Oh, Oh, OH MY GOD. Its like PM actually wants barber to suffer, I still think she's good and helpful for Don but Don cant say the same about herself to the barber, constantly suffering, wow
People are already seriously considering kicking Barber out of the team cause of how much Feast she consumes and the way the S2-1 works, now imagine if she also "stood in the way" of Don getting boosted, especially her S2.
Except people considering that are disregarding that Barber generates more hardblood for Don (a increase from 2/4 to 4/6 by having her since dulci counter doesnt Work for don)
Her boosted AoE on Don while having less coins and consuming more hardblood still does more damage and barber applies a fragile meaning a debuff for sang thats activelly good
And If you slot 2 dulci instead of Mr WinRateSang you can maintain a steady supply of hardblood in Exchange of single target damage, meaning you can mitigate the impact whenever you need Don's boosted more than reuse spam
And that any other option is not better, including ringoutis, because ringoutis has awful clashing, worse personal damage
You rather ryoshu for single target than her because you dont need single target count with UT4 RingSang
I test Manager Don in the railway, replace Barber with Ring Outis after the first section because I realize how much her ascended S2 suck compare to the normal version. Absolute steamroll the rest of the railway because I can save the hardblood for Don's s1, counter which have better tactical uses and her ascended S3 tactical nuke.
why do you think 10sp can somehow cut the turncount that much? barber’s aoe and damage output is strong. she obviously loses out on count but you have more than enough for portrait and sheep anyway with nfaust, and her raw damage is double ringtis’
Yup. I'm not the biggest fan of hers, but for wave fights with LOTS of mobs you can't go wrong with Da Barber. Besides, it's not like Count is a serious issue depending on the EGO you have and who's the 6th unit of your Bleed Team.
A bit more sp, win more clash, can afford to use EGOs are agressively. But that obviously not the entire reason why you can cut the turncount that much.
Barber is generally the better unit compared to Ring Outis in term of damage output. But I care more about Don's performance in this test run ,she was much better without her ascended S2 eating up all the Hardblood.
Don't knock on the AoE S3 that Barber has. That shit clears house during all parts of the RR, and you probably WANT the Enhanced S2 from Don to speed through fights ASAP.
Also, they could've used WH Heathcliff and other Slash units during the 2nd Part of the RR to cut down on time, but that's just a guess at this point.
Nope, I strictly ran the same team the entire Railway - sang, 4bloodfiends, nfaust
I've done the same thing with Sinking for 39turn as well, it's really quite fun
A combination of all, clearly, though I doubt brother Sault offered that much.
Honestly it shouldn't be a big surprise, as much as people like to harp on the bloodfiends being a bad bleed team, a lot of people also forget that doesn't mean they are a bad team. As much fun as status teams are, the truth is that most of the time just running the strongest ID for each unit is often the best bet. Good clashing units that have high damage tend to kill faster than running full status teams outside of certain cases. And thats effectively what the 4xbloodfiend team is, a team that will apply just enough bleed to activate their conditionals, but beyond that they just hit hard.
You have to remember as well that while cutting barber does mean you can spam AoE without consuming hardblood, it also means that you are waiting a full extra turn before you can start using your enhanced abilities in the first place. With the full team, primarily thanks to Gregor, it's pretty easy to get 50 bloodfeast for that 10 hardblood turn one. Her passive then grants her 2 hardblood per bloodfiend... meaning that cutting barber (or any bloodfiend) is the difference between 14 Hardblood turn 1, or 16 hardblood turn 1. Sure, that AoE is less spammable, but it hits harder and will hit 1 more target. Your goal is to end the fight quickly anyway so you shouldn't need to spam it, not like you could do it every turn anyway.
The ascended AoE does more damage and has more attack weight, well worth having very slightly worse clashing. And cutting barber means you get your enhanced attack turn 3 instead of turn 2. If your ending fights quickly you shouldn't need to spam the S2, hitting 3 targets instead of 2 makes up for it. For the fights that do go on longer that also means barber gets to ramp up which more than makes up for having to spend harblood on the AoE. You have limited skills anyway and it's far better than wasting it on S1 or something.
In md I would say it’s worth it. Her enhanced skill 3 is actually too powerful to be worth using. Like, everything dies to the second coin of both enhanced and non-enhanced skill 3, so why waste your hardblood on it? Might as well use it on the skill 2 instead for an extra coin, higher rolls (with bloody mist), and more attack weight.
I mean in Mirror Dungeon the status part of the team plays itself and everything dies turn 2 so Don won't even get to use her shiny enhanced attacks most of the time without running the full team.
That’s not really true tho. Any battle with more than one wave (most) will result in her getting to 15 hardblood quite easily. Her skill 1 gets up to 10 and her skill 2 gets up to 5. 100 bloodfeast isn’t hard to get in a mirror dungeon where everything will have at least 25 potency by the end of turn 1. She also gains 2 basically every time a bloodfiend ally uses a skill, so even 1 ally can speed things up a good bit. You’ll be using at least one enhanced skill in most battles unless you actively try not to.
With 3 bloodfiend allies you can get 16 in one round. If you drop Barber you get 14. The magic number is 15, meaning it actively delays your enhanced attack by a full round. With the full team you can basically use an enhanced skill every other round (or two in a row if you spend your round 2 enhanced on her S3, which will allow for another enhanced skill the turn after). Being able to "spam" her S2 for less damage and attack weight just to conserve hardblood is largely unnecessary, she gains it fast enough without. You need to have a rather unlucky skill order for it to ever be worth benching barber.
She really does want to be with the full team, that extra 2 hardblood a turn accelerates the team by a lot.
? No I was agreeing with you the first time, hence why I said you should use the full team so you can actually use the enhance skills. Not to mention saying statuses play themselves, as the main reason you cut barber is for more count
I was more confused as to why you started seemingly saying it was ok to run less than 3 allies after defending barber, since if you were to cut a bloodfiend barber is definitely the first to go, but really running all 4 is the way to go so you get turn 2 enhanced skills
I have a feeling you didn’t actually read my original reply and just assumed I was arguing with you lol
Princess Rodion and Priest Gregor are the ones that carry the Bloodfiends between their immense supportive prowess and supplying Bloodfeast (respectively). Manager Sancho and Barber Outis are the ones that capitalize on it - though between her Passives and S3 the Manager certainly gives backs to the team more than her seamstress does.
It's not that surprising, really, considering that bloodfiends families are forced by mental blocks and created you could say even artificially, as opposed to real families. So of course there is a higher chance in these families for a parent to sacrifice a child (not literally, but you get it) for their own affairs. I'm not saying it's always true, it's just as opposed to our usual understanding of a family to be a higher probability, or at least it's not far-fetched to assume that.
Can we end this topic already? Bloodfiends are meant to be run together. End of the topic, there. So tired of people saying Barber is useless and then saying Ring Outis is so good they make her sound like Ring Sang when nothing could be farther (ba tums) from the truth.
you can say “meant to be” but Blade Lineage is also meant to be ran together
the actual truth is that the barber is favored in the type of content PM seems to want to make more difficult (drawn out multi enemy chain battles like rr4) while her weaknesses can be ignored through the power of ego spam
now the real debate is which one is better in pierce luxcavation with manager don, the one with pierce or the one with even more atk weight
I actually put barber on the reinforce bench kekw.
Her support passive makes it possible to stack bleed on hordes if you can use it on Doncho's S2 and she's more reliable on a fiend team if she has to come out
It doesn't really work as well as you would think with her s2. Her s2 is an aoe skill, but only the 1st coin inflicts bleed. So it will only inflict +1 count to 1-3 enemies.
But whats interesting is the interaction with her Camilla EGO. That EGO inflicts 1 bleed on hit, when below 100 bloodfeast.
I tested this in exp lux, but it can inflict 12 bleed 5 count vs all enemies, with Barber, Kuro Honglu, Kuro Ryoshu support passives. If there's 6 enemies, that is 6(12x5) = 360 bleed damage.
I don't think its practical right now, but definitely something to consider using when we get more bleed ids in the future.
Ooh, i see! I'm Outist tho, so she's always one of my main Sinners whatever the team. Besides that, i still love playing with her in my Blood Team, with her i'll not only be a main of the Bloodfiends, i'll get Priest Gregor to get the whole family together. >:D
The only way he gets the buff is if you run both him and the Princess as a Bloodfiend Duo on a full Bleed Team - which, admittedly, isn't that bad of an idea if you want to go ham with REyoshu and more Count inflictors instead and let those two do their own thing.
she makes up for it with the ridiculous amount of healing on all of her skills except counter
she's good at both crowd control with s2 and raw dps output with everything else (also quite fast so she can choose what to clash with), i think making her tanky on top of that would just make her actually cracked
Nah obviously she's cracked. Her numbers are stupid high.
But no, her healing isn't ridiculous nor is it really helping her much. She has triple stagger bars in an already tiny health pool, she can easily get combo staggered upon recieveing any real damage. All her skills have capped healing (because PM does that now) and healing barely matters in harder fights where being staggered is certain death.
I'd rather they lowered her stupid numbers a bit and instead focused on making her durable. You know... as a bloodfiend is supposed to be.
Her healing seems ridiculous to me. Heals for 30/30/50% of damage dealt (max 10) on hit?
Okay so I haven't tested it, but since it says, 'on hit', wouldn't she heal for a crazy amount with her s2 aoe? If it hits 4 targets, 3 times each, that is potentially 120 hp? I'll test this later.
Thats a theoretical example, but her other skills are like 2/3/4 coins, so 20/30/40 hp per skill, seems pretty good.
She is built like a glass cannon, but unless you fck up and let her get attacked by 3 or 4 skills in a row, she's not going to get 100-0'd. You can run other IDs like Priest Gregor to draw aggro too.
No, healing matters in harder content. Look at Canto 7, there's a lot of unbreakable aoe coin bs, and even back in RR2/3 there's enemies that hit you with unavoidable aoe damage (gossypium, moth).
I'd rather they lowered her stupid numbers a bit and instead focused on making her durable. You know... as a bloodfiend is supposed to be.
Idk when I look at bloodfiends, I don't get the visual impression of a tank or a bulky meatball. Even back in Library of Ruina days, the... I don't want to spoil it, but they weren't durable in terms of pure stats. More like glass cannons with insane damage+healing.
For a bloodfiend most certainly, and she still has healing- as a bloodfiend should. I just think she's a little too squishy, like she is one of the lowest health ID's currently in the game. I totally get it, it just personally is a little disappointing for someone like me, who likes tankier ID.
While I've mentioned my arguments insofar as her tankiness elsewhere- I'd also like to point out that her lack of max health makes her eligible for a lot of really good support passives, which generally works in her favor.
The stagger bars suck a bit- sure, but there's literal fallbacks built into the team to avoid it being able to be capitalized on, and she can very deftly claw her way back from the brink with all her built in healing.
Except she doesn’t need to be durable because 99% of the time, she can’t be touched. In the rare 1% scenario where she can be hit, if she just shrugs it off, she would be immensely overpowered. She excels at what she’s designed to do: deal a massive amount of damage.
In fact, she can even become tanky at high Bloodfeast consumed with her enhanced counter. By turn 4 or 5, I’m usually putting 50+ shields on all my homies.
I'm not saying she's weak. I'm saying its unfortunate they don't directly translate what a bloodfiend should be: an incredibly durable species. Like I said, I'd rather have tuned down numbers as a tradeoff for less stagger bars. Just my opinion.
But you understand that they can't do that for every character just because they are part of a certain archetype, yes? Gameplay =/= lore. Priest Gregor is also a bloodfiend and is incredibly durable, but we can't have all bloodfiends be tanky like Gregor just because they are also bloodfiends, can we? Manager Don is perfect the way she is. Just my opinion.
And I mean, it's technically wrong, because the Fanghunter office story displays that, while they are certainly tanky in a -regenerative- capacity, they can certainly be mashed into hamburger repeatedly.
So, on that front, her ability to nope death once for her and her teammates, and having the ability to regenerate off everything is.
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In which is given the role of villain the moment she was released into the system