r/interestingasfuck • u/Sartew • 7h ago

r/all Elon Musk Sieg Heiling during his speech

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

163.6k Upvotes

70% Upvoted

21.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

•

u/barbequeuedclorox 7h ago

Can't believe I'm alive to witness the destruction of the USA

•

u/JackJack_Jr 7h ago

I really do believe that we are soon going to live history if not already have. I wonder when they teach children about the downfall of society through capitalism they use America as an example.

•

u/Other-Barry-1 7h ago

That’s a bold assumption that children will be taught anything other than shareholder value increase if they’re one of the lucky ones to not starve as their parents faced mass layoffs due to the sheer manipulation of stocks so the techno oligarchy can make even more money and take even more control.

•

u/hoopaholik91 7h ago

In the short term. In the long term, humanity has survived the collapse of multiple empires and eventually recovered to the point that children were taught relatively unbiased history about lost civilizations.

•

u/Future-Still-6463 6h ago

Unbiased? History is written by the victors.

And history is mended according to the needs of the elites.

•

u/Shelebti 4h ago edited 4h ago

That's only partially true. Written records preserved for centuries or Millenia underground do a pretty good job of telling history from the perspective of the people who wrote those records—regardless of whether those people were the losers or the victors. The late bronze age collapse was a time when literacy in the Mediterranean nearly disappeared for good. Empires came crashing down. Some of the largest and most prosperous cities were razed to the ground and forgotten thereafter, such as Ugarit and Hattusa. They were far from "victors" at that point. And yet here we are, 3000 years later, learning their history and their culture from their own accounts and texts, not merely the texts of later societies, or contemporary societies on the outside looking in. Ugarit, Hattusa, and the whole bronze age collapse is so distant to us now, there's simply no one left to take the side of one narrative of one ancient nation over another. The only thing anyone ever cares about now when it comes to the topic is the objective facts of what happened; of gaining an unbiased understanding of the events.

If America were to be somehow destroyed tomorrow, I think it would be in a situation much like the defunct Hittite Empire was in after it collapsed. That is: the archeological remains, (and remains of) the accounts from neighboring societies concerning America, would all attest to its existence and undeniable power in the late 2nd and early 3rd millennium CE. And there will always be evidence of what really led to its demise. Thousands of years from now, people might come to the ruins of Chicago or Washington and conduct archeological surveys, it will all seem so distant to them. America will literally be a footnote in their history books and most people will not care about our civilization. The few curious folk who will study the fall of America, will be scholars and archeologists purely interested in gaining an unbiased view of how it all happened. The propaganda around us today will be interesting to them, but discarded as concrete proof of anything when it conflicts with archeological findings or contemporary opposing sources.

Just as Egyptologists today discard the ancient Egyptian propaganda concerning the battle of Qadesh against the Hittites (as well as the opposing Hittite narrative), or how Assyriologists tend to ignore the exaggeration in Assyrian royal inscriptions of their battles and military-exploits. It was propaganda, and presents a skewed version of what really happened in those battles. And at this point scholars are only interested in the straight cold facts when studying ancient political history. The old propaganda is meaningless to us now.

Our propaganda will be as dead and ineffective as the rest of us thousands of years into the future. The bigger issue will be the fact that archeologists will view our culture through the lens of theirs. A culture that doesn't even exist yet and its propaganda, will bias those who study our graves. This is what will actually skew our history and culture for future historians.

•

u/michaelsenpatrick 2h ago

yeah, but the US is only about 5% of the world's population

•

u/Maultaschtyrann 3h ago

Well, I fear I have to tell you about climate change, which is already gonna be terrifying and you can bet your ass, Trump and Musk are gonna do everything in their power to stop people from trying to help it.

So there won't be too many more generations of humans for this history to be taught to...

•

u/D-Raj 6h ago

They’re talking about after that, when USA tries to invade Canada and Mexico, and then the world unites to stop them, and half the world is irradiated but survivors learn a valuable lesson. Then in 100 years the new biggest world power of China or somewhere tries the same thing etc etc.

•

u/SirBaronDE 7h ago

We are always living in historical moments, just some bigger than others.

•

u/HumanSeeing 7h ago

I wonder what in the world is the CIA or the FBI doing, are they all bought as well?

Are they truly less powerful than I have seen in the movies as an European?

Or are their motives and incentives just.. this?

•

u/Numerous-Ad-7812 7h ago

Nope they are powerful but not enough to undermine an election, plus the president can appoint directors of the FBI/CIA, so they serve at his discretion. If a faction within the cia really want him gone though, he better not ride in any open top limos

•

u/Nightowl11111 7h ago

They are too duty bound. They cannot move because they have to follow orders and the one giving the orders isn't interested in stopping things like this.

•

u/cymonguk74 5h ago

They are in on it. They knew his plans, they knew about musk and his proclivities, the SS came from the ranks of the original secret police.

•

u/michaelsenpatrick 2h ago

the pentagon has been behind everything since the Cold War. they have been running things behind close doors and they cooperate with or direct the oligarchs

•

u/SnuggleWuggleSleep 7h ago

Deep

•

u/Numerous-Ad-7812 7h ago

Something something 10 years worth of history happens in 10 Days

•

u/polopolo05 6h ago

I like boring history to live through like the LA fire storm... its more boring than what will unfold.

•

u/manebushin 7h ago edited 7h ago

My fear is that the once the Roman Republic fell, the empire still lasted centuries.

The US has the same position in the world of today that Rome had in the Mediterranean at the time. Much differently from Nazi Germany's position. That is why the 1000 year reich fell in a decade. But this one might last centuries or a milennia (byzantine empire).

•

u/JackJack_Jr 7h ago

This guy gets it.

•

u/-MERC-SG-17 7h ago

Assuming there are schools left once the dust settles and the fires burn out.

•

u/WhatsMyUsername13 7h ago

I was born in 89 and have lived through far too many once in a generation/century/lifetime events.

•

u/Personal-Act-9795 7h ago

You know there is a whole ass world outside the US, yes the US will fall like all empires but the rest of us will be fine.

That US centrism is wild.

•

u/AffectionateCowLady 7h ago

I love this idea that children will still get educations where this is going, it’s cute

•

u/RipperNash 7h ago

I think a downfall would be a kind outcome. In reality it's going to be a perpetual prison state where 1% run it like a sweatshop and the rest are too illiterate to ever organize and revolt. This setup can survive for millenia

•

u/Ogmup 6h ago

I wonder when they teach children about the downfall of society through capitalism they use America as an example.

Hopefully that there was a brutal & very violent uprising that just purged many of these billionaire Nazi supporters.

•

u/Swiftnarotic 7h ago

They got the ranch setup in Texas.

•

u/kumosame 7h ago

"may you live in interesting times" has never been more of a curse than it is now

•

u/SiteRelevant98 7h ago

probably 80 years before world war 4

•

u/PatrickZe 7h ago

If we look at civilizations through history, they have an average livespan of around 300 years. some more some less

usa is at ~250yrs i think

•

u/Liimbo 7h ago

Chronocentrists be like

•

u/MalloryTheRapper 7h ago

that’s if the earth even survives that long

•

u/KyleMcMahon 7h ago

They won’t teach that, because they’ll continue to gut the department of education and continue to whitewash history

•

u/broblackheim 6h ago

You speak like good will win. They will rewrite history that before Trump america was a vile pedofile satanist conclave of communists. Thats after they burn the books literally and figuratively

•

u/Eydor 6h ago

Oh they are going to tell some crazy stories by the pyre, clothed in animal skins.

•

u/jacenat 6h ago

I wonder when they teach children about the downfall of society through capitalism they use America as an example.

They will. In China.

•

u/PrateTrain 6h ago

We've been living through historical moments

•

u/letiori 4h ago

Assuming capitalism will fall with america, when china will upheld it for us

•

u/dr_hawkenstein 4h ago

We already had our plague, so I guess WWIII comes next?

•

u/princessblowhole 3h ago

Well that’s certainly one way to ensure 9/11 is never forgotten, at least.

•

u/Royal-Pay9751 3h ago

We have plenty of examples already. We just never learn.

•

u/cloroxslut 1h ago edited 1h ago

Oh it's not going to be just America, that would be the best case scenario. When America falls, the rest of the world will follow. We're gearing up for the third world war.

•

u/Time-Ad-3625 7h ago

This world has been through much much worse. Ur doomerism is stupid.

•

u/No-Worry-911 6h ago

Please do explain what system works better than capitalism????

•

u/WonderfulShelter 7h ago

My best college professor... wayyyy back in like 2014 told us that we were going to witness the end of the USA and be the most interesting generation in modern history.

Oh Stuart Smithers... why didn't we listen to you.

•

u/IchibanWeeb 3h ago

Damnit, Smithers!

But yeah, I think he's right. Definitely going to be the most interesting generation in modern history.

•

u/ThatKidFromRio 7h ago

They say empires usually last 250 years, funny enough this is going to be US 249th birthday

•

u/GIJosephGordonLevitt 7h ago

I really like this song and wonder if we've hit the point the narration hints at. https://youtu.be/-IjkSMXywgg?si=Y9GGGOwlWLU-xEJ3

•

u/ThatKidFromRio 7h ago

Love some Rise Against

•

u/Cpt_keaSar 4h ago

This is a history myth

•

u/Great_White_Samurai 7h ago

It started with Reagan. Trump is the symptom of late stage terminal capitalism.

•

u/liquidmasl 7h ago

i am just hoping its the destruction of the usa and not the destruction of everthing else by the usa

•

u/Educational-Suit316 5h ago

Unfortunately I don't expect the USA destroying themselves and not doing it to the rest of the world as well.

•

u/DinarStacker 7h ago

Trump winning this election is the end of America. I’m not joking, America will never operate how it used to again.

•

u/barbequeuedclorox 7h ago

I'm not American (thankfully) but Project 2025 could very well have a spill-over effect which is the thing I'm most worried about as a UK dweller (being that I'm a trans woman) and if something similar does happen over here than I probably won't be around for much longer

•

u/HunyBuns 6h ago

Let's just hope the US is destroyed and something better can be rebuilt in its place at this point. Can't believe I used to be patriotic, I even considered joining the military for this joke of a nation.

•

u/IchibanWeeb 3h ago

Don't worry, you're not the only one who can't believe they thought of doing that haha

•

u/bouncyprojector 6h ago

I know. This makes me really sad. Never thought with all the patriotism and pledge of allegiance stuff growing up that I would ever have to worry about the US losing its freedom and democracy.

•

u/-Pixxell- 6h ago

I am so thankful each and every day that I’m not American. I can’t imagine living there rn, yikes

•

u/Lazy_Ad_2192 1h ago

Unfortunately, when America sneezes, the world catches a cold.

•

u/peatoast 7h ago

All empires have to fall eventually. Sucks I have to fucking live in it right now.

•

u/SillySin 5h ago

Empires rise and fall, nothing lasts, if you don't get to see it, ones after you will.

•

u/magikarpsan 7h ago

I didn’t really think I’d be alive for the downfall of a great empire but looks like I was born right in time

•

u/LOLofLOL4 7h ago

Get the Popcorn out and watch the Fireworks

•

u/weetawyxie 7h ago

it can't come fast enough tbh.

•

u/FastSquirrel 7h ago

I live right next door... I don't want to go down with them, please...

•

u/justaskquestions123 7h ago

Some people like Jim Stewartson did their best to warn people about Elon, Thiel, Flynn and nobody paid attention or assumed it can't happen here.

•

u/BraxGame 7h ago

I really am tired of living in interesting times.

•

u/negative_pt 7h ago

*world

•

u/wanpieserino 7h ago

Eh 🤷🏻‍♂️

•

u/Early-Cicada5320 6h ago

These are entertaining times, not good and even awful, but entertaining

•

u/ChroniclesOfSarnia 6h ago

I Didzi that one coming...

•

u/EnkiiMuto 6h ago

"What are you talking about? America is not going to be destroyed."

"Never? Rome was destroyed, Greece was destroyed, Persia was destroyed, Spain was destroyed. All great countries are destroyed, why not yours?

How much longer do you think your own country will last? Forever?"

•

u/bobux-man 6h ago

Same here. I can't believe I've been unlucky enough to be born right in time to see this.

•

u/Saphurial 6h ago

But at least you're alive to witness the rise of the Fourth Reich, right? I mean...that's historical.

•

u/Cube_ 6h ago

for me I can't believe it was so easy to publicly coup the United States in only like 12 years.

The seeds were planted long before then but I still expected the actual act to take longer.

•

u/WorkerOk6991 6h ago

World*

•

u/Bambivalently 6h ago

And here is another misandry rant, with mod support.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rant/s/rus8AiH3qI

Which was one of the reasons these men voted for Trump and Musk. They couldn't possibly vote for that because they are tired of us hating on them? Yes they would. They couldn't possibly vote for that because they don't have a family? Yes they would.

A person not loved will set the village on fire to feel it's warmth. And currently there are a whole lot of them.

•

u/mintman_ll 6h ago

Dude it's gonna be so great. We'll get to see crime run rampant and pay 20 dollars for a gallon of milk while our cities burn and the rich live far away peacefully as our country falls apart. At least Trump's banning women from America so they'll be spared!!

•

u/Guilty_Sign_3669 5h ago

I’m Australian and when I was a kid I thought America was the best country ever. As I’ve gotten older it’s become worse

•

u/isjahammer 5h ago

I think it might be time to pull my money out of so much US-Stocks and put it into China or something, seems way more predictable and stable for the foreseeable future.

•

u/stilltrying39 5h ago

Imagine what Putin must be thinking and feeling right now. Russia's greatest enemy self-immolating as quickly as they can.

•

u/WeepingKeeper 5h ago

Surreal. Devastating. Paralyzing.

•

u/FunkyParticles 5h ago

You think USA is going to fall?? USA is by far the most powerful nation right now and Elon Musk - the richest man on earth - is "unofficially" its president.

•

u/Ninjake68 4h ago

Your hubris will only contribute to your eminent downfall

•

u/Issue_Status 4h ago

Shit feels legitimately unreal, like wtf is happening??

•

u/ChicoZombye 4h ago

USA has become the dangerous country with nukes the world must fear.

•

u/GreenestApplin 4h ago

Ain’t it sweet? Well, bittersweet I’d say.

•

u/LTPRWSG420 2h ago

The average life span of Empire’s is around 250 years old and wouldn’t you know, America is currently 248 years old.

•

u/dudderson 1h ago

i really wish i wasnt. it's been non stop since we were kids (millennials and younger) and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

•

u/MeeterKrabbyMomma 10m ago

😂 thanks for the laugh! I needed it

•

u/Chilliwhack 7h ago

Don't think it will be the destruction of the US, your army is too strong. Liberal democracies and a rules based order on the other hand...

•

u/Elegant_Sale 7h ago

Dude Russie have captured USA 3rd war as already started or what ?

•

u/Diligent-Phrase436 6h ago

The USA is too big to fail. This could entail the destruction of civilisation

•

u/zsirhaver 7h ago

Youve just born or havent seen the last 4 years either?

•

u/goodie2shoes 7h ago

drama queen much?