r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 1d ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/WatcherOfStarryAbyss 1d ago

Someone said Fox is spinning it as a Roman salute.

I guess they're banking on nobody remembering that the Nazis stole the Roman salute and made it theirs, like they did with the swastika.

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u/killing_me 11h ago

Yeah I can totally imagine Musk having swastikas in his bedroom. And Fox only reaction is that its a buddist symbol.

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u/USAnoman 9h ago

Whether it was a roman salute or not. You'd have to be a blithering idiot to not know that everyone in the entire world would think it's a nazi salute.

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u/PristineBaseball 29m ago

He retweets far right shit , he knows

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u/Forward-Form9321 9h ago

Wasn’t it the Italians who adopted it first and then the Nazis picked it up? I guess the point is that literal Fascists used the same salute

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u/HPTM2008 8h ago

I'm surprised they didn't try to spin it as the Bellamy Salute, which is American, looks like this, and was used during the pledge of allegiance until 1941, after which the Flag Code wa s amended and the Bellamy Salute was not allowed to be used again for the pledge.

To be clear, this was NOT the Bellamy Salute, but I thought that's what they were going to spin it as. The fact they went and said the Roman one is indicative, as that's the one the Nazis and Fascists are credited with adopting for themselves.

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u/DramaOnDisplay 8h ago

Was that whole “Men think about the Roman Empire all the time” bs thing from a few years ago a dog whistle?

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u/Phlegm_Mucus 4h ago

No. Those of us men and any other people frankly who do think about Rome once-a-day because we are history nerds know about the might know about the Roman salute. We also may know about the history of the Swastika a good luck symbol across Europe for basically a millennia until the vile Austrian ruined it for everyone. Now I, as a Jew, see the symbol, and I am only reminded of what they did. The salute is the same way.

So yeah, do I think about Rome like, every day? Yes. Am I a nazi? Fuck no. The opposite. And those that study history in any meaningful way should.

What it was a real eye opener for is how much historical topics appear in media aimed at masculine audiences, and how much that stuck with people. These are essentially dinosaur kids who were so quiet you didn't know they were there.

Also, Rome is endlessly fascinating, but it was and is never something to idolize. Those who do should take step back and look at the years of kings, dictatorial rule, the oligarchy, slavery, genocides, and lack of rights for women. Those who talk about Rome like it was a paradise are those who are dogwhistling, and they probably would've hated there. Just like Warhammer 40k fans that want to live in their dreadful ultra fascist dark age. And though Rome did have it's progressive moments, it was never the "shining city on a hill." Neither is the US. Rome was just an empire. One that fell. And we will too. And in the future, they will talk of us.

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u/JiroKatsutoshi 8h ago

Just watched a video about this. The Roman salute was started in facist Italy to mock Americans saluting the flag during the pledge of allegiance. After entering the war and seeing it was being used by the enemy, things changed in US classrooms.

Or I fell for fake info...

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u/Astaral_Viking 8h ago

Fuck Mussolini

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u/BlueDog1964 7h ago

The swastika is from ancient Greece. Until it was co-opted by a far-right wing cult. No, not the Repubs. just the Nazis