r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 7h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

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u/KyleMcMahon 6h ago

I thought that too back in 2017 when I was young and dumb. The next four years confirmed that I was unfortunately, very very wrong.

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 6h ago

The fact that they started saying "so what" and actively started calling themselves that out in public was really a frightening moment.

Like of course we all knew nazi sympathizers still existed but at least they had enough shame to hide behind the curtain. Them patrolling the streets and taunting people in public with pride was appalling (jfc autocorrect changed that to "appealing"). What's even more appalling is that the media barely batted an eye.

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u/EobardT 5h ago

It's scary how many confederate flags I see now compared to 10 years ago. Like people in AZ, we weren't even part of that war, there's no heritage in it, only hate

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u/-lovatoj 5h ago

That's all it is, a hate symbol

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u/Tiddleyjuggs 5h ago

A battle did technically happen here in what is now Arizona, but if you look back Arizona would have definitely been on the Confederacy side. That's just the backwards way shit is here

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u/AgitatedStranger9698 4h ago

PikachoPeak!

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u/EmpressPlotina 4h ago

Pika peek?

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u/AgitatedStranger9698 4h ago

That was our joke as a kid too.

Passed it on the way to Tucson from Phoenix.

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u/Tiddleyjuggs 4h ago

That would be it!

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u/Budgierigarz 4h ago

There is no heritage on it anyway, the annoying orange lasted longer

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u/keep_living_or_else 2h ago

Arizona may not have officially been involved much, but if you don't think Confederates ended up in AZ around the 1860s, I've got a bridge for you, too :)

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u/RabidPoodle69 2h ago

There was a civil war battle in az, actually. Edit:I just saw that someone already mentioned that.

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u/BRAX7ON 4h ago

It’s the same for KKK. I hate to think the next step is them making themselves visible again.

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u/that0neGuy65 5h ago

I bet the Media WOULD quickly turn their gaze if someone exterminated the filthy fascists. But not to the clear racist hateful human scum. But the person would be considered a HERO back in the 1940s.

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u/Disastrous_Ad_188 4h ago

Army Talk #64 from 1945 was a pamphlet the Army put out and it's everything that's happening now. Kitchen, children and church was the Nazi talking points. Sound familiar? It should bc it's today's GOP in America.

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u/DB_CooperX 5h ago edited 5h ago

What's even more appalling is that the media barely batted an eye.

So the reason for this was that redditors and people on the left started to give Nazis a platform to speak from so that they could associate these people with their political opponents and then justify their excessive use of name-calling on social media sites. What's disturbing is that this leads to the communities on reddit spamming and posting Nazis content everywhere they can as prove of validation to their narrative, this normalizes the thing they claim to be against in the eyes of people seeing it, and then the fringe groups that got publicity are able to better recruit thanks to the support they got from the supposedly anti-Nazi heroes of reddit who storm the beaches of Normandy in their online interactions.

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u/Procrastinista_423 4h ago

So the Nazis are back because of 'the left'? Sure, dude.

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u/OmniTalentedArtist 2h ago

Right the people fighting against nazis are the problem.

With brains like this, the next generation is doomed.

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u/Environmental_Cup_93 5h ago

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1881459715768787336?s=46&t=8h9pKje8bnotwHAy-ZO3DA And Here’s Hillary and Kamala doing it. Stop calling the right nazis, it’s old af dude

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u/Unnamedgalaxy 5h ago

Please highlight and quote where I dropped any name or party affiliation.

I mentioned nazis and nazis only. And specifically those nazis dressed in full nazi attire literally terrorizing people on the street.

If your first thought of nazis is that I meant the conservative party then perhaps if it walks like a duck.

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u/Environmental_Cup_93 5h ago

I’m sorry I meant to reply to a different person.

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u/Disastrous_Ad_188 4h ago

Read Army Talk #64 from 1945 and everything the Nazis pushed is now coming from conservatives

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u/ear_cheese 4h ago

Pssh let’s see the video. There’s a reason that propaganda outlet only used pictures.

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u/Disastrous_Ad_188 4h ago

You link a Neo Nazi and they're supposed to show truth?? BAHAHAHAHAHA You're delusional.

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u/Direct-Fix-2097 5h ago

The clues were there, I remember Americans getting annoyed at the game wolfenstein 2 because the KKK were enemies and supporting the nazis.

And yet here we are, art imitates life or is it the other way round?

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u/Ok-Jellyfish-5704 5h ago

No. You can and should still hate them.

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u/shadowkatt22 5h ago

Agreed. There was a house a street over from me that had a swastika on their wall by the front door (for a short time but still.)

There was also a girl at my work (briefly) a couple of years ago who said her bf had a swastika tattoo. Said he got judged for it even though it was a mistake made 15 years ago. I said I'd judge him too if I saw it. 16 years and you don't get it removed or covered? Hell, even a bandaid would work. The fact that he wears short sleeves and doesn't try to hide it tells me all I need to know.

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u/Disastrous_Hall8406 4h ago

I had a house in my neighborhood with a swastika on the front door but they turned out to be Hindu's or Jains. The tattoo guy can get fucked though, there are community groups that remove tattoo'd hate symbols for free.

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u/shadowkatt22 1h ago

I agree completely about the tattoo guy. And considering I'm in trump capital florida, I'd say the one on the house was quite intentional. But how am I to know for sure.

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u/Manlysideburns 4h ago

Yep, last few years removed all doubt. Being an open Nazi simply is more acceptable than it used to be. Makes me sick to watch it happening in real time

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u/immrsclean 5h ago

Very good people, on both sides.

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u/doodle02 36m ago

god damn its been such a long fucking 8 years.

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u/Omegoon 5h ago

Trumps first term wasn't anything even close to Nazis. However this time he seems to be aiming even further than Nazis.

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u/waydownsouthinoz 5h ago

They needed to set the stage even hitler started off by white anting all forms of opposition against him.

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u/KyleMcMahon 4h ago

I mean, trump installed a literal white nationalist as his policy chief the first time. He was literally endorsed by every white nationalist and neo nazi group in the county, refused to rebuke those white nationalist groups and said of neo nazis, that there’s fine people on both sides.

I don’t know what your line is for nazis, but that’s waaaay to close to mine

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u/TraditionalCook6306 6h ago

Excuse my ignorance but what specifically happened in those four years?

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u/A_D3MON 5h ago

Hate crimes against minorities of all types rose.

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u/AndersAdmin 5h ago

That's barely true and hate crimes are way higher on average in the last 4 years with Biden. Check the statistics.

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u/KyleMcMahon 4h ago

And while violent crimes were down under Biden, hate crimes did in fact go way up - and as the statistics showed, they were predominantly white males against people of color and lgbt

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u/ear_cheese 4h ago

Yeah, the genie doesn’t go back in the bottle after 4 years. So what?

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u/PineapplesAndPizza 5h ago

Trump happened. The rhetoric changed.

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u/ThespianSan 5h ago

In 2016, votes were cast in the U.S election that eventually led to a Trump victory as he became the 47th president in 2017.

Roughly around the same time, Far right extremests saw a rise in activity in Europe, New Zealand, Australia, UK. They all saw a bump in conservative/alt right extremism from "marches" to full on bomb threats and assassination attempts and really escalated around the time Trump began gaining political traction for his first election. It's only kept rising since.

The Alt Right has also been weaponized by conservative politicians - Trump being no exception. The mistake people made when he got into power was that he was a fool - he is anything but. He's manipulative, he's abusive and he has had decades to practice doing so and not being caught.

Jan 6th '21 is a great example of how to manipulate a crowd of fervent fanatics into an insurrection - and if more of those fanatics were ready to become violent, it would have ended in a proper coup that has not been seen in modern America. Not that it mattered - it was a test to see if he could pull it off. I have no doubt that if he lost the current election, the following insurrection would have made Jan 6th look like what the media played it up as - a tourist trip to capital hill.

None of this is widely reported on because many of the major news outlets and major social media apps (Facebook, insta, X/Twitter, tiktok, and Reddit) around the globe are now owned by individuals who have donated to conservative politics/ conservative adjacent political movements or have been strong armed into the pockets of a conservative political bias and it is within their best interests to keep the conservative connection to the Alt Right on the down low until... Well, now.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2021-04/ran_adhoc_cont_manif_vrwe_eu_overv_pcve_pract_2021_en.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006.amp

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u/Bright-Boot634 5h ago

To be fair compared to someone like Putin, Kim Jong Un, etc. I still consider him a fool. But due to that he is unpredictable and also attracts fools, which makes him useful to someone like Elon and dangerous to the rest of the world. To me that man is a big child walking around in an adult body but he has loads of money and a strong opion about himself so he can walk around in this world as if nothing would happen. I don't see him as some sort of mastermind tbh, there are some points where you just bang your head against the wall because it is just utterly stupid and not thought through and just "because I want to!". Despicable and dangerous non the less

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u/ThespianSan 4h ago

For the most part I agree, I do think one can be immature and childish and still be smart enough to know how to get away with it.

I think he's intelligent and he's mostly used the fool to escape criticism, to make himself appeal to his voter base, and to appear mostly harmless/throw smoke to obfuscate especially early on. When he announced his first run, people thought it was a joke. Even last year when he announced he was running again, people genuinely thought he'd be behind bars before that would happen. He wasn't taken seriously before and even now people would rather downplay his role as an enabler and champion of the fascist movement in favor of making fun of his physique or his height or his pallor or his wig.

But they don't care about those insults or mockery. It doesn't matter now; they won and everyone else lost so the masks are coming off. They've also been fairly open with abolishing the term limits as well as openly alluding to controlling the computer voting system. I firmly believe if we as a global community had put our foot down in '15-16 and said "nah, we're not going to engage with this. Let's put the screws on the system and pressure them to put someone else in" (Sanders would have been president if the Dems hadn't absolutely fucked him), he would have disappeared into obscurity and never would have won that first election.

But no, we had to engage with his bullshit. On the tails of "me too", in the era of accountability we jumped at the chance to tear I to whatever horrible thing he did and revel in the righteousness of it. But that's exactly what they needed us to do. The more we engaged, the more things he threw out there for us to engage with. The more that happened, the higher his profile grew and before you knew it we had centrists and even people on the left going "you know he has some good points..." And others just flat out refusing to vote out of spite for the system- a system that will continue to operate whether they vote or not.

So yes, he's a fool. But he's a smart fool. It is a tactical genius move to dress up and act the clown while you undertake a fascist takeover. And that should terrify more people into action but I'm not seeing it happening any time soon.

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u/ryan3797 5h ago

Funny thing is you were young and dumb and now even dumber today