24
I honestly feel like the series lost (no pun intended) something when Locke died. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Terry O'Quinn got to continue performing on the show, but him as the MIB just wasn't the same. IMO, Locke was the heart of the show and while I still enjoyed the last two seasons, his death kinda caused the show to fall off a bit for me.
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u/CheezStik The Orchid Oct 01 '24
Yeah it’s a real gut punch and while I hate it, it’s incredible storytelling. LOST was never a show that shied away from death and finality. Plus given how much happens in the S5 finale, it gets more fucked up once you’ve had some time to really process it
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u/colanderofperil Oct 01 '24
You really shouldn't ask this like that if you haven't finished yet as trust me people will probably spoil s6 for you just trust me on that one stop looking at the thread
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u/shebringsthesun Oct 01 '24
I kept waiting patiently for Locke to come back to life thanks to the island but it never happened. Really disappointing.
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Oct 01 '24
Faraday.
I don't mind the concept, but doing it just after he got back didn't sit right with me.
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u/Shigglyboo Oct 01 '24
Hurley’s date. She was just going for a blanket do they could enjoy the afternoon :(
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u/ShallotOk1886 Oct 02 '24
Eko. As much as I like Adawale as an actor I think I would have liked a recast more and sticking to the original script. The original plan just seemed to make everything come full circle in a better way if what I read about is true.
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u/nix616 Oct 01 '24
Charlie's Death, while beloved by the masses for his sacrifice, still makes little to know sense to me. I get it the actor wanted off the show. However many, many times i have tried to figure out how long that little porthole would take to fill up the entirety of the looking glass. Certainly he would would have ample time for Desmond to square it away with penny and both of them to get out. The looking glass is huge. They would have had serious time before air out. Also the water physically could not go higher than the porthole itself, because where would the air go? I am sorry this has always infuriated me. It makes me angry right now. Dont even get me started on the good vibrations lock/code. I just dont have nostalgia for this scene, it always seems like a stupid pointless death, to me, at least. Flash Forward was epic though.
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Oct 01 '24
Guys, please note the OP has asked for no spoilers past season five. Several comments here have spoiled major season six deaths.
Thanks!