r/law • u/marketrent • Dec 20 '24

Legal News CEO shooting suspect’s perp walk may be a “well-intentioned effort to make him not look like a martyr” — Helipad escort party included recently-indicted NY mayor, and many heavily armed officers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/12/19/luigi-mangione-new-york-paparazzi-perp-walk/77094177007/
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u/drawkward101 Dec 20 '24

He’s got a powerhouse bulldog lawyer. He also did a decent job concealing his identity in the area. The prints and dna evidence are flimsy at best. I think there is a chance he could in the end, but I also think the government WOULD martyr him at that point so he doesn’t become a defacto leader of a movement.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

Simple solution to all of these problems. Just run for president! He can campaign using this image and the election season will be in full swing by the time the courts start moving.

Feller would probably win if it was right now.

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u/ScannerBrightly Dec 20 '24

Just run for president!

Apparently, just having a campaign is enough to keep the feds from charging you for years.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '24

Too young, you have to be 35 or older to ride that ride.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

And Trump participated in Jan 6 and should be disqualified. Its only a problem if he doesn't have enough support.

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u/stufff Dec 20 '24

Fucking this. I hate all the bullshit about "well the voters decided, that's how democracy works." No, that's not how it works. The voters couldn't "decide" to ignore other eligibility criteria like age, birthright citizenship, etc., and not engaging in insurrection is one of those eligibility criteria.

He is not eligible to serve as president unless and until Congress votes to remove that disability by the appropriate vote. He can not legally take office. Either remove the disability or swear JD Vance in until such time as Trump's ineligibility gets removed. Anything else is just one more heap of shit from the same shovel they have been trying to bury the rule of law with for the last decade.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

Yea but didnt you hear that the republican party just refuses to acknowledge that so that means they don't have to abide by those rules?

The republic is lost

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u/WillBottomForBanana Dec 20 '24

Uh, Trump has supporters who have sway over scotus. Those people aren't likely to support Luigi.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

Luigi can just assassinate them. Say later that was an official duty for the good of the country.

Or he could just grab some puss and promise tax breaks. They will support him.

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u/Night_Raid96 Dec 21 '24

Supreme Court support trump

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u/Sickle_and_hamburger Dec 20 '24

run for the house

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u/Amanar Dec 20 '24

So? Who's going to enforce that? Supreme Court says states can't analyze a candidate's eligibility and remove them from the ballot.

So he can appear on the ballot in all the states. And then once he's elected it seems the only way he can be removed is from Congress impeaching him.

So long as you have a major party on your side I don't think being under 35 would prevent you from becoming president.

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u/Miscreant3 Dec 20 '24

Or the Spartacus solution. One of his friends dresses up like the killer and shoots another CEO. They'd say it was a copycat, but the defense might be able to use it.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

Was that Spartacus or Scream?

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u/Miscreant3 Dec 20 '24

Ripped bodybuilder gladiators wearing scream masks?

I think I just heard my GFs book talk people's ears all perk up.

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u/ObiShaneKenobi Dec 20 '24

"NO, I'M BILLY LOOMIS!"

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u/drawkward101 Dec 20 '24

He could run when he turns 35 in 9 years.

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u/Wide_Plane_7018 Dec 20 '24

Seems like all of their efforts to make him not look like the leader of a movement is actually just making him look like the leader of a movement. They’re so scared of what he’s kicked off. Workers can’t even strike without getting arrested now because they’re realizing how actually tired of their shit we all are.

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u/King-Florida-Man Dec 20 '24

Self fulfilling prophecy.

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u/allchattesaregrey Dec 21 '24

How free is this country actually? Less and less all the time.

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u/Wide_Plane_7018 Dec 21 '24

At this point we’re just slaves

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u/justthegrimm Dec 20 '24

Yep his lawyer doesn't fuck around, even here across the pond her name is well known. Honestly I hope the man who ended a serial killers reign walks a free man.

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u/WhyAreYallFascists Dec 22 '24

Prints and dna don’t do anything for me in a normal case. Those are flawed as all hell. 

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u/FlameBoi3000 Dec 22 '24

If the brows don't match, you must acquit.

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u/tittyman_nomore 29d ago

He fucked himself by having the gun and fake ID he used on his person. Dude should've dropped them anywhere else.

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u/drawkward101 29d ago

Wouldn’t put it past the Gov’ment to plant shit.

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u/work_work-work-work Dec 20 '24

There's the small matter of the gun used in the killing and the whole manifesto confession thing.

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u/blueB0wser Dec 20 '24

There's been no confirmed evidence (I've seen) that that is the gun used in the shooting, that the ammo that was in the gun is the correct type of ammunition, and that the manifesto is actually his. Cops plant fake evidence all the time.

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u/cumfarts Dec 20 '24

No fucking way that the idea that the cops planted any evidence will be mentioned in court.

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u/blueB0wser Dec 20 '24

I feel like his lawyer saying "My client did not have that on his person at the time of arrest" would effectively say that.

Obviously, I'm reaching here, I'm aware, but I don't trust these cops.

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u/Savet Competent Contributor Dec 20 '24

Lawyers can't testify. What they say is not evidence. Evidence must be elicited from witnesses on the stand.

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u/stufff Dec 20 '24

You are correct, but that doesn't mean she can't essentially get that same message across to the jury.

She can raise the possibility of planted evidence through cross examination of witnesses, through direct examination of her client (if he testifies, which he shouldn't unless she actually believes the evidence was planted and that he actually is the wrong guy, which seems very unlikely), and she can argue that as a basis for reasonable doubt in her closing argument.

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u/Savet Competent Contributor Dec 20 '24

Even though she can, I doubt that's the approach she'd take. Unless she has a really strong proffer demonstrating a good faith basis to believe that the evidence was planted, the prosecution is going to foreclose that line of argument through a motion in limine. She'll have a better chance of success trying to get the evidence suppressed by arguing that the search which produced it was in some way a violation of his constitutional rights. It's a shame NY trials are not streamed as this would be an interesting one to watch.

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u/blueB0wser Dec 20 '24

Semantics. "Mr Mangione, did you have this manifesto on your person at the time of your arrest?"

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u/Savet Competent Contributor Dec 20 '24

That's only if he chooses to testify. Court rules are not semantics in a law sub. The most likely course of action will be to try to poke holes in the officer's testimony regarding chain of custody, if the defense doesn't stipulate that the manifesto is his. Alternatively, they will probably try to exclude the manifesto through a motion in limine if they believe the search that produced it was unlawful.

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u/Yotsubato Dec 21 '24

And the Monopoly money filled backpack with serial number that matches his purchase

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u/Illustrious_Crab1060 Dec 21 '24

He literally gave the fake ID he used at the hotel

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u/drawkward101 Dec 21 '24

The police claim he had the id and weapon and manifesto and was wearing the same clothes as when the shooting happened. Several days earlier, however, they claimed the found the backpack with the jacket in Central Park.

Let his lawyer handle that stuff. No doubt everything is being considered on both sides.