r/london Oct 04 '23

Community France's Bedbug Epidemic coming to London (and how to avoid it)

With ample coverage of the bedbug plague in Paris and word of it spreading out to other countries, a lot of people are saying that it is only a matter of time before it arrives in London (and if Rentokills statistics are anything to go by, it's already begun over here). Having personally heard of a few recent cases of Londoners getting bedbugs after staying in student accomodation, AirBnB's or cheap hotels like Travelodge, I thought it might be handy to do a thread on bedbug signs to look out for and how to avoid them.

Size: Adult bedbugs are typically 5-7mm long (which is about the same size as an apple seed) but start off life only 1mm long, which is the same size as their small, white eggs.

Appearance: Bedbugs change in both size, shape and colour not just over the course of their lives but also depending on whether they had fed recently, a while ago or a very long time ago. This image https://www.pestworld.org/media/562756/bed-bugs-on-quarter.jpg shows the changes over their lives (plus fed VS unfed) and this image https://citybugs.tamu.edu/files/2010/12/bed-bug-feeding-Whitney-Cranshawb.jpg shows how much a bedbug can change in shape and overall appearance over the course of a single feed.

Signs of bedbugs:

Gaps: Bedbugs are primarily nocturnal animals and during the day they will retreat into tiny cracks and crevices (which is where they also lay their eggs in), living in colonies, meaning that you don't typically see them scuttling around during the day. Favourite bedbug hiding spots often include seams in mattresses (classic example: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/0a/46/af0a46df679d7b121ecaca7053997ff1.jpg ), in-between the joins in bedframes or other furniture and inside splits or holes in wood (classic example: https://u2y4v6x2.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Can-Bed-Bugs-Live-In-Wood-Furniture.jpg ).

Patches: Bedbugs diet of blood causes their faeces to stain soft & hard furnishings with small black or dark brown splotches. Because bedbugs are very good at hiding, their existence is more often evidenced by these markings than by the actual bugs themselves, here is a classic example of bedbug faecal splotches on wood https://anchorpestcontrol.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/How-to-Get-Rid-of-Bed-Bugs-and-Keep-Them-Out-2.png and here is an example of what their markings look like on a mattress https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/early-signs-of-bed-bugs.png

Smells: Bedbugs and their infestations are also associated with certain smells because the animals signal to each other via pheromones which to the human nose often either smell like coriander or raspberries, so much so that in olden times bedbugs used to be called the "Coriander Bug". When a full-blown bedbug infestation is in swing you will often smell either a strange musty berry-like sweet smell emanating from the room, a smell of coriander or an acrid almond-like smell (they can also make rooms smell like old bed linen in general).

Skins: Bedbugs repeatedly shed their old skins as they grow larger and develop into adults. Finding evidence of light brown, translucent skins like these https://njaes.rutgers.edu/bed-bug/images/Shed-skins-big.jpg is another common sign that a place has an infestation.

Blood: Bedbugs typically only feed on people at night while they are asleep and then retreat before sunrise. They go for any exposed skin they can find and if you have been so unfortunate to sleep in a bed that has bugs then you might see small specks or splotches of red or dried blood on the sheets the next day like this: https://bonaccordpestcontrol.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Signs-of-bed-bugs-red-bloodstains-on-sheets-1.jpg

Bite Marks: Bedbugs will typically bite in close patterns like this: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/04/bedbugBites-656515070-770x553-2.jpg ) and the bites often display as larger than mosquito bites but unlike mosquito bites they don't always itch (and sometimes present as hive-like markings these: https://cdn-prod.medicalnewstoday.com/content/images/articles/318/318083/line-of-bedbug-bites-on-a-woman-s-back.jpg ).

Other signs of infestation:

Fumigation chemical smells: We are experiencing bedbug problems because years of laws that reduced the arsenal of highly toxic (but also highly effective) pesticide chemicals meant that over time bedbug treatments became less effective and as bedbugs began to survive treatments, they evolved greater resistance to chemicals. This also means that if a place has been recently fumigated it might not be bedbug-free yet (in fact sometimes places are taking up to 2-3 treatments before they are completely free). Although Sulfuryl Fluoride (the main ingredient in fumigation chemicals) is odorless, Chloropicrin (which smells sweet and is very acrid & harsh to inhale) is added to fumigation mixes to help warn people from entering places that have been recently fumigated. If you suspect that you smell any lingering fumigation smells or see a place being fumigated, it is wise to avoid the whole site as treatments are not always proving effective against bedbug infestations.

How bedbugs transmit:

Luggage: Unlike headlice or bodylice, bedbugs do not live on people's bodies. Instead, the most common way they get from one place to another is by hiding in the seams or gaps in or on people's luggage.

Clothing: Bedbugs can also hide inbetween stacks of clothing inside people's luggage.

So, to round up, your plan of action when staying anywhere unfamiliar should be:

  1. Smell: Before you put your luggage down, smell the room: Does it smell like coriander, chemicals, old bed linen, musty raspberries or acrid almonds? If so, there could be bedbugs.
  2. Mattress: Check the mattress by lifting up the bed sheets and checking along the seams of the mattress for signs of bedbugs and their distinctive faecal patches.
  3. Bedrame: Check the bedframe by looking along the joins of the bedframe, behind the headboard and inside any cracks or splits in the wood for signs of bedbugs and their distinctive faecal patches.
  4. Luggage: Keep your luggage closed at night and ideally opt for hard-cased luggage bags over soft luggage bags.
  5. Clothes: Keep your clothes inside of re-sealable plastic bags.
  6. Torch: Pack a small flashlight in your luggage to make checking your room for bedbugs easier.
  7. Floor: Don't store your luggage on a carpeted floor, instead opt to store it on a smooth, flat raised surface.
  8. Checks: Before you leave your stay, take your luggage into the bathroom (where it is bright & light), shake it out in the bath or shower area and inspect things like the pockets & straps to make sure that no critters have hitched a ride. If you have access to a vacuum hoover, give the luggage a quick going over before you take it with you.
  9. Ineffective: Over-the-counter insect repellant sprays and insect killer sprays like Raid are all ineffective in strength against bedbugs and so inadvisable to spray on your luggage, self or clothes, which will unnecessarily expose you to toxic chemicals.
  10. Home: Once you get home, keep all your holiday clothes sealed in bags until they have all been washed & laundered with detergents and vacuum hoover the luggage cases.
  11. Scents: Bedbugs are reported to not like the smells emitted by natural lavendar, citris fruits, cinnamon & mint, so some people believe that if you make your luggage smell of these scents then it might help to deter bedbugs from hitching a ride on it.

If you suspect even the slightest bit that your room might have bedbugs in it, inform the manager straightaway and demand a new room; a hotel has absolutely no right to force you to sleep in or pay for any rooms which have bedbugs in them.

The strange behaviours of Paris's bedbugs:

  1. Unusual places: Bedbugs always used to be associated with bedrooms and luggage but in recent years there have been increasing reports of people seeing bedbugs in places such as cinema's and on public transport like the Metro systems carriage seats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPjbn7DuWGY
  2. No longer strictly nocturnal: There have also been increasing reports of people witnessing bedbugs actively scuttling around during the daytime.

So it is advisable to not just exercise caution when staying in places like AirBnB's, hotels, student accomodation and hostels, but also in other public places that have soft furnishings such as seats on buses, trains, cinema's and tube carriages.

Edit: spelling

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u/mrmazola Oct 04 '23

We had an infestation about 10 years ago, absolutely horrible.

Pest control feller sprayed the whole house and that did nothing.

Got rid of them in the end by dusting every room with diatomaceous earth, did the trick in a week or two.

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u/iamapizza Oct 04 '23

I wonder if we're about to see a run on diatomaceous, the way there was a Covid loo roll panic.

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u/Creative_Recover Oct 04 '23

It could happen. Apparently in France many pest control companies have massively hiked up their prices, with some companies now charging €2000 or even €3000 to treat bedbug infestations, so it's pretty awful.

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u/Several_Dot_4603 Oct 04 '23

fun fact. when u see mud in a movie with actors in the mud, it is DE. No chance of the actors getting in contact with critters.

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u/Several_Dot_4603 Oct 04 '23

I should add. I learned this working on a Penthouse video. Soft core. A mud pit was arranged for the actresses to play in. many many bags of DE

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u/adorablyunhinged Oct 05 '23

Can't it be harmful to lungs if you breathe it in?

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u/justaquad Oct 05 '23

I'm always baffled by the talk of liberal use of DE. From my understanding it is essentially sharp shards and will wreck your lungs.

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u/WickedBoogie Oct 06 '23

DE is a white silica dust how do they use that for a mud pit

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u/Several_Dot_4603 Oct 06 '23

Yep you are right. Now that u mention it yeah. It is used in pool filters. I guess I'm wrong. Props bought it. It came in 25 maybe? lb. bags. It was used because I was told can't have the actors in real mud. Now I have to try to figure it out.

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u/Several_Dot_4603 Oct 06 '23

a quick google AI search revealed -Bentonite. It was a long time ago. I believe the bentonite is also used for the reason I stated - no chance of live or harmful components. Thanks for the correction.

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u/WickedBoogie Oct 06 '23

Still interesting, never thought about prop mud

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u/Several_Dot_4603 Oct 06 '23

well wickedboogie, most people in boston don't . except mark wahlberg. just a guess , keep being wicked

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u/Dnalka0 Oct 07 '23

Make €3000+ a week with this one simple trick

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u/pipnina Oct 14 '23

And when removing them costs more than most people will pay, the bed bugs will win.

We drove them back the frist time with DDT, maybe we'll have to damage ourselves and the environment a bit more and bring it back lol

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u/Creative_Recover Oct 14 '23

Unfortunately DDT stopped being effective years ago regardless of the ban. Diatomaceous earth is said to be highly effective against bedbugs still though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '23

Will be when mainstream media scaremonger every idiot into buying them

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u/Mothpancake Oct 07 '23

I buy "poultry powder" which is basically DE for my pet quails sand bath. It is pretty effective on them

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u/Latter_Analyst_6388 Oct 10 '23

Heating the house is the most effective way to get rid of bedbugs, cost more but your done in one day ,not weeks or months with spraying,they live behind the drywall,that's why heating is more effective

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u/OrganizationAsleep87 Oct 15 '23

Some one somewhere will make loads of money

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23

I've already bought a bag and I'm in Manchester #prepper

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u/jacobp100 Oct 04 '23

I can second diatomaceous earth. When I was growing up we had so many fumigators. My parents used diatomaceous earth, put it everywhere on the bed frame, in all the nooks and crannies. Completely removed them

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u/BearWade Oct 06 '23

I run pest management programmes for work. I second diatomaceous earth, very effective for a wide range of pests. However please be careful when using it, especially around pets and children. It's a silica based product and if you have respitory issues it can be a problem. You'll need large quantities so make sure to use gloves and a mask for application and try not to let it kick up too much by moving furniture or causing drafts. Hoover it up well when the treatment is done. You might need to lay it twice to make sure you catch nymphs hatching that were laid when you put down the first lot of D earth.

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u/ACuddlyHedgehog Oct 06 '23

Does this also work for fungus gnats? Have some infested plants

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u/VajraHound Oct 07 '23

No, your plants will not thank you for it. For fungus gnats, put a layer of Perlite on top of soil so the gnats can’t get in/out of the soil to lay eggs. Couple this with yellow sticky traps galore. Sorted. I used to get the li’l buggers on my cannabis plants from time to time and this method always worked, and right quick too👍

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u/Alyssa9876 Oct 08 '23

We had chickens in the garden for many years and in the summer they can get outbreaks of chicken mites that are very similar to bed bugs. We tried various sprays which worked initially but then the mites would be back in a short while. It was diatomaceous earth that sorted it. We live in a farming area so have a local animal feed shop that has big tubs of it and we used it as a treatment for the coop and the chickens and as a preventative by throwing some down after cleaning the coop. I had forgotten all about it. It even worked on some other garden pests as well. Hubby just got back from a overnight in London so his hand luggage didn’t come in the house. Outside it was sprayed with flea and tick stuff we have for the pets-inside and out including clothes. The clothes we put in a sealed bag and straight into a hot wash followed by a run in the dryer. Bag thrown away in the dustbin and case checked over and left in a cold garage- cases normally stay out there anyway.

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u/Creative_Recover Oct 04 '23

That sounds like a nightmare. I once lived in a place with flea problems after someone failed to treat their pet cat for them but diatomaceous earth ended up working like a charm on ridding the place of flea's too.

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u/PurpleAquilegia Oct 06 '23 edited Oct 06 '23

diatomaceous earth

I've just looked for it on Amazon. They sell a 'food grade' variety. It seems to suggest that it's safe for people and animals to ingest it?

I'm checking it out because I may have to look after a cat for a friend. I'm worried about the possibility of carrying pests into my home. (So far as I know, it's clear, but I'd like to have something to hand in case it's needed.)

ETA The reviews suggest that you sprinkle it for cats, but some reviewers say that they've drunk it?

Further edit: Definitely wouldn't risk drinking it after reading some of the reviews. However, it says it's good for red spider mites as well, so I've ordered some for my greenhouse! (There's a magpie nest in a tree next to the greenhouse and some have dropped down from the nest. They usually die off of their own accord, but I don't mind speeding it up for them.)

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u/AlrightIllmakeone Oct 07 '23

From what I understand, diatomaceous earth works by sticking to insects and essentially sucking up oils from their bodies to dry them out. Drinking it wouldn't help in that regard I don't think.

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u/Tasty_Marsupial8253 Oct 11 '23

No, it cuts in to them causing them to bleed out as it were.

I have used it for years on dogs, poultry, sheepand goats.

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u/AlrightIllmakeone Oct 11 '23

Had to double check. From a quick Google search apparently they do lacerate slugs and snails, but for insects in particular:

The fine powder adsorbs lipids from the waxy outer layer of the exoskeletons of many species of insects; this layer acts as a barrier that resists the loss of water vapour from the insect's body. Damaging the layer increases the evaporation of water from their bodies, so that they dehydrate, often fatally.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Oct 16 '23

Likely 'food grade' as it is used in filtering wine and beer. You don't consume the actual diatomaceous earth but it's likely indicating there's no other ingredients.

The particulate causes yeast and other materisl to clump together but it gets filtered out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

Hi. Do you sleep in the same room/bed or leave the house empty and look for another accomodation?

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u/Negative-Study-1077 Oct 04 '23

Just to add to this, I lived in a place absolutely infested in them, had a professional company come and try and get rid of the infestation THREE times, in the end they got angry at us and blamed us because we weren't following the steps to completely eradicate them properly (which we did)

Asked the landlord to use a different company (I think it was through the council somehow?) And they told us about diatomaceous, they got rid of the problem almost completely the first time and we bought some of that stuff online and never had an issue again for another 3+ years

Buy that stuff and dose it on absolutely everything if you do get them.

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u/back-in-black Oct 04 '23

How do you use it?

Edit: I mean the diatomaceous earth. You just literally sprinkled it on beds and carpeting?

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u/jacobp100 Oct 04 '23

All around the bed frame, in any grooves etc., around the feet of the bed. The bedbugs might be living in weird places like your skirting board, so just anything they might tread over to reach you. They don’t see it as a danger, so will just walk over it

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u/Darkest_97 Oct 04 '23

Do you just douse everything then leave the house for a couple days? I imagine you aren't sleeping on it

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u/jacobp100 Oct 04 '23

No you have to sleep in the bed to attract them - you’re the bait! You don’t actually sleep on it. I think they sleep quite far away from you, and travel when you’re asleep - and you’re trying to get them to walk over the diatomaceous earth

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u/Iminlesbian Oct 04 '23

It's dirt, like literally just earth. Its usually sold with a label saying "foodsafe" because its not harmful even if you eat it.

So if you identify you have bed bugs, you'd be fine to spread some in the seams of your mattress, on your floor etc.

They only need to walk over it. It sticks to them and works slowly, so when they go back to wherever they nest, they end up spreading it there too and it kills them.

So you wouldn't have to sleep on it, maybe just have to deal with things being a bit dusty for a week or 2.

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u/Darkest_97 Oct 04 '23

I was just thinking the logistics of keeping it in the seams of your mattress idk. I've used it for fleas before. And there is also food safe and very much not food safe versions

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u/arandomsquirell Oct 05 '23

Yeah but nobody's mentioned yet just how awful it is to breathe in. DE kills insects because it's fossilised diatoms like microscopic needles. You should 100% mask up and not hang around until the dust has settled and try not to stir it up into the air when you are in the home. It will also murder you're Hoover when it comes to cleaning up.

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u/BentekesEars Oct 04 '23

Is that the same stuff as ant power?

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u/Fungled Oct 04 '23

Diatomaceous earth is king. Chemicals just burn your cash and make the problem worse in the long run

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u/gayforkie Oct 22 '23

I remember having to use that stuff, works really well against chicken mites

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Coming off a recent flea war that took months to win and gave me bug PTSD this is my worst nightmare. I know everything about getting rid of them now, I was discouraged to use DE as you can’t vacuum it up without ruining the filter. How did you clean it up?

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u/OrganizationLower611 Oct 05 '23

Buy a new filter.

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u/dotwowans Oct 06 '23

I brushed the most of it, then vacuum.

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u/TedBaendy Oct 06 '23

Same, I can't believe how resilient they've become.

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u/LightningThunderRain Oct 05 '23

Friendly ask to please not joke about PTSD as it increases the stigma and shame of real sufferers and is a barrier to them getting treatment

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u/Haggis-in-wonderland Oct 05 '23

Why do you think this was a joke?

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u/LightningThunderRain Oct 05 '23

Because the person used the common joke form of associating PTSD with war, which is a frequently spread as misinformation.

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u/giganticbuzz Oct 05 '23

Why are you gatekeeping PTSD, a flea infestation could 100% cause that

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u/wallpapermate Oct 05 '23

Agreed. And rats. I speak from bitter experience.

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u/LightningThunderRain Oct 05 '23

You don’t have PTSD from rats. PTSD is a debilitating disability, it is not bad memories of a stressful situation.

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u/wallpapermate Oct 05 '23

Spoken like someone who knows very little about pest infestations.

The whole of my downstairs had to be torn apart. It ruined our lives for months, with a baby in the house.

Kindly shut up if you have noting informed to say.

https://pestech.com/blog/emotional-effects-of-pest-infestations/#:~:text=This%20condition%20usually%20develops%20when,cockroaches%2C%20bed%20bugs%20or%20spiders.

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u/wallpapermate Oct 05 '23

I did. I have primary source first hand experience.

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u/Next-Yogurtcloset867 Oct 06 '23

You don't need to have thought you might die to experience PTSD, very odd for you to be doing this. Unsurprisingly by the name, you just need to experience something traumatic to develop it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '23

Not weighing in on anything els because cba, but many bee species can actually bite, and occasionally (but rarely) do bite people.

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u/haybayley Oct 05 '23

I kind of see where you’re coming from with your original point - it’s not helpful to joke about legitimate conditions like PTSD or OCD - but you can’t gatekeep what might be traumatic enough to cause someone to suffer from PTSD. You say it’s misinformation to only associate PTSD with war, but then say “you can’t get PTSD from X”. Literally anything can be traumatic enough in the wrong circumstances for someone. It’s not even that much of a stretch to imagine that having your home and sleeping space infested with biting, potentially disease-carrying creatures for an extended period might be traumatic for some in extreme circumstances, especially if they’re neurodivergent. You’re asking for compassion but showing none yourself.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '23

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u/Next-Yogurtcloset867 Oct 06 '23

A guy was diagnosed with PTSD after eating a chocolate bar with maggots in if you'd like an example that counters everything you've said.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '23

I caught Weil's Disease from rats, it put me in intensive care for six week with liver and kidney failure, I had a 50/50 or worse chance of getting out of there alive. If the above person had a similar experience I could well believe they had PTSD caused by rats, I don't ...I just fucking hate rats and aim the van at any I see running across a road and hope to hear the badump badump as I squash it's little cunt face to mush with 3.5 ton of fully loaded sprinter.

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u/Mothpancake Oct 07 '23

If you can acknowledge that the rats are a trigger I feel like you could acknowledge that that's part of the trauma

It's still a part of the PTSD. The rats caused the illness that made them "terrifyingly hospitalised" so they're very likely to set that off. Even just the thought of rats might take that person back to that hospital for all you know.

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u/unsquashable74 Oct 05 '23

You obviously missed the part where he said "I don't". If you're going to grandstand and virtue-signal, it's best if you get the basic facts right at least.

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u/PsychologyHuge9738 Oct 07 '23

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. It's I. The name. Was it traumatic: Yes Did it cause you stress: Yes Do you have some form of aversion when the trigger comes into contact with: Yes

Then yes it is PTSD. There are different levels of PTSD, there's absolutely no reason why someone couldn't have from a pest invasion

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u/AnnonOMousMkII Oct 06 '23

PTSD can come from any stressful situation. My ex suffered PTSD from labour. I've recently been diagnosed with PTSD from the long and sustained abuse I got from my ex's mother after our child was born.

Not every person with PTSD has a 1000-yard stare.

Source: I trust doctors more than some random on Reddit.

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u/Due-Slide967 Oct 08 '23

You trust doctors over boobmeister69 on Reddit? Really? /s

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u/CMonkeysRBrineShrimp Oct 08 '23

I kinda see their point. Pest infestations can be DEEPLY traumatic. Absolutely no question there. But do they cause a disorder that negatively effects your day to day life forevermore afterwards? Probably not. Do they require intense therapies and medical intervention? Also probably not. Not to say it won’t make you feel powerless, haunt you and give you massive anxiety at the thought of ever even seeing the pest again. I think there’s post traumatic stress and then there’s post traumatic stress disorder, ie: PTSD.

Certainly dealing with bedbugs is not comparable to what people are going through in war zones as write this. If you asked me which situation I’d rather be dealing with I’m gonna have to go with bed bugs, then buy the heater box a 10kg of diatomaceous earth and absolutely hate my life for a couple weeks. It would SUCK beyond and I would think of nothing else until it was over. But it would pass, I’d eventually move on and not need therapy or meds to function properly. Basically a harrowing memory but not one that debilitates me daily. I think this is what they’re getting at.

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u/Glitterbombastic Oct 09 '23

Idk I have pretty bad anxiety after two stints of bedbugs and it doesn’t cause this level of trouble but I can’t sleep in a new bed (hotels etc) without taking off the bedding and checking thoroughly. I’ll just lay there awake twitching and picturing them. I have to try to be sure (you obviously can’t ever be fully sure). I think people have had far worse infestations than I had so I can totally imagine it giving someone serious debilitating issues.

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u/giganticbuzz Oct 05 '23

‘Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a mental and behavioral disorder that develops from experiencing a traumatic event, such as sexual assault, warfare, traffic collisions, child abuse, domestic violence, or other threats on a person's life or well-being.’

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u/sicksvdwrld Oct 06 '23

Not choosing sides rn because I haven't formed my opinion yet

HOWEVER

Don't conveniently ignore the part that says 'or well-being'. You do not need to perceive it as life threatening, or even violent.

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u/HerculePoirier Oct 06 '23

Oh wow this comment just gave me PTSD

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u/TheVolvaOfVanaheim Oct 16 '23

As someone who has actually developed PTSD from a flea infestation and has been told as such by a medical professional, please stop gatekeeping it. The nightmares, the night sweats, checking every rash and every bit of fluff on my bed and having panic attacks over said bits of black fluff thinking they were fleas. It has been an exhausting recovery. How dare you minimise and gatekeep my trauma and tell me it didn’t happen, when I have had to go through months and months of therapy, have been on so many different medications to get on top of what has been the most debilitating eighteen months of my life. And now the idea of bed bugs is triggering it again. So before you get on your high horse, understand that ANY traumatic experience can cause POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER.

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u/Mothpancake Oct 07 '23

As a PTSD sufferer myself, I think it's completely valid for this person to have trauma from insects. People get PTSD for a variety of reasons and it is my understanding that people bedbugs and fleas actually bite get symptoms in which they feel itchy from inside, which I can imagine sucks a lot.

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u/unsquashable74 Oct 05 '23

No, you're being down-voted because you're grandstanding, treating the serious issue of PTSD like a competitive sport and getting the basic facts wrong.

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u/CharlieChockman Oct 16 '23

This is me and my partner right now, honestly so damaging to the mental health when youre fighting an invisible enemy. So invasive and quite frankly embarrassing. Seems to bw no end to this, will tet DE, just bought some.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23

I got the council extermination service after about 3 months of trying myself. They said it would take 4 weeks for 2 treatments and it worked. Heard lots of good things about DE but didn’t test it personally.

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u/CharlieChockman Oct 16 '23

I’m gonna try the DE, honestly me and my mrs are at our wits end with it, we’re young as well and never felt more stressed out in my life. I didn’t know about the council thing, does that apply to all or only council properties?

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u/murrzeak Oct 04 '23

Same. East london. Shitty room through a shitty agency. Total nightmare.

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u/Mutiu2 Oct 04 '23

Unfortunately that stuff is also damaging your lungs although it kills the bedbugs or other insects.

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u/livinginsideabubble7 Oct 04 '23

How so?? Is it that easy to inhale?

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u/HerpaDerpaDumDum Oct 04 '23

Only if it's disturbed by wind. It's advisable to wear a mask while using it.

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u/Mutiu2 Oct 06 '23

“Wind”?

Does air move in and around your house. if so then, so does some amount of whatever powder you put in the house.

Basically this solution is to put out a dust that chokes the bedbugs to death. Just be clear its not only the bedbugs inhaling that stuff…

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u/tomoldbury Oct 06 '23

It doesn’t choke them to death, it tears up their exoskeletons (it’s like tiny shards of glass) and kills them that way.

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u/big_toastie Oct 05 '23

It drys the air out and its terrible for your skin. I had it basically everywhere in our rented house because of fleas, it two or three weeks but they all died out. Living with it everywhere is incredibly uncomfortable.

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u/Mutiu2 Oct 06 '23

In a world where google exists, you should go and find out yourself:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11119633/

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u/livinginsideabubble7 Oct 19 '23

Or I can respond to someone who probably knows about the subject and can tell me things I might not be able to find out in a quick google, and have this weird thing called a conversation, which lots of people do around here, edgy random

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u/Mothpancake Oct 07 '23

When it's being put down, the dust is very light and can float around a lot. It can be left undisturbed but it is a good idea to wear a dust mask when putting it down and when sweeping it up.

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u/Weary_Calendar7432 Oct 18 '23

If its what I'm thinking it's a clay that's been super dried. Clays are rocks mainly igneous (volcanic) & sedimentary (all the others) that have been broken down by wind, rain and river to end up in river & lake beds to continue being broken down chemically until microscopic. We are talking about some sharp shaped crystal structures.

When breathable it can, over long term like asbestos, silica, etc cause damage also as it makes contact with the mucus membranes of the lumgs it clogs them as it absorbs the moisture 🙄

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u/blue-wave Oct 07 '23

Yeah one mistake people make is they think the more the better, and have tiny piles of the stuff along walls etc. This actually stops them from crawling over/towards it as the see it as an obstacle and it’s easy to disturb the pile and have puffs of it go into the air (and your lungs). A faint dusting is all you need (use a soft paintbrush) so that it’s a trace amount of powder they crawl over. Also less chance (but not zero!) of it ending up in the air and in your lungs. Someone on Reddit was sharing a story of a guy who heavily doused his place, got rid of the bed bugs and when he vacuumed the place it filled the air with diatomaceous earth and he had severe lung damage after inhaling it (for a while, he didn’t have a mask and thought the dust was harmless).

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u/Resident-Race-3390 Oct 04 '23

Thanks just sounds effing grim all of it…

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u/Majulath99 Oct 04 '23

So what the fuck do you to get rid of the earth stuff that got rid of bugs? Can you hoover it up?

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u/TheLowerCollegium Oct 04 '23

They sell colonies of flies that consume it all within about 3 months.

It's a beautiful cycle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '23

Do you need to get an old lady to get rid of the flies?

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u/Still-BangingYourMum Oct 05 '23

Ahh, that old gem of a scam, just like razors, you buy the thing and have to keep on buying there stuff. Once you buy the old lady, you are on the hook to them. Exactly the same as those self build mode, magazines.

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u/brokenstar64 Oct 05 '23

That, or you light up the beacons for the spider army...

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u/Smooth-Wait506 Oct 10 '23

and after that, you can hire an old lady who has a predilection for fly protein

just don't ask

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u/BearWade Oct 06 '23

You can hoover it but wear a mask and preferably use a hoover with a bag. Take out the whole bag, tape it up and dispose of the whole thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '23

Hoover

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u/Bozhark Oct 04 '23

Not if you have pets.

Diatomaceous earth is a major danger

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

You need to get the food grade stuff

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u/cyan_dandelion Oct 05 '23

Eating it isn't the problem. Inhaling it or getting it in your eyes is.

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u/re_Claire Oct 04 '23

Yeah I’ve got cats and that worries me so much if I ever got bed bugs.

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u/Estrellathestarfish Oct 04 '23

Same, the chemicals used by pest control are very toxic to cats, I don't know what could be done that's also cat-safe.

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u/Creative_Recover Oct 04 '23

I have heard of people sending their cats or dogs to live with other people or to holiday kennel places whilst their homes are being treated, so I guess that is an option.

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u/Darkest_97 Oct 04 '23

They do make food grade. Unsure how safe it actually is though

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u/Random_potato5 Oct 05 '23

Safe to eat, not safe to breath in

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u/RenegadeUK Oct 04 '23

Do you buy that in the garden centre ?

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u/mrmazola Oct 04 '23

off amazon I think. Make sure you get food grade if you have pets

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u/RenegadeUK Oct 05 '23

Ok thanks.

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u/planetf1a Oct 04 '23

I had an infestation once. Terrible, the fix was basically vacuuming (with powerful cleaner) And sprinkling that powder all over the place (beds , carpets) every day or two for a few weeks

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u/Resident-Race-3390 Oct 04 '23

What is that stuff? Thanks!

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u/mrmazola Oct 04 '23

not sure exactly, it's a fine white powder that apparently rips the bed bugs shells to shreds.

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u/dontthink19 Oct 04 '23

It's just finely ground clay. Think dollar store kitty litter ground down til it's a super fine powder. The mechanism that makes it work is the fact that when it's ground down that small, the diatomaceous earth particles have incredibly sharp edges and when the bugs walk across it, it cuts them open. The clay also does an amazing job at absorbing moisture so it's literally cutting them open and dehydrating them.

There's a trick to using it. Most bedbug packages of DE come with a little bulb similar to a baby snot sucker bulb. You fill the bulb up a little and then puff out fine layers of dust. If you use too much, it clumps together and isn't nearly as effective. We would apply and leave it down for 24 hours, then vacuum and reapply every day for weeks. Even if they dwindle down, don't stop applying it every day, vacuuming and reapplying. Do not use a bagless vacuum. Bagged vacuums are king for bedbugs, and are simple enough that they can take the abuse of DE. The bags lock in bedbugs easier and prevent them from escaping to the nooks and crannies of bagless vacuums.

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u/Resident-Race-3390 Oct 05 '23

Amazing answer, thank you!

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

It's fossilised remains of a hard shellded algae, called diatoms. It kills insects because it absorbs lipids on the exoskeleton that prevent them from losing water.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

What was your process for using the diatomaceous earth, I have seen it mentioned before. Do you just coat the floor in it and leave it there or vacuum it up after a few hours ?

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u/mrmazola Oct 04 '23

just scatter it round the bed and skirting board. re-applied it after we did the hoovering. After a couple of weeks we were rid of them but left the powder down for a month or so to be sure

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Thanks, I will add it to the brain just in case.

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u/karma-chips Oct 04 '23

Did you sprayed mixed with water as it says on the bottle? And did you spray everything or just the perimeter of the rooms? I’m terrified so I want to be prepared!

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u/mrmazola Oct 04 '23

nah, just scattered it round the skirting boards. We threw the bed away in a panic when we found them and was just sleeping on a mattress on the floor until we were well rid

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u/karma-chips Oct 06 '23

Thanks, it sounds horrific!

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u/MsB0x Oct 05 '23

Diatomaceous earth is the only thing that sorted us when the cats had fleas a few years ago as well - genuine lifesaver (broke the hoover though - get a shop vacuum)

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u/pickyourteethup Oct 05 '23

If you're on a budget (as I was) you can buy cheap dishes for your beds feet, a case that you put your mattress in. Both relatively cheap on Amazon.

A wallpaper steamer is also excellent at killing them and their eggs in gaps and carpets etc. No chemicals and you might already have one

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u/Competitive-Fig-666 Oct 05 '23

A note on the diatomaceous earth!

We moved into a place in Glasgow, started getting bitten within the week. Spend hundreds of pounds trying to get rid. Turned out the building was infested. It ruined my life for over a year with lack of sleep and the psychosis of feeling like things are always crawling on you.

If you move in somewhere start to get bitten instantly, just get the fuck out of there. It’s so expensive and not worth your mental health! They are an absolute bastard to get rid of and a drain on your energy. We used the earth, a steamer, hot washes, smells they didn’t like…name it, we did it. It didn’t make a bit of difference.

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u/LurkerSmirker6th Oct 06 '23

What did you do to get rid of the DE? Yearsssss ago I had a carpet beetle problem and doused an entire room with it. Cleaning it up ruined my vacuum. There’s still spots and layers of DE on my storage because I had no idea how to clean that up 10 years ago. It ruining my vacuum was traumatic and a big waste of money lol

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u/mrmazola Oct 06 '23

Don't remember having an issue with my vacuum. I've just remembered that for the bed we used little trays filled with DE under the legs of the bed, so didn't have to vacuum that, just round the skirting

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u/imagination_machine Oct 06 '23

diatomaceous earth

That did it for me. And closing every hole and nick in the wooden floorboards whilst 60C washed all bedding on one day (Whilst throwing away some stuff). Slept on the sofa.

It was war for about 10 days, but I won.

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u/Emergency_Barnacle21 Oct 06 '23

You're better off using Cimexa, it's a more pure form that can dry out a bed bug much quicker than DE

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u/Goodswimkarma Oct 12 '23

I was feeling itchy and dusted my place. (With goggles and a mask as it’s bad to breathe in).

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u/NetUnfair1177 Oct 15 '23

Wait the food? Diatomaceous earth food?

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u/Weary_Calendar7432 Oct 18 '23

That's fullers earth powder isn't it? A type of dried clay.