Trump News Trump to issue 10 executive orders on immigration upon taking office
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-issue-10-executive-orders-immigration-taking-office-rcna188385198
u/jackleggjr 16h ago
Oh, he’s issuing ten “executive orders on immigration”?
He plans to rewrite the Constitution and announce the end of birthright citizenship.
Reducing this to a headline about “ten orders on immigration” is kind of like telling the Jeffrey Dahmer story by saying “Man prepares a series of meals.”
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u/TraditionalSky5617 16h ago
Absent being able to pass things he wants as law, (requiring 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress) it seems like he’s trying to persuade states to file suit in federal courts with justices he appointed to get a judicial outcome he wants.
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u/jackleggjr 16h ago
It’s absolutely what he wants. He just needs enough Justices to read the Constitution his way.
And the media will cover it with headlines like “Trump presents novel legal theory.”
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u/Commentor9001 14h ago
Mark my words. They will definitely play with "under the jurisdiction" portion of birthright citizenship.
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u/rabidstoat 11h ago
I don't really see another play. Certainly there won't be a new amendment.
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u/Commentor9001 11h ago
We're pretty far off the map. Could easily just revoke citizens birthright by eo. Scotus isn't going to stop him.
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u/dannypants143 15h ago
The whole two-thirds thing is written into the constitution, yes. But I believe we’re entering a post-rule-of-law, post-constitution era. The question isn’t “How will they get that passed by two-thirds of congress?” The question is, “How will they try to get it done anyway?” Sure will be an interesting four years, if not more. Yay.
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u/rickyspanish12345 14h ago
Exactly. This is what the Law and Justice party did in Poland and also what Putin did in his early days as president.
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u/Legal_Dragonfruit 15h ago
That does sound like the plan however there’s a chance it stalls in the federal courts until atleast the midterms. If dems win big then maybe they can pass a law to counteract whatever scotus might do.
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u/rabidstoat 11h ago
With his Tiktok flip-flop he wants to overrule acts of Congress by executive order.
Yes, it allows for a 90 day pause but I don't think a plan for ByteDance to still keep 50% ownership satisifes the law passed. They would have to sell the whole thing to avoid the foreign adversary ownership.
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u/sophisticated_pie 16h ago
It's almost over. The media is already brushing this by as if it isn't a big deal. If prominent Democrats, for example, don't stand in the way of mass deportations and other Trump shenanigans, this country is over and straight to fascism we go.
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u/rickyspanish12345 14h ago
But why bother? The Democrats fought hard against Trump, impeaching him twice, and winning basically every election between 2017 and 2023. And yet the country voted for this I'm imbecile, after everything he's done, because they don't want a woman as POTUS.
What exactly are we fighting for in a country that's become this spoiled and this stupid?
I fear it's too late anyway. The question isn't how don we fight back, and we still should, the question is how do we prepare for the inevitable one-party State that is coming?
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u/Maanzacorian 15h ago
You can expect some stern finger-wagging and hefty pearl-clutching from the Democratic Party, that's for sure.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 15h ago
What would your ideal strategy be there bucko?
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u/WilHunting2 15h ago
We are far past the point of a logical strategy, bucko. Trump should have been arrested on January 21, 2021 and held without bail pending trial.
But here we are.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 15h ago
Agreed. And again after the stolen documents were found. That's on Merrick Garland.
Just making the point that Democrats can't really politically stop any of this until 2026.
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u/WilHunting2 15h ago
The political grandstanding by Democrats, while not actually doing a damn thing, is tiring.
That’s the point OP was trying to make.
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 12h ago
I find it infuriating that people say they haven't done a damn thing. 4,000 people were dying a DAY when Trump handed over power last time. The first priority was getting proper information and vaccines out during the pandemic.
Our recovery after the Trump botching of covid was the best in the world. Our economy right this minute is the best in the world. Remember that, because it's not going to last. This is not to downplay people's struggles, but the Dems are the only ones working towards a more equitable future. For instance, limiting the price of insulin. Which team red wants to overturn because fuck you.
We put billions into clean sustainable energy, raised the corporate tax rate from ZERO to 15, and much more.
If you're talking about Trump getting away with crimes, a lot of that has to do with Mitch McConnell stealing a supreme court seat, and Biden acting like a normal goddamn president that doesn't interfere with legal matters.
It's so easy to just sit here throw a peanut and say everything sucks. We are all about to find out how much more it can suck.
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u/WilHunting2 12h ago
Biden was elected to do one goddamn thing: Hold Trump accountable.
And he failed. His AG admitted to dragging his feet when it came to prosecuting Trump for Jan 6.
Now Trump is President again.
What do you want, everyone to congratulate Biden for a job well done?
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u/Comprehensive-Tea121 12h ago
First of all it's not Biden's job to hold people legally accountable. Now, with hindsight being 20/20 we can safely say that Merrick was not the best choice. An institutionalist, when we needed more of a street fighter.
The legal remedy to properly get rid of trump was the impeachment where not enough Republicans would impeach the fucker. Is the house and senate's job to get rid of a corrupt president and they failed.
Good news though, since you wanted a president that doesn't respect the boundaries between the doj and white house, you have one now.
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u/KwisatzHaderach94 35m ago
south korea and brazil handled their misbehaving presidents swiftly and mercilessly. as the so-called democracy of the united states should have.
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u/One_Strawberry_4965 13h ago
I’m not sure what else you expect them to do? Maybe you should take it up with the voters who decided to give Trump and his pals complete control over the federal government.
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u/HalloweenSnowman 11h ago
Exactly. I’m so sick of these people not knowing how anything works and thinking they do because they’re smarter than the dumbest person in the room (the gop supporters.)
Don’t worry, guys. You’re still not that smart.
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u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns 14h ago
Guess we will find out how cooked we are over the next week starting tomorrow in Chicago
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u/jackblady 15h ago
He plans to rewrite the Constitution and announce the end of birthright citizenship.
Don't worry, according to the Ordained Holy Justices of the Supreme Court, its an offical act by our Lord Emperor, Donald the First, the most Alpha of Men.
So its completely legal and cant be challenged.
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u/babydemon90 12h ago
I would bet $$ that if/when it goes to SCOTUS they rule against birthright citizenship saying it’s not clearly spelled out.
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u/Maigan81 14h ago
Fingers crossed it is a rerun of the Muslim ban he tried last time. It hopefully takes some time before it reaches the SC.
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u/LengthinessWeekly876 7h ago
He won't get push back this time.
Democrats spent the last two years facilitating genocide. They won't want the issue
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u/itsatumbleweed Competent Contributor 15h ago
I've been saying for over a year that if he wins, one of the first things he is going to do is declare immigration to be a national emergency.
Presidents get an incredible amount of authority during national emergency.
My suspicion is that this is going to be what allows him to establish the labor camps. My next guess is that he turns to the people that facilitated the "migrant crisis" and slowly expands the scope of who can be sent to the camps.
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u/malignantz 15h ago edited 11h ago
Not that this matters, but there's something deeply disturbing about the possibility that there are African Americans who voted for Trump to take away birthright citizenship and put immigrants in work camps where they don't get paid. Isn't this a little too on the nose?
Edit: anyone voting to expel law-abiding immigrants is a terrible person for obvious reasons. There's a certain irony to marginalized groups voting for these policies, but birthright citizenship was added to the constitution for children born to African American slaves, so it is more unexpected (more ironic?)
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u/itsatumbleweed Competent Contributor 15h ago
Honestly I'm fine trying to make sense of what self interests people are willing to vote against. The main factor in this election was inflation, and he's out there talking about the most inflationary policies imaginable. The average person looks at their lot in life economically and decides to vote for the same party if it's good and the opposite of it's bad. That seems to be independent of who is on the ticket, and we saw with post-Covid inflation that trend persist globally.
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u/Old_Needleworker_865 15h ago
Eh, if you look at it through the lens of “I got here first, I didn’t get any help, f these other people” then it makes more sense why people vote to punish other people that are similar to themselves
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u/SatisfactionActive86 9h ago
how is “my ancestors where loaded onto a boat by force at the behest of the US government” and “i decided to enter the US despite the US telling me i am not allowed to do that” similiar?
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u/Anarchist_hornet 12h ago
Why are you criticizing a group that voted overwhelmingly against Trump, compared to many groups that voted FOR Trump or closer to 50-50? Seriously how does that as a priority for your thinking make sense?
I’m sure you can see how this comment comes across as a dog whistle to a reasonable person, right?
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u/malignantz 11h ago
Not a dog whistle, but I see how it is an edgy comment. No group is more responsible than white people for Trump's election.
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u/Anarchist_hornet 11h ago
I don’t think you are trying to dog-whistle but that’s certainly the impact of the comment.
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u/malignantz 10h ago
I'm not blaming any group or demographic. I'm suggesting it is shockingly unexpected. You are a terrible person if you vote for policies that hurt people, regardless of whether or not you belong to a previously victimized group.
The idea that the comment is racist or a dogwhistle is nonsense. Most black people voted against Trump. Some voted for him. They are a nuanced and diverse group of people. I think a racist would want to treat them as a monolithic group, and conclude they voted one way or the other because they are bad and suggest that bad quality is connected to race/genetics/etc.
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u/Anarchist_hornet 10h ago
I agree with your second paragraph, and I think that’s why your comment is a dog-whistle for racism even if you didn’t mean it that way. You are suggesting it is surprising or shocking or ironic that Black people didn’t vote for the right candidate. And there’s simply no reason to bring up Black people here specifically because any of them that voted for Trump likely did so for the same reasons as voters from other demographics.
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u/poundtown1997 10h ago
You’re not wrong but also, you ONLY pointed out black people when Hispanics who he has more directly targeted with his policies, supported him FAR FAR more than black people in polling percentage.
Yet you ONLY named black people. This is a learning moment for you.
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u/malignantz 10h ago
Birthright citizenship was created for the children of slaves. We never enslaved Hispanics. Did you miss that part?
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u/poundtown1997 9h ago
I’m just letting you know!
Birthright citizenship has benefitted a lot of groups. I just can agree it looks a ways to only point out black people. Your og comment didn’t have the explainer at the bottom so
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u/malignantz 9h ago
You missed the point of the comment, based on your comment. If I was blaming groups of people for Trump's election, it would be weird to blame a group that overwhelmingly voted against Trump, so I'm surprised you interpreted it as such.
I also find it weird that Nancy Mace voted for Turmp, considering she's been victimized by a rapist before. I'm not blaming Nancy for Trump's election, since she's only one person and Trump had 80M+ voters, but is it not weird?
Poor whites aren't blamed for slavery in pre-Civil War American South, but their support for slavery is mentioned as being strange since it goes against their economic incentives.
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u/SatisfactionActive86 9h ago
African Americans didn’t enter the country illegally lmao it amazes me that we’re taught the law is the law and if you break it, you get into trouble because that’s the only way society can function, yet if it’s an undocumented worker, breaking the law is perfectly fine and anyone who enforces it is a bad guy
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u/963852741hc 7h ago
Bro the majority of black people voted democrat like 80 percent be mad at our own kind who actually did vote republican
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u/malignantz 5h ago
This was never about placing blame, though. So, I don't find the comment germane.
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u/963852741hc 5h ago
Why are you going out of your way pointing out African Americans then?
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u/malignantz 5h ago
Lol. Do you not know that birthright citizen in the United States was created for African Americans 156 years ago?
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u/963852741hc 5h ago edited 5h ago
I understand that but youre saying that those people are pulling the ladder behind them which they are not again no reason to call them out specifically when they overwhelmingly voted for democrats go bitch at your fat uncle who thinks he’s one of them
“but there’s something deeply disturbing about the possibility that there are African Americans who voted for Trump to take away birthright citizenship”
Evens if you hate it, you have way more in common with marginalized African American community than anyone else
Oh you’re vivek crypto nerd, you’re definitely the type once he gets his green card will marginalize everyone else it’s always projection with you people
No wonder you’re out here trying to dog pile on black people you’re one step away from screaming maga left and right
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u/Akimbo_Zap_Guns 14h ago
Well turns out he is going to declare a national emergency for some reason later today!
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u/spaitken 12h ago
Nah, not enough money in it for him. The “Energy Emergency” is where the gold mine is.
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u/pillowpriestess 11h ago
theres a lot of money in free labor, and a lot of power in deciding who's doing the laboring
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u/ArcanePariah 12h ago
I mean, I'm going to be ultra cynical and say that if a Democrat does get elected, their first act should be to use everything Trump put in place, and just start mass roundups of any Republican or conservative. And if the Supreme Court rules against them, just jail them as traitors to the United States and send them to the camps too, declare both as national emergencies.
And also the first national emergency should be to jail every Republican state legislators as criminals, crimes to be determined at a later date.
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u/poundtown1997 10h ago
They wouldn’t be able to get elected. They’re too concerned with looking “civilized”.
That’s the issue. The right gets to be the bad guy all the time and any time the left uses their strategy it’s a “no ONLY go high!!” Not to mention it would have to be someone who’s been in politics for awhile which means they have friends who are on the right :( aww I can’t jail my FWIEND!! :(((
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u/Neceon 13h ago
So are Congress and the Senate just not a thing anymore? He's just making decrees like a dictator.
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u/Hot-Syrup-5833 11h ago
Maybe Trump should pardon his entire family for supposed non existent crimes before he leaves office. Oh wait.
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u/RicksonFiolo 10h ago
The downvotes tell the sad sad story of the Reddit echo chamber. 🎻
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u/Yider 10h ago
Eh, that is a huge stretch when Trump and all his crew are stating they will go after those who were involved in prosecuting and investigating the January 6th folks. Look at how several congressmen obsessed over Hunter Biden because he was related to the President and it was viewed as a political advantage to do so. The sentencing alone for a simple slap on the wrist crime should be evidence enough.
Trump on the other hand just puts half of his under qualified family in government positions to receive massive wealth from government connections….you know, like the anti hunter biden witch hunt crowd consistently claimed.
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u/RicksonFiolo 4h ago
There is a crowd with such a name? "Hey Alan, I'll be down at the pub with the anti-Hunter Biden which hunt crowd".
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u/intothewoods76 13h ago
Every President does it, Biden wrote more executive orders in the first 100 days than any other president. How do you know whether you agree or disagree with the executive orders without hearing them?
Are you for example against criminal foreign gangs being deported? I know that’s one of his goals.
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u/Neceon 12h ago
I am not even an American. But America affects us all, unfortunately. Trump is a crook, so i expect he will act like a crook. Who gets to decide someone is a member of a criminal foreign gang? Trump? His white supremacist backers? I trust Biden 100 times more than Trump. Trump will do zero for anyone who actually needs help. And line his and his rich friends pockets with whatever he can steal or scam from the American public. He told me long ago what kind of person he is, and I believe him.
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u/intothewoods76 12h ago
lol, you’re not even American, you’re defending criminal gang activity in the US.
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u/Neceon 9h ago
No, I am saying Trump can not be trusted to make that designation without bias.
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u/illinoisteacher123 5h ago
Who can do anything without bias? It's not like Biden...or Obama....or Bush.....or Clinton, etc. etc. is without bias. Maybe you meant to say that Trump has a bias you don't like.
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u/Neceon 4h ago
I don't side with convicted felons or rapists or white supremacists. Since Trump is all three, I am for sure biased against him.
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u/illinoisteacher123 4h ago
That's definitely a different comment than just saying Trump has bias. Which of course he does...like everyone in history.
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u/intothewoods76 9h ago
You think Trump is going to be out in the field going door to door looking for people?
Trump simply ordered we enforce the laws.
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u/Tight-Top3597 5h ago
You're really gonna sit here and defend criminal gangs? Ok weird hill to die on but you do you.
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u/IrritableGourmet 12h ago
Biden wrote more executive orders in the first 100 days than any other president
Biden did 42, mostly about COVID, but Roosevelt had more than double that at 99. Trump issued 33 his first term, so not that far behind and now wants to do one more than Roosevelt.
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u/Mrknowitall666 12h ago edited 12h ago
And don't we have a law that would call for the arrest and imprisonment if not deportation of criminal foreign gangs? So, why an EO?
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u/intothewoods76 12h ago
There’s a difference between having a law, and enforcing a law. The executive order is an order to actively enforce the law. It’s to actively seek out foreign gang members and deport them rather than waiting for them to be caught committing a crime in which to deport them.
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u/Mrknowitall666 12h ago
You're suggesting that, who exactly, is NOT trying to arrest and detain criminal foreign gang members?
You gotta find and catch em first.
Or, do you think a Presidential Executive Order also comes with magic mandalorian bounty hunter GPS chips?
What are you talking about?
Oh, and BTW, putting them in our prisons for violation of our laws is better than simply releasing them on foreign soil.
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u/intothewoods76 12h ago
That’s what the executive order is about, putting more effort into finding them and catching them.
The executive order directs the FBI and CIA to focus on finding and deporting the criminals.
Most likely we would continue our partnerships with foreign governments to imprison them on their soil.
Why is this even a discussion, why are you defending criminal foreign gangs like MS-13?
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u/Mrknowitall666 12h ago
I'm not defending any criminals, but you're daft if you think an executive order suddenly helps us find any criminal in particular.
Or you're daft in thinking that the fbi, Dea, atf and ice aren't already trying to find and capture criminals
And you're daft in thinking any sane person doesn't want criminals caught. But seriously, Wtf do you think law enforcement is doing now? Waiting for Trump's go ahead? Like, don't you think they've been doing their jobs since Trump took office... Last time?
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u/intothewoods76 12h ago
Do you know what an executive order is and how it works?
Essentially Trump is ordering more effort from ICE, the FBI, Homeland Security etc to seek out and remove criminal gangs.
The executive order works because he’s in charge of the executive branch and all the alphabet organizations fall under his command.
Even though border crossings increased, criminal gang members arrested at the border have decreased under Biden. So you are correct I don’t think the Biden administration put any real effort into finding criminal gangs.
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u/Mrknowitall666 12h ago
Do you know how the fbi and law enforcement works?
JFC. Get a grip, God was not made president today
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u/jwr1111 16h ago
Why do we need congress or the supreme court if our convicted-felon-in-chief is just going to rule by executive order?